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Talon 04-29-2014 04:29 AM

I love MonoType Steel teams and Flying teams. So many ways to alleviate their weaknesses. Same goes for Electric.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-114818580

Also this guy was REALLY mad lmfao. Pause or skip to Turn 17.

Vladamir Blackthorne 04-29-2014 09:41 PM

Should I have Calm Mind on my Delphox or free up some room for more variety in offensive options with an assault vest?

Tyler 04-29-2014 10:08 PM

...

Why can Rotom Wash learn rest? I used Grass Knot on him several times and he finally got down to his yellow health and then he used rest while I was burning from his Willow Wisp. Please tell me how to kill that bastard. I heard Excadrill can take him on, but one of his weaknesses is water and Hydro Pump would probably wipe him out with his low Def. and Special Def. unless I used Focus Sash. It's so frustrating when he causes my entire team to perish.

EDIT: Then again... Since he weighs so little grass knot really does probably do **** against him.

Talon 04-30-2014 06:40 AM

Never Grass Knot Rotom-W. GK's damage is based on weight, and Rotom-W is an insanely light Pokemon. If you want to take it down, Mold Breaker Excadrill is your best bet. You can tack on Assault Vest for a lot more special bulk if you invest 252 into SpD, it will be able to tank Hydro Pumps easily.

4 SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump vs. 192 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Excadrill: 170-204 (41.5 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Also, Gastrodon and Stockpile Quagsire are textbook counters to Rotom-W. Gastrodon is immune to both of Rotom's attacks, and can set up freely. Mega Heracross and Breloom secure OHKOs easily with Bullet Seed, and setting up DD and EQing with Mega Gyarados will take care of it in a pinch. Gliscor can stall Hydro Pump with its standard SubProtect rotation until it misses, Toxic it, and continue the stall until it dies. Toxicroak can set up a Substitute on the turn that Rotom should Will-o-Wisp, Swords Dance, and KO it with Drain Punch with a healthy Sub for another turn. Mega Charizard Y sets up Sun, lowering the damage of its Hydro Pump, and can KO back with Sun-powered Solarbeam. Mega Charizard X can M.Evolve, tank the HPump or Volt Switch, DD up, and sweep. Guts Conkeldurr (esp. with Assault Vest) doesn't give a damn about anything Rotom can do to it, since it tanks all attacks with AV and gets power boost off Will-o-Wisp.

His moves are also REALLY predictable (if you have a Water type, he'll VSwitch - swap to a Ground type. If you have a Ground/Rock/Fire, swap to a Water resist or something with Water Absorb. If you have a physical attacker, he'll Will-O-Wisp - swap to a Fire type. Keep doing this until you get a SAFE switch into a desirable matchup, like your Exca vs. the Rotom).

Rotom-W is a little **** that has had some huge impacts on the meta (for example, the main reason Gastrodon was brought to the limelight of OU was the fact that it hard-countered Rotom to every extent).

Or, just swap in any Grass type faster than it.

Tyler 04-30-2014 01:29 PM

Quote:

Posted by Talon (Post 471155)
Never Grass Knot Rotom-W. GK's damage is based on weight, and Rotom-W is an insanely light Pokemon. If you want to take it down, Mold Breaker Excadrill is your best bet. You can tack on Assault Vest for a lot more special bulk if you invest 252 into SpD, it will be able to tank Hydro Pumps easily.

4 SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump vs. 192 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Excadrill: 170-204 (41.5 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Also, Gastrodon and Stockpile Quagsire are textbook counters to Rotom-W. Gastrodon is immune to both of Rotom's attacks, and can set up freely. Mega Heracross and Breloom secure OHKOs easily with Bullet Seed, and setting up DD and EQing with Mega Gyarados will take care of it in a pinch. Gliscor can stall Hydro Pump with its standard SubProtect rotation until it misses, Toxic it, and continue the stall until it dies. Toxicroak can set up a Substitute on the turn that Rotom should Will-o-Wisp, Swords Dance, and KO it with Drain Punch with a healthy Sub for another turn. Mega Charizard Y sets up Sun, lowering the damage of its Hydro Pump, and can KO back with Sun-powered Solarbeam. Mega Charizard X can M.Evolve, tank the HPump or Volt Switch, DD up, and sweep. Guts Conkeldurr (esp. with Assault Vest) doesn't give a damn about anything Rotom can do to it, since it tanks all attacks with AV and gets power boost off Will-o-Wisp.

His moves are also REALLY predictable (if you have a Water type, he'll VSwitch - swap to a Ground type. If you have a Ground/Rock/Fire, swap to a Water resist or something with Water Absorb. If you have a physical attacker, he'll Will-O-Wisp - swap to a Fire type. Keep doing this until you get a SAFE switch into a desirable matchup, like your Exca vs. the Rotom).

Rotom-W is a little **** that has had some huge impacts on the meta (for example, the main reason Gastrodon was brought to the limelight of OU was the fact that it hard-countered Rotom to every extent).

Or, just swap in any Grass type faster than it.

Oh cool. There's way more available option than I thought. Thanks! Now I can counter that annoying f'er. Is Porygon2 good? His stats seem like he'd make a pretty good addition to the team. Also, that ability Analytic looks like it would be deadly since he has such low speed. Do you think Download or Analytic would be a better ability for him?

Damn, another idea shot down. It was only available in Black/White Dream World.

CM 04-30-2014 01:44 PM

I love Rotom-W. With insane special stats and defense, this guy is the perfect wall. With his only weakness being the uncommon grass type (not including Mold Breaker EQ's) this guy is always seen on OU teams. With already good enough SP D, Will O Wisp helps this guy out a lot more by crippling physical attackers. He is also a good Trick+Choice Scarf user.

He is, however, is countered by a Mold Breaker Mega Gyrados with Earthquake, and is also countered by Excadrill as well. If you are using one of these two Pokemon against Rotom W, it would be best to attack straight away before it can manage to burn you.

Infernus Lapse 04-30-2014 02:54 PM

Me when I march into random match and get a heavy metal aggron with heavy slam


Talon 04-30-2014 04:00 PM

Quote:

Posted by Tyler (Post 471191)
Oh cool. There's way more available option than I thought. Thanks! Now I can counter that annoying f'er. Is Porygon2 good? His stats seem like he'd make a pretty good addition to the team. Also, that ability Analytic looks like it would be deadly since he has such low speed. Do you think Download or Analytic would be a better ability for him?

Damn, another idea shot down. It was only available in Black/White Dream World.

Porygon2 is actually a pretty good tank if you slap Eviolite on him. Only weak to Fighting and has insane bulk as well as reliable recovery with Recover. Trace is usually preferred so you can trace really useful abilities like Intimidate, Water Absorb, or even Shadow Tag.

Here's Smogon's BW set analysis:


Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Ability: Trace
Bold / Calm Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SpD
~ Ice Beam
~ Discharge / Thunderbolt
~ Toxic / Thunder Wave
~ Recover

This set takes Porygon2's immense bulk and makes it even more extreme. The goal of this variant of Porygon2 is to force switches and spread status by walling a wide variety of Pokemon. Its uninvested Special Attack stat and BoltBeam coverage are decent enough to maintain an offensive presence as well. Trace might sound like a stupid matrix operation, but it bolsters Porygon2's defensive capabilities by allowing it to "borrow" some great abilities from unsuspecting foes. Trace Magic Bounce to inflict Xatu with its own Toxic, or use Rhyperior's Solid Rock to sponge the attacks of its Fighting-type buddies more easily. Use Shaymin's Natural Cure to fix that time you switched into Toxic, or switch into the powerful Fire-type STABs of Chandelure, Houndoom, and Arcanine by copying their Flash Fire.

Talon 05-01-2014 03:58 AM

God, I am really loving Rain teams this gen.

ty based quagsire http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-115316171

rain offense is nice too http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-115331007

Tyler 05-01-2014 09:48 PM

Quote:

Posted by Talon (Post 471212)
Porygon2 is actually a pretty good tank if you slap Eviolite on him. Only weak to Fighting and has insane bulk as well as reliable recovery with Recover. Trace is usually preferred so you can trace really useful abilities like Intimidate, Water Absorb, or even Shadow Tag.

Here's Smogon's BW set analysis:


Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Ability: Trace
Bold / Calm Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SpD
~ Ice Beam
~ Discharge / Thunderbolt
~ Toxic / Thunder Wave
~ Recover

This set takes Porygon2's immense bulk and makes it even more extreme. The goal of this variant of Porygon2 is to force switches and spread status by walling a wide variety of Pokemon. Its uninvested Special Attack stat and BoltBeam coverage are decent enough to maintain an offensive presence as well. Trace might sound like a stupid matrix operation, but it bolsters Porygon2's defensive capabilities by allowing it to "borrow" some great abilities from unsuspecting foes. Trace Magic Bounce to inflict Xatu with its own Toxic, or use Rhyperior's Solid Rock to sponge the attacks of its Fighting-type buddies more easily. Use Shaymin's Natural Cure to fix that time you switched into Toxic, or switch into the powerful Fire-type STABs of Chandelure, Houndoom, and Arcanine by copying their Flash Fire.

That does sound pretty useful. I always thought trace just detected what ability the opposing Pokemon had. I managed to get my hands on a Modest Porygon with 5IVs (-ATK) and has Analyse. I'm going to try Smogon's other suggestion of Duck Tank first before I attempt the Trace suggestion. Question about download though. Does it get a stat increase for every Pokemon switched out, or just the first?

EDIT: Ah that was cool. I just watched a video where Porygon2 copied Gliscor's poison heal. Now I'm very comflicted. I also heard it can copy parental bond. Grr, I don't know what to do. It's a very tough decision for me.

Deadrath21 05-02-2014 12:25 AM

Kyogre
Item: I use weakness policy. Could also give it damp stone
Move: Aqua tail
Thunder
Icebeam/Muddywater/ Hidden power fire
Earthquake
252 HP
4 ATK
252 SP.A
Mild (+Sp.A -Def)
Because of Kyogres abillity, and thunder cant miss in rain, Its a powerful pokemon, and can knock most tanks out. When hit by a weakness. Weakness policy adds 1.5X damage to attack and SP.A making it more of a threat. although the base Def stat gets low, it has a good Sp.D.
Any suggestions to make Kyogre better?

Sariss 05-02-2014 01:04 AM

Water spout?

CM 05-02-2014 01:19 AM

Quote:

Posted by Deadrath21 (Post 471480)
Kyogre
Item: I use weakness policy. Could also give it damp stone
Move: Aqua tail
Thunder
Icebeam/Muddywater/ Hidden power fire
Earthquake
252 HP
4 ATK
252 SP.A
Mild (+Sp.A -Def)
Because of Kyogres abillity, and thunder cant miss in rain, Its a powerful pokemon, and can knock most tanks out. When hit by a weakness. Weakness policy adds 1.5X damage to attack and SP.A making it more of a threat. although the base Def stat gets low, it has a good Sp.D.
Any suggestions to make Kyogre better?

Damp rock is completely useless as it only affects rain that is started by a Pokemon move. Choice Specs would probably be better. Also, special attack based Kyogre is probably better.

This set would probably work better:

Item: Choice Specs
Moves:
Water Spout
Thunder
Ice Beam
Surf
252 SP ATTACK / 252 SPEED / 4 HP
Nature: Timid (+ Speed, - Attack)

HON3Y BADG3R 05-02-2014 02:17 AM

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Talon 05-02-2014 02:23 AM

Quote:

Posted by Deadrath21 (Post 471480)
Kyogre
Item: I use weakness policy. Could also give it damp stone
Move: Aqua tail
Thunder
Icebeam/Muddywater/ Hidden power fire
Earthquake
252 HP
4 ATK
252 SP.A
Mild (+Sp.A -Def)
Because of Kyogres abillity, and thunder cant miss in rain, Its a powerful pokemon, and can knock most tanks out. When hit by a weakness. Weakness policy adds 1.5X damage to attack and SP.A making it more of a threat. although the base Def stat gets low, it has a good Sp.D.
Any suggestions to make Kyogre better?

>hp fire
>earthquake
>aqua tail

dude what kind of set are you even running


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