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Blueh 01-23-2013 12:39 AM
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Posted by Shock (Post 284552)
Yes, but frankly, a view from the law has no religion tied to it. Even your religion should have no right when talking about legal marriage. They shouldn't have a chance, but a certainty. I'm just fed up with the fact that people in power can't step back from their high religious horse and see that if people want to "sin" it isn't up to the law or our religious brothers to deny rights. If anything, its disrespectful to those who don't believe in that as a sin. There is more to life than religion and I guarantee that a handful of those people are hypocrites, sinning themselves. I'm not saying gay marriage is a sin, just that people view it as such and try to get in the way of people having certain rights. It's wrong.

"A religious man murders another man. He see's another acting gluttonous. The religious man calls for a ban on beef in America."
There's an important part in the Bible I'd like to point out that many Christians haven't really read or taken into consideration. I don't remember the lines or the scripture but what Jesus was saying in this part was to respect the beliefs of others but that all that do not follow him are against him. The way I've come to interpret that is Christians must be mindful of other religions, beliefs and opinions but to stay true to their own. Same should apply to everyone. Doesn't mean you can't give your opinion, just to be mindful of others'.

Aebb* 01-23-2013 12:47 AM
in what point of this thread did gays become about the bible

Kirito 01-23-2013 01:25 AM
No clue

Remorse 01-23-2013 01:35 AM
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Posted by Aebb* (Post 284007)
I bet ur gay
As far as I know I'm pretty straight.
Go troll elsewhere

Kirito 01-23-2013 01:42 AM
lol

Shock 01-23-2013 03:22 AM
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Posted by Aebb* (Post 284578)
in what point of this thread did gays become about the bible
Simple. In my opinion many of the people trying to stop gay marriage are religious and let their personal beliefs get in the way of lawful pursuits. I'm not saying all religious people are against gays, I'm just saying that the people with power are more likely to have moral opinions that are religious in nature and have nothing to do with constitutional rights.

It just seems that many people throw up the moral defense without thinking first about the impact of their actions weighed against their own religious customs.

Yephenpeace 01-23-2013 03:23 AM
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Posted by Aebb* (Post 284578)
in what point of this thread did gays become about the bible
Because it has a lot to do with why most people are against homosexuality.

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Posted by Blueh (Post 284437)

Morally, I am against the idea of homosexuals marrying. I am a Christian, it's what I've been raised to believe and do believe myself so do please respect that. A concern being if they were granted access of marriage is they would not be permitted to marry in most churches. Which is to be expected of course, because for Christians (well in Catholicism at least) marriage is a sacrament. You wouldn't see a Jewish man inside a Hindu temple receiving any of their Sacraments unless they were going through a conversion process. I'm not saying they wouldn't be allowed inside to listen or anything, but unable from participation in any of the rites. They could protest all they want but bottom line is if the beliefs don't match up, they best find another place to get married. I think some courts do some 'legal marriages'.
That's a very interesting point. I personally don't think people should force churches to participate in something they don't believe in. Nor do I see the reason why a homosexual couple would want to get married in a church. I guess if they find a church that's fine with it, why not?

I just don't understand why someone would want to go through a ceremony from a book that is against what they are doing.
Just my opinion though. It's not up to me to decide what other people do!

MattKan 01-23-2013 03:27 AM
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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 284452)
So like I said, God made the Devil. Argument invalid. I could poke so many holes in the bible theory lol.

For instance, are Christians against incest? If so, then why in Noah's arc was everyone except Noah's family and two of every animal killed? Doesn't that mean we are all related and doing the incest when we do the dirties? There is more, but arguing about religion is stupid and redundant imo.
Incest was acceptable in the earlies times. It wasn't until the time of Moses (after Noah) where God decided that there were enough people on earth and that incest should be forbidden. (And incest doesn't include 80th cousins but only somewhat direct family.)

Keep 'em coming, Jester!

(I think Blueh is a bit irrelevant and his response about Judaism. Christianity and Judaism are extremely similar at the fundamentals. Incest was forbidden before the separation of the two religions, anyways.)

Shock 01-23-2013 03:29 AM
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Posted by Yephenpeace (Post 284738)
Because it has a lot to do with why most people are against homosexuality.



That's a very interesting point. I personally don't think people should force churches to participate in something they don't believe in. Nor do I see the reason why a homosexual couple would want to get married in a church. I guess if they find a church that's fine with it, why not?

I just don't understand why someone would want to go through a ceremony from a book that is against what they are doing.
Just my opinion though. It's not up to me to decide what other people do!
I agree. Churches are free to do what they like. There are plenty of places people can rent out. They can also hire a minister, its not a big deal really. If its the law you can go to your Town Hall and get legally married.

Blueh 01-23-2013 03:39 AM
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Posted by MattKan (Post 284743)
Incest was acceptable in the earlies times. It wasn't until the time of Moses (after Noah) where God decided that there were enough people on earth and that incest should be forbidden. (And incest doesn't include 80th cousins but only somewhat direct family.)

Keep 'em coming, Jester!

(I think Blueh is a bit irrelevant and his response about Judaism. Christianity and Judaism are extremely similar at the fundamentals. Incest was forbidden before the separation of the two religions, anyways.)
I was a little hesitant on posting that because I was unsure what to define Noah as. Judaism seemed like the closest. But it wasn't until the time of King David and Solemn was when it was officially established. Either way, Noah is still Old Testament and Torah.

Aebb* 01-23-2013 04:24 AM
No offence Jesus, but NOBODY GIVES A ****

MrSimons 01-23-2013 09:48 PM
http://i.imgur.com/7sCKImQ.jpg

Tyler 01-23-2013 10:13 PM
These kind of threads get out of hand fast.

Jester Lapse 01-23-2013 10:21 PM
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Posted by MattKan (Post 284743)
Incest was acceptable in the earlies times. It wasn't until the time of Moses (after Noah) where God decided that there were enough people on earth and that incest should be forbidden. (And incest doesn't include 80th cousins but only somewhat direct family.)

Keep 'em coming, Jester!

(I think Blueh is a bit irrelevant and his response about Judaism. Christianity and Judaism are extremely similar at the fundamentals. Incest was forbidden before the separation of the two religions, anyways.)
That is gross. So some unknown entity tells us when we can and cannot have sexual relations with our mothers and sisters?

Blueh 01-23-2013 10:38 PM
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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 285372)
That is gross. So some unknown entity tells us when we can and cannot have sexual relations with our mothers and sisters?
They were allowed at that time because there were hardly any on Earth due to the flood. When civilization started to rebuild and the population became greater it became outlawed. It isn't exactly like "You can have intercourse with one another whenever I say you can or can't." More of a "Alright look. Normally, this would be forbidden but only because you need to survive as a species you may have relations with one another. Once civilization has rebegun, you will no longer be allowed to have relations with your close relatives."

Edit: Can we all stay on thread subject please? We can have a discussion like this somewhere else.


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