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Grief Hero 06-02-2014 11:47 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 478149)
should ban the entire device, for example if someone hacks on iphone 4 we ban all iphone 4 users.

I'm starting to see how this could work.

Kuz 06-03-2014 12:27 AM

Can't you ban device ID like ban that device from playing Graal or ban that PC from playing Graal?

captainhaxs 06-03-2014 02:17 AM

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Posted by Kuz (Post 478318)
Can't you ban device ID like ban that device from playing Graal or ban that PC from playing Graal?

there are many ways to get around this lol

Dusty 06-03-2014 02:23 AM

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Posted by captainhaxs (Post 478346)
there are many ways to get around this lol

Anyone who cares enough can get around any ban, that doesn't mean it's useless.

captainhaxs 06-03-2014 02:30 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 478348)
Anyone who cares enough can get around any ban, that doesn't mean it's useless.


i wasnt saying that pcid bans are useless, it gets annoying after a while to get around them.

Skill 06-03-2014 06:50 AM

I appreciate Crono's satire.

Anyways, TOR would not work to play graal. The latency would be so unbearable you wouldn't even be able to maintain a connection.

a VPN or Proxy is your best bet for avoiding an ip ban. TOR is only good for anonymity.

Crono 06-03-2014 01:59 PM

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Posted by Skill (Post 478394)
I appreciate Crono's satire.

(:

IP bans are a bit outdated but unless multiple people in your neighborhood play, I doubt you'd get false positives.

Cookie Xanadu 06-03-2014 03:26 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 478422)
(:

IP bans are a bit outdated but unless multiple people in your neighborhood play, I doubt you'd get false positives.

What needs to happen is the ability to allow Tig's method of marking a device's ID, much like they can on a PC. I could be completely wrong on this as I haven't used this **** in ages, but it's the thing that lets you know exactly what accounts on been on that ID. Or it could be what accounts have been on the IP. I don't quite remember now.

Crono 06-03-2014 04:54 PM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 478435)
What needs to happen is the ability to allow Tig's method of marking a device's ID, much like they can on a PC. I could be completely wrong on this as I haven't used this **** in ages, but it's the thing that lets you know exactly what accounts on been on that ID. Or it could be what accounts have been on the IP. I don't quite remember now.

We should just reformat the drives of hackers on detection, use FAT32 for the ****s n giggles.

Viper 06-03-2014 05:33 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 478455)
We should just reformat the drives of hackers on detection, use FAT32 for the ****s n giggles.

There is a reason that even the most DRMed and unethical game companies won't even do this...

Things don't work that way and even if it did it would place Graal well within the category of malware/viruses, be added to every virus/malware/spyware scanner and website blocklists.

The "hacker detection" would also have a very high false positive rate essentially wiping 90% of all GraalOnline players data. Not that I care since I haven't touched GraalOnline in many years and it would probably mildly amuse me to see hundreds of innocent kids raging about their mommies computer or iPhone being wiped.

It would open up Eurocenter to many more lawsuits which wouldn't actually be a problem for them as they would just hide in France and ignore them like they have with countless other lawsuits.

IP Bans are ineffective and effect many innocent people. anyone that wants to be a **** can just use a random socks proxy, vpn, dialup connection or other connection with dynamic IP assignment. Not practical for a major commercial online game or company.

With that said I personally IP ban whole class A blocks filled with the euroturds such as 80.*.*.* 81, ect... on my websites, private game servers and other things. They have very little people of value that speak english and most of them just spread malware, ddos attacks and forum spambots that and I simply dislike most French people.

Cookie Xanadu 06-03-2014 06:36 PM

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Posted by Viper (Post 478461)
There is a reason that even the most DRMed and unethical game companies won't even do this...

Things don't work that way and even if it did it would place Graal well within the category of malware/viruses, be added to every virus/malware/spyware scanner and website blocklists.

The "hacker detection" would also have a very high false positive rate essentially wiping 90% of all GraalOnline players data. Not that I care since I haven't touched GraalOnline in many years and it would probably mildly amuse me to see hundreds of innocent kids raging about their mommies computer or iPhone being wiped.

It would open up Eurocenter to many more lawsuits which wouldn't actually be a problem for them as they would just hide in France and ignore them like they have with countless other lawsuits.

IP Bans are ineffective and effect many innocent people. anyone that wants to be a **** can just use a random socks proxy, vpn, dialup connection or other connection with dynamic IP assignment. Not practical for a major commercial online game or company.

With that said I personally IP ban whole class A blocks filled with the euroturds such as 80.*.*.* 81, ect... on my websites, private game servers and other things. They have very little people of value that speak english and most of them just spread malware, ddos attacks and forum spambots that and I simply dislike most French people.

Aren't you the guy that made the site that lists all of the bull**** Stephane and (possibly) Stefan has pulled?

captainhaxs 06-03-2014 06:48 PM

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Posted by Skill (Post 478394)
I appreciate Crono's satire.

Anyways, TOR would not work to play graal. The latency would be so unbearable you wouldn't even be able to maintain a connection.

a VPN or Proxy is your best bet for avoiding an ip ban. TOR is only good for anonymity.

Tor works fine for me, depends on how you configure it. any vpn/proxy has a chance of leaking the ip address.

Crono 06-03-2014 07:15 PM

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Posted by Viper (Post 478461)
There is a reason that even the most DRMed and unethical game companies won't even do this...

You think I was serious?

freakytree 06-03-2014 11:08 PM

I think you should just ban a face. If they look suspicious ban them

captainhaxs 06-04-2014 02:51 PM

I say waterboarding and torture for getting reported once would be effective. Also thought police.


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