But any gun can take on any gun because you have to have skill to use it tho. And even tho you could beat a rail with a beamer why use the beamer? And there isnt a single shooting game that doesnt have a low and high tier of guns, itd be pointless to keep making more if theyre all the same. The game is made for this style so you can choose a gun that fits your playstyle, like compare the heartbreaker and rail gun, RG is stronger but HB can hang with it due to it being much faster yet weaker, so you have the choice with speed or power. Also, i had planned to make thing more diverse with the new shops i had planned but sadly i didnt get the chance to do so.

@cecily, idk what you mean, anything gatling gun like are the chainguns but theyre weak with high rof

Tier weapons are mostly the guns power level.
Higher the price, the better it is.
it's going to beat a gun over all because of it's stats..

Auction guns are rare.
So they are tier 3+

You changed stats of guns already fine to benefit yourself and friends,
Would be my statement if I was really to throw a clash.


2 equal players.
One with Gp assault rifle.
Another with ap rippers.


Both guns are really good but only 1 can win.

Winner is Ap rippers because of the following reasons
-Bullet Effect(small little effect behind the bullet.)
-Damage

Simple because that can throw anyone.

That's Like saying iEra Ghost M4 vs Starter Gun.
You can really lame that starter gun without even trying.
9 damage with a low freeze rate vs 4 damage and medium freeze rate.
Already the challenge doesn't look good unless you pull a baby ghost with that starter gun or a meph.


Broken Logic.

Classic's beauty is everyone starts out equally. With guns, that's obviously implausible. However, they can all be close to each other power-wise. They used to be all competitive. In fact, guns only got screwed over when one of two things happened. 1. When the AP rippers were changed to spam the **** out of anyone, and #2 which resulted because the AP rippers were pointlessly changed 2. Hiring a Guns Admin. People were complaining nonstop about the rippers being OP, and Tash took that as "We need a GA" when in fact we did not. All that needed changed was the rippers speed back to what it originally was, and instead we got a GA which caused every gun stat to change, and led to the unbalanced crap we've been dealing with for a while.

Every gun almost has the same Rate of fire >.>

John, that was all complete bs. How are you gonna accuse me of changing guns for my friends, don't be a prick and start spreading rumors. Also, you don't know crap about guns thinking that the bullet trail on the rippers actually does something, the rippers at most are designed to have a slight advantage over the gp only due to dmg, they have the same rof set, so please get your facts straight before you start spewing out bullcrap. Then trying to compare this to era is stupid due to their guns are designed to destroy lower guns while ours are made to have an advantage. You clearly know nothing about guns so please just shut up attacking everything im saying.

And @pig, yeah idk why all this happened, at first all the rippers needed was a slight nerf, in response the admins made them super spammy, then ghetto got hired and things just went on from there until it got changed so much when i got hired i had to work with what was there and try to make the best of it, sadly i didnt get to finish and idk whats gonna happen from here on, and with zp being in charge of the guns its not looking good. Theyre not that bad right now, every gun can be checked still so nothings op but it can be better.

That's not at all what I meant. I was saying back then, even the er beamer actually could compete with other guns. There was no real go-to gun. Ever since guns started being messed with, rippers became the go-to gun, and then it turned to rail & alien. The lower-priced weapons for beginners aren't even worth buying because having the metallic rifle is hardly any better than just sticking with the er beamer. You need one of the newer guns to actually compete now. That's what I mean by unbalanced.

And thank you for not misunderstanding what I said and thinking it was towards you, because it wasn't. I pretty much stopped playing in general except for standing in trades by the time you became GA so I don't know what the gun stats are now. I just know the stats were pretty much great besides rippers, then Tash hired the GA & every gun was touched when it shouldn't have been.

I'm not attacking you so please feel free to be stupid on your own time.
Also read what i am saying,"You changed stats of guns already fine to benefit yourself and friends, Would be my statement if I was really to throw a clash." Clash and Statement if I, I used that in a sentence so you can understand that if I wanted to pick a fight, I could easy accuse you of that. Also bullet trials can effect a fight depending on the location since most bullet on the server are hard to see. Ap rippers bullet trail is a bit bigger then the bullet itself so a bullet aka Image can easy sit behind the trail and it will catch you off your toes. Knock knock .-.

Also Geno, You don't become a prick.

Also this game is mostly running on a pay to win.
So easy that I can compare it to iEra without a flash.
The way guns are now, it's like only tier 1 weapons suck and everything else is almost balanced the same(meaning they all have almost the same stats).

Don't get started saying i'm attacking you because I hate you or anything.
I'm only disagreeing with your statement of what you think because i really feel as if you are wrong. It's a opinion over all and don't wet yourself over what i'm saying now. Just take me as a joke.





Just saying.

Even better, I will just message you on here.

IMO guns are already pretty equal. I just find rails,rippers, and auctions to be op overall. But other that the rest of the guns are equal.


And if we had 100 up we can have a higher variety of damage for guns so holiday guns won't always be 4 or 5 dmg.

I wanted to do the 100hp thing to help with the high end guns and make guns from all different places more diverse, it was all a process thing

There's just so much to all this and its pretty bad that i got halted half way

I wonder on how zone going to look in 5 months if it survive

Ok how about you all change the guns back to its original stats. With the new guns... Uh.. Just balance them. Idk.

Im not weapons admin anymore so i can't, and carlitos grand idea was to make zp do it -.-

Also, some guns are better off this way such as the gp

Okay, I think from this thread we can all agree that:

1. Management should be better
2. A new, trusted, weapon admin should be hired
3. Improve gun / pk/ ek gameplay

Or i could just get rehired and finish what needs to be done since i did get fired for no reason. I need stuff to do to keep busy

1. Working on it
2. The ZP's will have an easy tool to handle guns, basically everyone could do it as soon as it is implemented. And since it is a larger group who has a word on it, abuse will be less likely
3. Also working on that, yet the server is quite rusty. So my main goal right now is to get things organized and listed. The guns are looked at, don't worry

Well, next time don't give out free weapons to your friends or steal tens of thousands Zone coins from players using your "trusted" rights ;) Maybe then you would have had a chance to be hired back!