Posted by Thallen (Post 297813)

I am a little shocked that a few of you continue to claim that I am not responding to points in this thread when I've probably pounded out 300,000 keystrokes that continue to be disregarded and ignored. So, I'll summarize the argument in some Q&A format.
THE ONLY POINT YOURE ARGUING IS THE DEFINITION OF FAIRNESS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL ARGUMENT



Person: PC players have an advantage in spars!
Thallen: I won't ask you to prove your point because I agree with the opinion. It is also my opinion that it is easier to spar on PC than on an iDevice.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ARGUMENT YOU DUMB ASS “ADVANTAGE”
ADVANTAGE AND EASIER IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU FEEL BOTH OF THEM FAVOR THE PC

Person: It is not fair that PC players get to spar against iDevice users!
Thallen: Yes it is, because the fairness equation is there. You have the option of choosing your device, and so do I. You choose to use iDevice, and I choose to use PC.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL ARGUMENT OF PC S HAVING THE ADVANTAGE REGARDING THE ACTUAL SPAR


Person: PC players' movement speed is inherently faster than iDevice players!
Thallen: No, it is not. This is not a fact, so please stop saying it. There is a cap on your speed for both devices. If you move slower than the cap, it is because your PC or iDevice has horrible specs, and that'd be your own fault.
SO IF THIS IS THE CASE WHY DID YOU HAVE TO RUN “SEVERAL” TEST ON THE UN SPARERS?
“ If you move slower than the cap, it is because your PC or iDevice has horrible specs, and that'd be your own fault.”
SINCE YOU USE “ETHERNET” WHY WOULD YOU TEST THEM MORE THAN ONCE.


Person: PC players walk through hits!
Thallen: You simply do not understand mechanics that you must deal with when sparring, such as horrible lag and delay. It'd also help if you understood the difference between clientside and serverside hit detection. iDevice users seem to make up the majority of the lagger community, by the way. I'm using ethernet while you're using 3G or spotty WiFi.
IVE SPARED GUYS ON PC THAT WE TRAP 3 VS 1 HIT HIM MULTIPLE TIMES AND THEY MANAGE TO ESCAPE WITHOUT ANY DAMAGE. WHY WOULD IT BE DIFFERENT? SHOULDN’T EVERYONE BE ON THE SAME HIT DETECTION?

Person: PC players can hack easier!
Thallen: Both devices are vulnerable in this way. If your opinion is that it is easier to hack on PC than on iDevice, then I agree. Nonetheless, the possibility exists for both. In the sparring community today, I've only ever suspected two or three people of hacking in spars. I think that they use speed, but it has never bothered me because they are not good enough or active enough to make an impact. I don't exactly feel threatened by a 3% increase in speed. If you want to help prevent this problem, please plead with iClassic administrators to make better detection. I'd love to see it as well. It is not logical to criminalize an entire platform of players because you saw someone speed hacking in a spar one day.
ANOTHER ONE FOR IDEVICE SIDE

Person: HundredsTHOUSANDS of people use the iDevice while only a few use the PC! This is unfair!
Thallen: No, it isn't. Both have the option of using PC.
AGAIN I REPEAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL ARGUMENT. ORIGINAL ARGUMENT WAS THAT PC S HAD THE ADVANTAGE OVER THE IDEVICES AND YOU CLEARLY STATED THAT YOU AGREED

Person: I use iDevice because I want it to spar fairly against other players!
Thallen: Please realize that you are making up your own set of rules for the game. That is what losers do. Please think like a winner. Once again, the game gives you a choice. You cannot dictate what I choose, and I cannot dictate what you choose.
AGAIN WHAT IS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ARGUMENT? THAT PROBLEM HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF WITH THE SEPERATION OF THE SPAR ROOMS. NOBODY IS TELLING YOU WHAT TO PLAY ON AND IF WE STAND HERE ARGUING IS BECAUSE YOURE THE ONE THAT STARTED THE WHOLE DAMN ARGUMENT. MY OPINION IS THAT PC S HAVE THE ADVANTAGE SO THAT’S WHY I SAID I WISHED SOME OF THE PC RS WOULD COME ON A IDEVICE TO SEE HOW GOOD THEY REALLY WERE. FOR SOME REASON YOU FELT THE NEED TO QUOTE ME AND FLIP IT AROUND. I TOOK IT AS A CHALLENGE AND CHALLENGED YOU TO A PC VS PC SAPR. INSTEAD OF JUST SPARING YOU GO OFF ON IDEVICE VS PC CRAP AND STARTED THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT


Person: The fact that there is an iDevice room proves that it is unfair!
Thallen: No, it does not. It only proves that there are stubborn players who have complained to the point where iClassic administrators have found it beneficial to create a room just for that group of players.
“ If you move slower than the cap, it is because your PC or iDevice has horrible specs, and that'd be your own fault.”
THE ONLY MAJOR OPTION YOU HAVE WITH THE IDEVICE IS HAVING THE NEWEST DEVICE. I DOUBT THERES MANY WAYS TO IMPROVE YOUR DEVICE SPEED. THE PC HAS MANY VARIABLES THAT CAN MAKE IT FASTER. THAT WAS JUST USED BY SOMEONE THAT WAS TRYING TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR POINTLESS COUNTER ARGUMENTS.

Person: I don't have a PC!
Thallen: I'm sorry, but that is not my fault at all and I won't allow it to change how I play the game.
GOOD FOR YOU TO BAD WE ARE NOT ARGUING FAIRNESS
Person: iClassic is for iDevice users!
Thallen: No, it isn't. The game allows you to play by Facebook. You cannot make up rules for the game. The game makes the rules.
WHAT?



Person: How come you won't spar me on an iDevice?
Thallen: Again, because the game gives you a choice. Let us assume that I did spar you on an iDevice and you beat me. What was proven? Well, you've proven that you were better than me in a spar on the iDevice platform. You haven't proven that you are a better sparrer or a more "fair" sparrer. If you want to prove yourself as the better sparrer, you will go on the device you play the best on and I will do the exact same. Why are you the only side that gets a choice in this argument?
1.OK YOU SPAR ON IDEVICE AND I SPAR ON PC. YOU PREFER PC I PREFER IDEVICE LETS SWITCH AND WE MAKE IT EVEN. 2.MAYBE DEEP DOWN INSIDE YOU KNOW THAT YOUR PC GIVES YOU THE ADVANTAGE BECAUSE YOU USE YOUR FANCY “ETHERNET” AND ARE TO SCARED FOR PEOPLE TO REALIZE YOURE INDEED A CRAPPY SPARER. I REPEAT SOMEONE TOLD ME TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR 4K-2K IDEVICE ACCOUNT. IT MUST BE TRUE BECAUSE ITS HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW CAN SOMEONE ARGUE WITHOUT EVER USING AN IDEVICE TO PLAY GRAAL.

Person: The only reason you're better than me is because you're using a PC!
Thallen: Well, that's false. At this point, you're just making excuses because you're unable to accept your own failures. If it was true, why not use a PC?
YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE IT AND REFUSED IT



Have I missed anything? Does anyone have any new breakthrough that they'd care to share? All that I'm doing is repeating the same exact things that I've said time and time again. You guys have introduced nothing new to the argument in the past five pages. Ask me a question, any question regarding your inability to accept the "fairness" of sparring on iClassic and I promise that I will answer it. I bet I can even quote something I've said in one of my former posts that have already answered it.
THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FAIRNESS THE POINT WAS THE ADVANTAGE AND LIKE I SAID YOU CLEARLY AGREE SO WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO CHANGE THE ARGUMENT AFTER BEING BEATEN? IF YOUR THAT DESPERATE TO REDEEM YOURSELF GO OPEN A THREAD ABOUT PC FAIRNESS.
BUT SINCE IM SUCH A NICE GUY IM A GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO ARGUE FAIRNESS.
IS IT “FAIR” TO SAY YOU HAVE BEEN BEATEN ON THE ARGUMENT THAT PC S HAVE AN “ADVANTAGE OVER IDEVICES?”
YOU HAVE BEEN BROUGHTEN DOWN TO THE IDIOT LEVEL AND BEATEN SENSELESS SO NOW DO ME A FAVOR, PUT YOUR PRIDE/EGO TO THE SIDE AND REALIZE YOU HAVE LOST. SAFE YOURSELF THE AGONY OF READING THESE CRUSHING POSTS.
IN THE WORDS OF YOUR MAJESTY THALLEN WHY ARE YOU EVEN IN THIS DEBATE YOU SHOULD LEAVE IT TO SOME DESCENT PC SPARERS LIKE TALLBOURN, DANTE, ZEROSS, AND DAVID THE NO BALLS. THE PC COMMUNITY MUST FEEL EMBARRASSED THAT YOU ARE THE ONE REPRESENTING THE PC COMMUNITY .
I LOVE GOING IN CIRCLES SO WE CAN GO AS LONG AS YOU WANT.
STUPID IDIOT KIDS- 1 SMART OLD DUDE- 0

Posted by Thallen (Post 297969)

[B]I'll stop giving you attention for now, as it's clearly what you're starving for. [/B}You're a very embarrassing person. I'm really not trying to insult you or personalize this, only giving you an explanation as to why I won't even do as much as acknowledge your posts in this thread any longer. I'm pretty confident that every level-headed person reading this thread will probably agree on that if they just take a quick glimpse at your last few posts. Losing an argument as someone like you is impossible, because you lack what is required to come to that realization.

Posted by Xavier (Post 297212)

I'm not reading 7 pages of this thread, so here's really the only differences from a non-bias point of view:

PC:

- Can wall run.
- Can quickly switch direction since the user does not have to slide their thumb from one "button" to another.

iDevice: More stable client.

/end of thread

Please???

Posted by Xavier (Post 297212)

I'm not reading 7 pages of this thread, so here's really the only differences from a non-bias point of view:

PC:

- Can wall run.
- Can quickly switch direction since the user does not have to slide their thumb from one "button" to another.

iDevice: More stable client.

/end of thread

Please???

Posted by Xavier (Post 297981)

Everyone managed to not see my post that actually had to do with the thread's title. I am sad now. </3

Did you still not notice it? Okay. Here. :)

Posted by Xavier (Post 297981)

(Edit):
Conclusion:

PC = Better. Either switch to it or stop complaining. Nobody cares.

Posted by Yephenpeace (Post 297987)

Aren't there device specific rooms now?
If you think that one has an advantage over the other, don't spar people who use it. It's literally as simple as that.

Posted by Winter (Post 297978)

All of GOAT's above responses infringe upon another question Thallen already answered in his post. "Speeding up PC, but not possible on iPhone?" Remember, he already correctly stated that there is a cap on all speed, so that is not an issue. Both are exactly the same 100% of the time. Fairness is exactly what this thread is about.... I don't understand why you seem to think it isn't if you've been trying to prove that it is unfair this entire time. "Switch and make it even?" Yeah, you contradicted yourself 4-5 times in your post, and I didn't even read the entire thing.
1.if theres a cap why did he test people more than once (only reason would be because they saw them moving faster)
2.maybe not everyone can reach the so called speed cap
3.quote my contradictions pls
4.my argument is that pcs are faster/stronger than devices why would I argue about fairness when I have my room and you have yours.
5.you give advice and then you do the opposite
Its ok to be loyal and back up your fellow guild members ;)
Also, I completely lost it when GOAT said, "SHOULDN’T EVERYONE BE ON THE SAME HIT DETECTION?" Hahah, they are! You can actually train your brain to believe something that isn't true, and I believe you are becoming an expert of self-deceit.