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imSupah 05-02-2014 09:44 PM
M16A3 was not OP in BF3...

5hift 05-02-2014 11:04 PM
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Posted by Devlin (Post 471534)
Welcome to graal! Ask your parents for itunes cards, you need them for drawing apps, u are really going to spend it on graal and download the free drawing app.
Ugh...

What graal needs is less people like this.

psewolf 05-03-2014 12:14 AM
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Posted by iHot (Post 471449)
People who have spent 42k get a better gun. Releasing higher tier items like the rippers is inevitable. I don't see the problem in having a very strong gun.
Yea, lets hope they don't release anything higher, we don't need "BARs"

Ghettoicedtea 05-03-2014 01:05 AM
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Posted by xSupah* (Post 471640)
M16A3 was not OP in BF3...
BULL**** at launch the thing was OP as hell. HBAR+grip=laser beams of death. Plus there was a bug that allowed it to bypass suppression.

Rotaruc 05-03-2014 05:31 PM
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Posted by Omni (Post 471626)
"There are no such things as overpowered guns, it may take time to overcome, but there is always a way to win." -Omni

The AP Rippers aren't OP (Overpowered), it just takes time and practice to learn how to beat it, same thing goes for the Streamer
in Frenzy Mode.
I thought I was crazy for a while... Im glad to see that someone else knows what theyre talking about. There is a way to balance the guns without making top tier guns OP. Just because top tier weapons are powerful does not necessarily mean they are over powered. Just because you struggle to overcome someone using the APRs does not mean they need to be nerfed. What needs to happen is a buff of the players. There are too many whiners and complainers nowadays that no one is actually focusing on getting better and all I hear is "I want a skill based game" but no one wants to use skill. In my opinion y'all are hypocrites and need to go play club penguin and gtfo out of zone and era if you cant understand this.
" There are no such things as overpowered guns, it may take time to overcome, but there is always a way to win." -Omni

Ghettoicedtea 05-03-2014 07:01 PM
Theres a very fine line between good and OP. rippers right now are currently just slightly above good since they still have so many advantages over other guns. What omni is describing is skill. This is also eras mentality of weapon balance. Fork over money and get a OP gun that requires no skill too use or gain lots of skill to beat people with low class weapons. We all know how era turned out to be and no one wants that.

imSupah 05-04-2014 06:48 AM
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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 471677)
BULL**** at launch the thing was OP as hell. HBAR+grip=laser beams of death. Plus there was a bug that allowed it to bypass suppression.
No it really wasn't. I played at launch and to me the M16a3 was as good as AK-74M. It's like saying the colt m1911 is op. Anyone with skill could have killed a person with a m16a3. The gun is not OP. You wanna see OP guns? Hop on COD.

Stratus 05-04-2014 03:53 PM
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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 471638)
sir i think you need to be checked out by a doctor. What you are describing is skill. Over powered means it has way too much power to the point of where that object becomes hands down the most powerful thing. Example the m16a3 in bf3, or the bar in era.
It requires skill to overpower the rippers something you obviously don't have. Stop crying because you suck and learn how to beat them. It may be overpowered but it isn't that hard to kill players who use Rippers. The APRs are balanced fine the way they are.

doodleman171 05-04-2014 05:01 PM
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Posted by Rotaruc (Post 471768)
I thought I was crazy for a while... Im glad to see that someone else knows what theyre talking about. There is a way to balance the guns without making top tier guns OP. Just because top tier weapons are powerful does not necessarily mean they are over powered. Just because you struggle to overcome someone using the APRs does not mean they need to be nerfed. What needs to happen is a buff of the players. There are too many whiners and complainers nowadays that no one is actually focusing on getting better and all I hear is "I want a skill based game" but no one wants to use skill. In my opinion y'all are hypocrites and need to go play club penguin and gtfo out of zone and era if you cant understand this.
" There are no such things as overpowered guns, it may take time to overcome, but there is always a way to win." -Omni
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Posted by Stratus (Post 471889)
It requires skill to overpower the rippers something you obviously don't have. Stop crying because you suck and learn how to beat them. It may be overpowered but it isn't that hard to kill players who use Rippers. The APRs are balanced fine the way they are.
I'm curious, what weapons do you use?

Stratus 05-04-2014 06:54 PM
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Posted by doodleman171 (Post 471896)
I'm curious, what weapons do you use?
I use the Streamer and the Syphon pistols

Ghettoicedtea 05-05-2014 01:03 AM
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Posted by xSupah* (Post 471860)
No it really wasn't. I played at launch and to me the M16a3 was as good as AK-74M. It's like saying the colt m1911 is op. Anyone with skill could have killed a person with a m16a3. The gun is not OP. You wanna see OP guns? Hop on COD.
Ok ok ok, so you are telling me, a gun with 800RPM, something a little bit more recoil (i think it was by .08) and a way faster t2k is not OP? Go onto any battlefield forum and ask if the m16a3 was not OP. the m16a3 was the god gun of bf3 hands down. If you think it wasnt OP fine (you are blessed with not being so nit picky about this stuff unlike me) there was though 2 guns that were OP at launch that can not be argued, PKP ca-ching and the USAS12 frag

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Posted by Stratus (Post 471889)
It requires skill to overpower the rippers something you obviously don't have. Stop crying because you suck and learn how to beat them. It may be overpowered but it isn't that hard to kill players who use Rippers. The APRs are balanced fine the way they are.
Holy shat im surrounded by ****ing ******s. Why is this always the go to excuse for OP guns? If you have ever seen me base on conquest before, im no easy target and i personally have no problems at all with taking down rippers. What my problem is that how im always put at such a large disadvantage vs others and competitive gameplay turning into a ripper master race.

Tl;dr
Why invest time in building up skill when instead they could fork 20$ over and get a more powerful weapon, get into action of the game instantly and dominate with this.

Rotaruc 05-05-2014 10:31 PM
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Posted by doodleman171 (Post 471896)
I'm curious, what weapons do you use?
Id rather not bring out my cocky side and get myself going.

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 471971)
Ok ok ok, so you are telling me, a gun with 800RPM, something a little bit more recoil (i think it was by .08) and a way faster t2k is not OP? Go onto any battlefield forum and ask if the m16a3 was not OP. the m16a3 was the god gun of bf3 hands down. If you think it wasnt OP fine (you are blessed with not being so nit picky about this stuff unlike me) there was though 2 guns that were OP at launch that can not be argued, PKP ca-ching and the USAS12 frag



Holy shat im surrounded by ****ing ******s. Why is this always the go to excuse for OP guns? If you have ever seen me base on conquest before, im no easy target and i personally have no problems at all with taking down rippers. What my problem is that how im always put at such a large disadvantage vs others and competitive gameplay turning into a ripper master race.

Tl;dr
Why invest time in building up skill when instead they could fork 20$ over and get a more powerful weapon, get into action of the game instantly and dominate with this.
Im sorry but obviously you cant overcome the APRs if you think just by owning them you can "instantly dominate with them".

Ghettoicedtea 05-06-2014 01:57 PM
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Posted by Rotaruc (Post 472227)
Id rather not bring out my cocky side and get myself going.



Im sorry but obviously you cant overcome the APRs if you think just by owning them you can "instantly dominate with them".
i see you with rippers.

Are u serious m8 you too are joining the ****** side on this when you have seen me base on conquest before, i can already dominate with brains and a photon. I said this 80 million times i have no problems with taking down a APR user. This is my problem
Why invest time in building up skill when instead they could fork 20$ over and get a more powerful weapon, get into action of the game instantly and dominate with this.
That right there is my issue.

Distorted 05-06-2014 04:31 PM
I disagree, players should be able to get there refund if there gun was needed, I completely don't staff will though.

Ghettoicedtea 05-06-2014 05:32 PM
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Posted by Distorted (Post 472393)
I disagree, players should be able to get there refund if there gun was needed, I completely don't staff will though.
why though? the gun is still OP and well worth the 42.5k.


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