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Vulcan Blaze 12-22-2014 02:55 AM

Not for Classic, no.

freakytree 12-22-2014 03:42 AM

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Posted by Vulcan Blaze (Post 528815)
Not for Classic, no.

lol how about we read the whole post!! i said it is easy to trade for other servers. classic obviously has no trading...

Bryan* 12-22-2014 04:10 AM

The only thing I can think of that's tradable is loot or bugs.

that1guy666 12-22-2014 08:34 AM

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Posted by Sardon (Post 528784)
Well we have already a scam free easter egg trade system theirs no scamming in that

We could use that idea!

Not true, players would often complain about being scammed with trading gralats/ farming... etc for eggs.

Myst 12-22-2014 02:32 PM

Oh so you guys want the scams to continue until it worsens?

SomeoneAdelphos 12-22-2014 09:50 PM

Most hats would lose the prestige that comes along with wearing them, such as the 6k spar win hat from around 2010 it would become tradeable and lose its special value.

Kendama 12-22-2014 09:58 PM

Trading a single item for another (like trade tables) would be very cool. Guild hats would become more of something like a currency and yes the ****ty unethical guild leaders that exist in modern graal would abuse it to the leaders advantage (and not to the guild members, like thallen said).

I personally think it would only boost the sales and gralat packs people purchase. (people would want to always be grabbing things because they will be rare later to be traded). Unixmad obviously doesn't think so.

It would be cool yes very cool and give classic more stuff to do. But yknow... what control do we have over the owners decisions?

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Posted by SomeoneAdelphos (Post 528976)
Most hats would lose the prestige that comes along with wearing them, such as the 6k spar win hat from around 2010 it would become tradeable and lose its special value.

I don't understand this logic. I can't really picture too many people trading very valuable items and hats for easy to obtain ****.

Link of GT 12-23-2014 08:34 AM

The real question is: Does grall have anything other than furniture that is worth trading?

4-Lom 12-23-2014 10:04 AM

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Posted by SomeoneAdelphos (Post 528976)
Most hats would lose the prestige that comes along with wearing them, such as the 6k spar win hat from around 2010 it would become tradeable and lose its special value.

Rarity would not be an issue... if you are 'trading' and not 'copying' the item would still be rare, but an item's origin and/or significance might be lost after being traded a few times to people who don't recognize it...

But then again, I see noob accounts running around with the yeti morph or that giant bee costume from time to time... accounts with less than 100 hours which seem to have been created/identified from an older account and/or hacked up some random old items... so what's the difference? A legit, limited trading function could be beneficial.

I want to go on to write about another system here, but I will post it in the future updates area instead. Cheers guys.

Kuuga 12-23-2014 11:42 AM

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Posted by HON3Y BADG3R (Post 528746)
This. How necessary is it to trade? Guild hats would become worthless and mean nothing, scamming everywhere, and you could make 100s of noob accounts and trade the money over to your main.

Zone can't trade Squad Hats.

Kendama 12-23-2014 04:28 PM

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Posted by Link of GT (Post 529101)
The real question is: Does grall have anything other than furniture that is worth trading?

Many people like hats, as for me, i would be interested in the morphs and some of the ganis definetely. I really always wanted levitate

fp4 12-23-2014 04:37 PM

If we ever get around to implementing player-to-player commerce it would only allow items that have value and a name attached to them.

Things like GST hats/belts, towering hats and the like that are not sold through a shop wouldn't be able to be traded.

Kuuga 12-23-2014 05:29 PM

It would be great.
Old mounts, holiday stuff.
Dragon Morphs. You know?

Sardon 12-23-2014 06:02 PM

I think we can all agree trading is a cool idea we all want but we dont really see how this changes iclassic it just wont be the same anymore people constantly buy gralat packs for that nexus that in this week so in a year they can start bragging they have that cool morph and the other player doesnt.
Here items can easily be obtained through a random rich noob buying 500k worth of gralats and trading them in for what is concidered to be pretty rare like the first vip or something like that.

Therefore you can get pretty much anything with gralat packs therefore this game no longuer lets Normal players who dont spend 500$ a day on the game to enjoy it.

Shurikan 12-26-2014 10:09 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 528758)
I can name about 50 reasons, but I know it'll be a waste of time.

One of the main ones that you can consider is how easy it would be to manipulate. What would you be able to trade? Items? Are you wanting staff to make special exceptions for GST or event items? Seasonal items? Hats? What about GST hats? Tower hats? Seasonal hats? If no to all of them, then's the point? If yes:
  • I can manipulate the rewards system in towering by giving many to noob accounts to trade later
  • I can turn the GST into a boring joke (more than already)
  • I am no longer excited for seasonal events, and the little excitement they provide anyway, because I can just get everything at a later time

And so on, etc.

The only purpose I see a trading system would serve is to give players things they don't deserve. I feel like the integrity of towers, spars, and seasonal stuff should remain limited to the people who were actually a part of it. If not, they end up losing all meaning and it becomes boring as hell.


Simple fix, make certain items so they are unable to be traded.

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Posted by that1guy666 (Post 528848)
Not true, players would often complain about being scammed with trading gralats/ farming... etc for eggs.

You can't be scammed if the trade system is done properly.

I honestly think it is just laziness or the unwillingness to begin a trading system.
Also how would trading make items less rare? Many games with trading systems still have rare items. Lets say x amount of people buy a hat before it is removed from a shop. You can't gain anymore than x amount of hats because it can no longer be purchased. Therefor the amount of hats in the game can still only decrease as players will quit. Rarity is not an issue. (and who cares if a few noobs are lucky enough to get their hands on an item. So what, stop whining.)

All of these problems have simple fixes like soul bounding (for quest items and special items like tower hats, GST, and certain event items), fair trade systems, (allow both parties to confirm this is what they are trading and what they are receiving.), any other arguments are invalid.

A trade system would work.

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Posted by Sardon (Post 529188)
Therefore you can get pretty much anything with gralat packs therefore this game no longuer lets Normal players who dont spend 500$ a day on the game to enjoy it.

Re-think this, a trade system would give everyone opportunity. You still need money to buy items with, or without a trade system.


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