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Era News 01-18-2013 06:38 AM

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Posted by Pimpsy G. (Post 281615)

Did you seriously say you can change your sexual orientation. You're severely delusional, as there is literally zero debate that sexual orientation is genetic. Its been proven scientifically countless times. What you are saying is nonsense, and these people should have the ability to be who they are regardless of what society thinks of them. Your only point you are getting at is purely psychological and cultural standards, you keep saying that it is embarrassing to have gay parents and this may effect the mind of their child, how is that any different from being embarrassed to be black in an integrated school back in the 1950s? Because this time the child is being adopted?

Nonsense, millions of heterosexual parents adopt children as well. That has no grounds, and again, your only coherent point is that people may get embarrassed. If anything, your point swings towards being in favor of supporting gay marriage. We must break free of this prejudice because its a prejudice. Its exactly like racism in every single way, you have no points and your grammar is horrid.

I can't believe you said you were a good debater, you are a homophobe and you're full of yourself.

This is sopoesed to be a friendly debate, don't offend people for there views.

Latte 01-18-2013 06:39 AM

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Posted by ArtaXerXes (Post 281635)
My official last statement on this thread :

So from what I'm hearing from you people is just because a person decides that gay marriage is right, it instantly is justifiable? Humans apparently have the right to create their own morals? That means that since terrorists believe that killing others for their God is right that we shouldn't mind it. So is there really any 'right' or 'wrong'?

This can be applied to anything, but won't provide any answers or possible solutions.

Era News 01-18-2013 06:45 AM

And stop bringing up the 1950 it has absolutely nothing to do with this, race is something you can't change having gay parents is. And Pimpsy I'm not saying change your sexual orientation AT ALL I'm simply saying gay people shouldn't get married because it promotes adoptions.

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Posted by ArtaXerXes (Post 281635)
My official last statement on this thread :

So from what I'm hearing from you people is just because a person decides that gay marriage is right, it instantly is justifiable? Humans apparently have the right to create their own morals? That means that since terrorists believe that killing others for their God is right that we shouldn't mind it. So is there really any 'right' or 'wrong'?

Exactly the whole point of sex is to reproduce and gay people can't even do that so what's the point of getting married.

ArtaXerXes 01-18-2013 06:51 AM

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Posted by Latte (Post 281640)
This can be applied to anything, but won't provide any answers or possible solutions.

Forget my last statement :

The solution is we don't have to accept something just because somebody thinks they have the right to decide what's the new normal. We still need to respect homosexual people as fellow human beings and stop this prejudice, but allowing them marriage just to show we aren't prejudice isn't a good solution. An example :

You want to know why we had a complete stranger, who was barely even qualified to be president, become our elected leader? We wanted to put our countries rascist past behind us. Not even considering the fact that Obama seemed to have appeared out of nowhere.

Shock 01-18-2013 07:20 AM

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Posted by Era News (Post 281576)
O ok so you are totally fine with giving away billions of dollars to your already failing country (America) to have these people united?

If it was that they only wanted to stop at same sex marriages (which I know for a fact they won't) then maybe it will be fine. I'm completely against 2 dads/mums because its unfair for the child, extremely unfair. And marriage is religion? Lol? It was started by religion and shouldn't be changed to your so called "State". and why do these people want a piece of paper saying they've been united (marriage certificate) anyway? You see that's the thing, they don't want just that.

And the thing that gets me is they protest so much when there is much more important things going on in the world, they should just get over it.

People being united and dollars being used isn't new to history. It's how the child is treated that's the problem. Not the parents that are involved. Latte explained it better.

Marriage was changeable legally when it was passed from religion to law. Since it's a law(no longer just religion), it can be changed. People want a peice of paper because they can. It's the freedom to do whatever you like within the law. Since marriage is a legal status and the orientation is up to religion to define, there should be no orientation to meet.

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Posted by ArtaXerXes (Post 281610)
No, marriage is very much a religous institution.

Based on religion. When the law comes into play, it's a legal status.

Why do you think people abuse Vegas so much?

Era News 01-18-2013 07:20 AM

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Posted by Shock (Post 281652)

People being united and dollars being used isn't new to history. It's how the child is treated that's the problem. Not the parents that are involved. Latte explained it better.

Marriage was changeable legally when it was passed from religion to law. Since it's a law(no longer just religion), it can be changed. People want a peice of paper because they can. It's the freedom to do whatever you like within the law. Since marriage is a legal status and the orientation is up to religion to define, there should be no orientation to meet.

It's religion and it will always be religion...

Paladin 01-18-2013 07:27 AM

Gay sex is wrong gay love is false.

IP 01-18-2013 07:27 AM

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Posted by Paladin (Post 281655)
Gay sex is wrong gay love is false.

Agreed

Shock 01-18-2013 07:28 AM

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Posted by ArtaXerXes (Post 281643)
Forget my last statement :

The solution is we don't have to accept something just because somebody thinks they have the right to decide what's the new normal. We still need to respect homosexual people as fellow human beings and stop this prejudice, but allowing them marriage just to show we aren't prejudice isn't a good solution. An example :

You want to know why we had a complete stranger, who was barely even qualified to be president, become our elected leader? We wanted to put our countries rascist past behind us. Not even considering the fact that Obama seemed to have appeared out of nowhere.

That's a bad example. It's a stretch to say "we wanted to put the countries racist past behind us." It depends on the number of voters and their political grouping (which I find to be complete bs and slightly racist in itself).

It's about human morality. If you allow yourself to go against the idea, "separation of church and state," you open up all kind of religious reasonings to rationalize yourself. Like George W. Bush: paraphrase: "God wanted me to be president." Marriage is religious and legal. The personal beliefs you hold should not influence your capacity to judge laws as applicable and just. If marriage is a binding agreement, any two people should be able to do it.

Era News 01-18-2013 07:29 AM

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Posted by Paladin (Post 281655)
Gay sex is wrong gay love is false.

+1 I think this argument is coming to an end.

Shock 01-18-2013 07:29 AM

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Posted by Era News (Post 281654)
It's religion and it will always be religion...

Tell that to the IRS after you tie the knot. :)

Era News 01-18-2013 07:31 AM

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Posted by Shock (Post 281660)

Tell that to the IRS after you tie the knot. :)

Ok? Lol? It's always been religion the only proper way of uniting two people is through religion?

Shock 01-18-2013 07:33 AM

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Posted by Paladin (Post 281655)
Gay sex is wrong gay love is false.

I agree about the morals, but love is love. Also, it doesn't make people lower citizens. Everyone has rights and love should be expressed with legal papers saying they are one entity. Just for fk sake.

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Posted by Era News (Post 281661)
Ok? Lol? It's always been religion the only proper way of uniting two people is through religion?

Keyword: Proper.
I don't hear you whining about Las Vegas, when that's completely legal.

Era News 01-18-2013 07:43 AM

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Posted by Shock (Post 281662)

I agree about the morals, but love is love. Also, it doesn't make people lower citizens. Everyone has rights and love should be expressed with legal papers saying they are one entity. Just for fk sake.

Keyword: Proper.
I don't hear you whining about Las Vegas, when that's completely legal.

Las vagas isn't even a proper marriage lol.

Shock 01-18-2013 07:46 AM

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Posted by Era News (Post 281667)
Las vagas isn't even a proper marriage lol.

Thank you. That was my point. IT'S COMPLETELY 100% Legal.


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