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Livid 01-02-2015 03:02 AM

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Posted by Common Sense (Post 531937)
I'm a saint and so is everyone in my guild, so I don't really wanna :P.

Guess youll never know for sure, sucks.

Common Sense 01-02-2015 03:05 AM

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Posted by Livid (Post 532002)
Guess youll never know for sure, sucks.

Actually someone showed me it was real. Now I know it's true, AND I get to stay a saint! :D

Livid 01-02-2015 03:15 AM

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Posted by Common Sense (Post 532005)
Actually someone showed me it was real. Now I know it's true, AND I get to stay a saint! :D

I guess you forgot the check that it doesn't happen for most players like me who tested it a while ago, but its good to see you got to keep something that means absolutely nothing to most seeing how it returns inexplicably fast :)

Kendama 01-02-2015 03:31 AM

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Posted by Livid (Post 532007)
I guess you forgot the check that it doesn't happen for most players like me who tested it a while ago, but its good to see you got to keep something that means absolutely nothing to most seeing how it returns inexplicably fast :)

hes a hip graalian, this kid cannot relate to us oldschool folk

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Posted by Kendama (Post 531617)
Furthermore, I played this game before the stupid hat even existed. It's ironic because all you new players come here and think 1k tower hours is all about a hat. I dont give a **** about anybodies hat. We are talking about the tower hours they have earned.

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Posted by Common Sense (Post 531619)
Why else would someone get to 1k hours? :\

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Bryan* 01-02-2015 07:16 PM

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There's players that use arrows in Mod Town (the actual village) that shoot across into the Mod Fort flag area. Can that be tweaked so it doesn't occur? The attachments are the areas that players have been spamming arrows into the fort.

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LwMark 01-02-2015 07:28 PM

Hahah

Common Sense 01-02-2015 07:32 PM

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Posted by Livid (Post 532007)
I guess you forgot the check that it doesn't happen for most players like me who tested it a while ago, but its good to see you got to keep something that means absolutely nothing to most seeing how it returns inexplicably fast :)

Sheesh. I just posted something I discovered and you turn into a jerk. Sorry I didn't test this out on every single graalian there is >_> Damn.
go steal more of Rufus's heads please

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Posted by Kendama (Post 532010)
hes a hip graalian, this kid cannot relate to us oldschool folk

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I'm not new lol. I've been playing since 2009 :\ I was saying the only reason people tower to 1k today and not five to six years ago is for the hat. Maybe if this was 2009, I would be saying something different. But it's not, so please stop trying to twist my words.

Livid 01-02-2015 07:51 PM

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Posted by Common Sense (Post 532182)
Sheesh. I just posted something I discovered and you turn into a jerk. Sorry I didn't test this out on every single graalian there is >_> Damn.
go steal more of Rufus's heads please


I'm not new lol. I've been playing since 2009 :\ I was saying the only reason people tower to 1k today and not five to six years ago is for the hat. Maybe if this was 2009, I would be saying something different. But it's not, so please stop trying to twist my words.

Your name is so invalid. You fail to see my playful attempt at you, no one was insulting you but it seems you lack what your name revolves around, and im pretty sure my heads arent stolen seeing how I have NONE of rufus's heads if youd like to take a peek i'd gladly give you a little picture. Otherwise becareful, your name can trick people.
Also regardless of you being "old" or not, you should have known easily that I was merely answering a question. I'm not going to argue because this thread is used for important or non-important updates.
Moron, ye not cute mate.

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Posted by Kendama (Post 532010)
hes a hip graalian, this kid cannot relate to us oldschool folk

Hahaha.

Common Sense 01-02-2015 08:28 PM

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Posted by Livid (Post 532186)
Your name is so invalid. You fail to see my playful attempt at you, no one was insulting you but it seems you lack what your name revolves around, and im pretty sure my heads arent stolen seeing how I have NONE of rufus's heads if youd like to take a peek i'd gladly give you a little picture. Otherwise becareful, your name can trick people.
Also regardless of you being "old" or not, you should have known easily that I was merely answering a question. I'm not going to argue because this thread is used for important or non-important updates.
Moron, ye not cute mate.

Hmm

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Posted by Livid (Post 532007)
I guess you forgot the check that it doesn't happen for most players like me who tested it a while ago, but its good to see you got to keep something that means absolutely nothing to most seeing how it returns inexplicably fast :)

Just saying, I wasn't trying to keep my kills, I was merely trying to keep my 100 AP, I could care less if I lost a kill.

If that is how you attempt to be "playful" with someone, then you are not very good at doing it. Also I don't see where I said you insulted me. Show me please?

I don't know how my name can trick people...I was just stating my interpretation of your reply to my post. Everybody has a different form of common sense. Sorry if mine isn't like yours. :\
and have some common sense, if my joke of you stealing Rufus's heads wasn't obvious enough, then I don't know what is.

Dusty 01-02-2015 08:36 PM

Guess what this thread isn't for? Posting bugs.

Common Sense 01-02-2015 08:50 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 532193)
Guess what this thread isn't for? Posting bugs.

It actually could've been either one to be honest.

Dusty 01-08-2015 08:31 PM

  • I have currently implemented an experimental fix to deal with lag-blocking in most of the towers. Please let me know if you still notice lag-blockers and the methods you suspect they are using to lag-block. This is currently not implemented on the overworld(such as where the flag is at Swamp).

Livid 01-08-2015 09:04 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 533876)
  • I have currently implemented an experimental fix to deal with lag-blocking in most of the towers. Please let me know if you still notice lag-blockers and the methods you suspect they are using to lag-block. This is currently not implemented on the overworld(such as where the flag is at Swamp).

Are you serious, omfg THANK YOU. For the love of Dusty.

Sardon 01-08-2015 09:12 PM

10 days no news Wut :(

Mizochi 01-08-2015 11:14 PM

If anyone has seen this fix in action I would love to know also by this do you mean you cant normally block doors any more?

LiA 01-09-2015 02:47 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 533876)
  • Please let me know if you still notice lag-blockers and the methods you suspect they are using to lag-block.

When a player uses a pc, they can lag block for an amount of time if they go onto another tab using the same browser.

Ramone 01-09-2015 06:51 PM

So far I haven't seen any changes, but that's just me. Many players at Sardons tower love to be arrowed into the doorway before the flagroom. The player blocking the flagroom sits there while the attacking players get hit by spikes and the defending guild members.

Kosiris 01-09-2015 06:57 PM

By using android devices, you can stand in the middle of a hallway or in front of a door and turn your device off, then your FPS plummets to 0 and your character is frozen and cannot be moved or damaged and other players cannot move through you. I suppose the user should be paused but isn't. This can be done without lag but I'm sure it qualifies as lag block.

Dusty 01-09-2015 07:29 PM

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Posted by Mizochi (Post 533905)
If anyone has seen this fix in action I would love to know also by this do you mean you cant normally block doors any more?

Lag-blocking is not the same as blocking. All players block by default(assuming they can be damaged). Typically players who can't be damaged stop blocking and can be walked through(100ap for example, or being in a no-pk area). Sometimes though players can exploit the way hit detection works, as it's clientside, to block while not being able to take damage. Since in order for you to take damage you have to see yourself getting hit on your screen, players abuse methods to drop their framerate so they lag so bad they can't see anything happen, thus they can't see other players moving/attacking, and therefor can not be hurt.

TL;DR players are dropping their framerate to become invincible, but they still block and therefor can block doors without being able to be damaged.

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Posted by Ramone (Post 534208)
So far I haven't seen any changes, but that's just me. Many players at Sardons tower love to be arrowed into the doorway before the flagroom. The player blocking the flagroom sits there while the attacking players get hit by spikes and the defending guild members.

See response above. We can't just make all players non-blocking as they will just charge through towers and run through players while not fighting. This is simply addressing methods players are abusing to become invincible while still blocking entrances.

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Posted by LiA (Post 534136)
When a player uses a pc, they can lag block for an amount of time if they go onto another tab using the same browser.

Thank you, I'll investigate this method as well.

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Posted by Khaled (Post 534212)
By using android devices, you can stand in the middle of a hallway or in front of a door and turn your device off, then your FPS plummets to 0 and your character is frozen and cannot be moved or damaged and other players cannot move through you. I suppose the user should be paused but isn't. This can be done without lag but I'm sure it qualifies as lag block.

They should be paused like with the iOS client but they are not. However I can not address that, therefor I can only bandaid fix the situation, but this is specifically what my fix addresses.

Right now it should be pausing players who are lag-blocking, but I might tweak it to instead warp them out of the tower and make another small change.

Dusty 01-09-2015 09:14 PM

I have changed it so that instead of pausing lag blockers it will kick them out of the tower.

Livid 01-09-2015 09:29 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 534256)
I have changed it so that instead of pausing lag blockers it will kick them out of the tower.

So if you pause in the tower you get kicked out?

Dusty 01-09-2015 09:35 PM

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Posted by Livid (Post 534264)
So if you pause in the tower you get kicked out?

That was the case but it was an oversight. Paused players are not warped out since they aren't blocking.

Livid 01-09-2015 09:39 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 534267)
That was the case but it was an oversight. Paused players are not warped out since they aren't blocking.

Okay yeah because thatd be terrible.

Kosiris 01-10-2015 04:53 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 534256)
I have changed it so that instead of pausing lag blockers it will kick them out of the tower.

What about people who use any client and move away from their router to cause connection lag then become invincible? Does that apply to this method of lag blocking?

4-Lom 01-10-2015 09:09 AM

What about if there was an area around doors that disabled player blocking at all?
It would harmonize this "lag block" issue, and would cause a change of strategy that may equalize some of the exploitable choke points in certain towers...

Four or five people being able to hold sardon's tower against any number by standing in a doorway and spamming sword, for example? That's not skill.

*awaits negative angry hat chaser responses*

Imprint 01-10-2015 05:07 PM

The tower design is a whole different problem lol.

Dusty 01-10-2015 05:25 PM

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Posted by Khaled (Post 534332)
What about people who use any client and move away from their router to cause connection lag then become invincible? Does that apply to this method of lag blocking?

People who are lagging will also get caught up in the check(my connection is crap and I kept getting caught and kicked by the system when I was trying to test it -_-).

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 534351)
What about if there was an area around doors that disabled player blocking at all?
It would harmonize this "lag block" issue, and would cause a change of strategy that may equalize some of the exploitable choke points in certain towers...

Four or five people being able to hold sardon's tower against any number by standing in a doorway and spamming sword, for example? That's not skill.

*awaits negative angry hat chaser responses*

Even if I were to make it so people can't block the door, people will just block the pathways. The problem is most of the forts just aren't designed all that well, and none really took into consideration exploits guilds tend to use. Sardon's most definitely was not designed with forting in mind at all, since they just took the levels from the old Sardon quest and slapped it in the fort.

This is merely meant to fix a very exploitable bug, not balance out forts--that's a much larger problem.

Kosiris 01-10-2015 06:09 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 534401)
People who are lagging will also get caught up in the check(my connection is crap and I kept getting caught and kicked by the system when I was trying to test it -_-).



Even if I were to make it so people can't block the door, people will just block the pathways. The problem is most of the forts just aren't designed all that well, and none really took into consideration exploits guilds tend to use. Sardon's most definitely was not designed with forting in mind at all, since they just took the levels from the old Sardon quest and slapped it in the fort.

This is merely meant to fix a very exploitable bug, not balance out forts--that's a much larger problem.

Great thanks! There is no reason to ban players for lag blocking now.
Edit: Does this apply to players who are attacking or using a different tag to those people defending the tower? Because some players attempt to use android devices and block Sardon's spike room door to prevent the defenders from reaching halls.

Thallen 01-17-2015 10:52 PM

Yesterday I was getting warped out of the halls doorway in Sardon's for just standing in it (which is something that literally every guild does). I wasn't getting warped to the lobby, but to Sister Gertrude's. Not sure if it's this script behaving funny or just an admin not knowing what they're doing.

Hope you manage to refine this though. I've seen this work a few times, and it seems to take 5-8 seconds to trigger the warp. It might be better to lower that, but I'm sure that causes some annoying side problems. Would be a huge relief if lag blocking and other annoying tower glitches could be resolved through code.

Dusty 01-17-2015 11:24 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 535948)
Yesterday I was getting warped out of the halls doorway in Sardon's for just standing in it (which is something that literally every guild does). I wasn't getting warped to the lobby, but to Sister Gertrude's. Not sure if it's this script behaving funny or just an admin not knowing what they're doing.

Sounds like staff.

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Posted by Thallen (Post 535948)
Hope you manage to refine this though. I've seen this work a few times, and it seems to take 5-8 seconds to trigger the warp. It might be better to lower that, but I'm sure that causes some annoying side problems. Would be a huge relief if lag blocking and other annoying tower glitches could be resolved through code.

The issue with lowering it is that it could get confused when there's bouts of lag or such. I'll look into it and try to find a good sweet spot.

I was hoping that this would have resolved most of the lag blocking issues.

Thallen 01-17-2015 11:50 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 535960)
The issue with lowering it is that it could get confused when there's bouts of lag or such. I'll look into it and try to find a good sweet spot.

I was hoping that this would have resolved most of the lag blocking issues.

yeah, thought so, with the server being as laggy as it becomes on weekends it probably causes some issues
it might not completely eliminate lag blocking, but I think if it was lowered just a bit that it might be so discouraging that the majority of players will not even bother trying to do it

anyway, thanks for finally taking time to at least address it because this problem has sucked for years

Mizochi 01-19-2015 03:08 AM

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Posted by Khaled (Post 534212)
By using android devices, you can stand in the middle of a hallway or in front of a door and turn your device off, then your FPS plummets to 0 and your character is frozen and cannot be moved or damaged and other players cannot move through you. I suppose the user should be paused but isn't. This can be done without lag but I'm sure it qualifies as lag block.

I can also vouch that this issue is apparent. Make it so that opening menus on android pauses

Dusty 01-19-2015 05:09 AM

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Posted by Mizochi (Post 536162)
I can also vouch that this issue is apparent. Make it so that opening menus on android pauses

Once you turn off the screen scripts(and the entire game) stops running, we can't fix that. It's something unixmad would have to fix, so don't get your hopes up.

The fix that I initiated to deal with lag blockers should also kick people who abuse that.

Mizochi 01-19-2015 02:59 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 536183)
Once you turn off the screen scripts(and the entire game) stops running, we can't fix that. It's something unixmad would have to fix, so don't get your hopes up.

The fix that I initiated to deal with lag blockers should also kick people who abuse that.

Yeah the fix does help that issue I just realized that now after trying it out

Sardon 01-19-2015 03:42 PM

can you disconect everyone who afks for more than 10 minutes.
On every device
stop people from afking for so long

Señor Albonio 01-20-2015 03:58 PM

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Posted by Sardon (Post 536242)
can you disconect everyone who afks for more than 10 minutes.
On every device
stop people from afking for so long

Agreed.

Sardon 01-20-2015 04:46 PM

afking is boosting and ive got enough of that

I hate boosting why are people obsessed about getting fake spar ratios and kills they dont deserve

Bryan* 01-20-2015 05:30 PM

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Posted by Sardon (Post 536242)
can you disconect everyone who afks for more than 10 minutes.
On every device
stop people from afking for so long

It does disconnect you if you're AFK. A message pops up and says "you've been disconnected from the server because you didn't move".

Vivid 01-20-2015 06:18 PM

Yeah sometimes it does that sometimes it doesnt. On iEra a old friend moved away but he still plays graal with me. The only thing is, he sucks. Like, really really bad. He boosts everything to make him seem better than he is. He plays on a Samsung Galaxy S4, has almost as many weapons as I do, all the good stuff. He afks 24/7 giving him like, 4k hours now, I have 2k. He started around the beggining of summer. Since he sucks so bad he uses a PBP Auto Rifle in spar. And once tried me to help him boost. When he sprays me down and I still win, I just laugh. :]

Natso 01-20-2015 07:26 PM

I usually get disconnected if I afk for 10 mins , I though everyone did

Dusty 01-20-2015 07:31 PM

It disconnects but the client is made to automatically reconnect so...

Thallen 01-20-2015 09:26 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 536452)
It disconnects but the client is made to automatically reconnect so...

dang
#effective

I really think someone needs to contact them about getting that fixed, because server stability is obviously a real problem. The game isn't even fun once 3600 people are on. If they are too cheap to improve the server itself, at least they can disconnect all of the AFKers.

4-Lom 01-22-2015 10:43 AM

I know its not related to the current string of suggestions about tower stuff... but...

Would it be plausible to make the flavor text of the loot items display if you had zero of the loot item in your inventory? So like, if you sell all your loot to elster, lets say, and have NO loot... then the first one of every kind that you pick up would display the text?

I liked the jokes, tbh, and would like to read them again without putting them in display cases.

Sardon 01-22-2015 02:01 PM

ik a noob who afks 24 hours a day and got 1200 in a few months

Neil 02-01-2015 10:05 AM

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Posted by Sardon (Post 536732)
ik a noob who afks 24 hours a day and got 1200 in a few months


Does anyone remember GØD? The yellow smiley guy from Black and Yellow, who stood next to the old unstuck me point in Graal City, for like more than a year!

Vivid 02-02-2015 03:51 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 536452)
It disconnects but the client is made to automatically reconnect so...

A couple months ago I started afking on a my Samsung tablet while I played on an ipad. I would go to school and afk. One time I was playing on my iPad when my tablet just booted me in the middle of a spar match and I was just like....."Oh."

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Posted by NM (Post 538666)
Does anyone remember GØD? The yellow smiley guy from Black and Yellow, who stood next to the old unstuck me point in Graal City, for like more than a year!

Is that the dude that sits on the bridge and afks with the American flag or is that an NPC?

4-Lom 02-03-2015 06:46 AM

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Posted by Natso (Post 536451)
I usually get disconnected if I afk for 10 mins , I though everyone did

Go for a swim while you afk and you won't have this happen.

LwMark 02-03-2015 07:37 AM

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Posted by Vivid (Post 538949)
A couple months ago I started afking on a my Samsung tablet while I played on an ipad. I would go to school and afk. One time I was playing on my iPad when my tablet just booted me in the middle of a spar match and I was just like....."Oh."



Is that the dude that sits on the bridge and afks with the American flag or is that an NPC?

A guy named shadow stands on the bridge or in water by bridge all the time, the bridge to the left of pyrat

Vivid 02-04-2015 10:39 PM

Oh he must have left. There was a guy when I first started graal my cousin showed me. He stood on the bridge left of the witch you get the Phoenix morph from. He stood exactly in the middle and his status said something about a website.

Dusty 06-27-2015 08:36 PM

You'll now find a slider in your options(for android and iPad users, same as Enlarge Controls) that lets you scale your controls to your preference, rather than having a fixed scale option. It also saves your setting per device.

If you think your device deserves the ability to scale controls, let me know(possibly with screenshots) and I'll look into it.

http://i.imgur.com/1lwhJpN.png


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