The original Antago is on here? That'd be weird.

Is Graal really a different game than Zelda Online?
It sure seems like the same game with an altered tileset.

I was just kiddin with u lol. I really am a Onion, I make them noobies teary when they see me. And you were right it was a xheap when to make a buck off a big name

2000 4 lyfe stoopid 90s oldmen

holey chit!!

The original Clops? *hugs*

Look, here's the issue I have with this whole "Graal USED to be ZELDA ONLINE! The pre, pre-pre version."

Cyberjouer produces games; Zelda Online was a rip-off made by a programmer who wanted to turn Zelda into an online game. Zelda belongs to Nintendo. A community of Zelda fans joined in. The game was discontinued and the code, the graphics, some levels were all reused but modified heavily (as most game & online developers reuse their code & resources) in developing a title called "Graal Online". Many of the friends of Stefan and former players of Zelda Online were attracted to Graal, and chose to play.

From a marketing perspective, Stefan & Unixmad have the rights to say "Graal & Zelda Online were Cyberjoueur projects".

If I make Sonic Online, but then change the characters, change the levels (and keep a few but modify them), alter the graphics, change the storyline, change the title, modify the code, and remarket the game under an entirely different title, premise & spirit—regardless if I am producing this new title from the same company & a lot of members of the other community are interested—the new title is new inspiration & a new spirit.

I think there is some confusion among people who used to play Zelda Online; there is a feeble attempt at prolonging one's place in some sort of ethereal netherworld community. "I WAS WITH GRAAL BEFORE IT WAS GRAAL!" That isn't the way reality works. You may have been a fan of Cyberjouer, Stefan, and some people who play Graal, but it is not the same game.

There is a difference between recontinuing a PRODUCTION COMPANY with a different title, and attempting to recontinue an entirely different story (GAME TITLE) with an entirely different title, set of characters, and premise and pretending the former title is some sort of prequel (especially if this supposed prequel is a copyright infringement/replica of someone else's story). In fact, I imagine there are legal issues in attempting to market Graal as a sequel to Zelda.

They are two entirely different titles developed by the same developers: Cyberjoueur.

At the time, Cyberjoueur (who had the balls to ripoff Nintendo in the first place) marketed Graal as the "new version of Zelda Online" merely to attract the same player base instead of starting anew (a lot of advertising is false advertising). It was false marketing, and just as faux as trying to sell a Zelda knock-off as being developed by Nintendo. Face it; Zelda Online is dead, and it is not a prequel to Graal.

… Also, in my conversations with Stefan, he himself has always been explicitly clear with me that Zelda Online is not nor was it ever a version of Graal history. This notion was perpetuated by some of the egotistical staff such as PACHUKA who were obsessed with gaming cults. PACHUKA and some other players repeatedly referred to Zelda Online as a version of Graal, even in their news posts; yet, PACHUKA did not stick around long, had issues with the whole "Graal" & staffing concept, his own ego, and even his own copyright infringement—as well as reverse threatening to sue for his own content—and he eventually left for, what else, a Sonic cult. Graal is its own game. If you played Zelda Online & enjoyed it, grand; I'm sure it was riveting while it lasted—but it isn't Graal history anymore than Stefan's first bicycle crash as a child is part of Graal.

I think the confusion lies in the fact that it was discontinued, its scraps recycled, made by the same company, and had many of the same players.

@clops I remember antago =o I didn't think it was really him at first, didn't know antago enough back then but he did also later have an NPC at some point.

@antago just want to chime in and say to my understanding Zelda Online made changes and became Graal The Adventure per Stefan and unixmad. However I started in late (09) '98 so I never experienced Zelda Online to be able to speak of the prior coding.

@GOAT all lies.

Read the last part of my post (as I have edited it). "Zelda Online" was discontinued; the gaming resources were reused, modified heavily, and used to build Graal. 99% of games today are built on the backs of former titles; that does not make them sequels is my point, nor aspects of each other's history. Developmentally, in an academic setting, it may be interesting to discuss some of the former titles that set the foundation of the programming & graphics—but from a marketing & real world perspective, these are two completely different titles.

Also, you joined Graal much later than '98 from what I recall, and I didn't just have an "NPC", I pretty much took over for PACHUKA after Fuitad & Galen hired me.

Joining graal pc in 1998 is the same sort of thing as joining iclassic in 2009 lol

2006 4 lyfe. stoopid 1998-2005 oldmen!

*** u 2011FTW

@antago I started when the spawn location was just on the other side of Angel Clan right below the current Graal City bank. I didn't make it far since I had a 133mhz pc with AOL dial up. I was instantly PK'd at log in. I had started Graal as Shadow briefly, then I tried logging on as Xena. I remember when you died you respawned at that same place. Rarely could get far with the PK'rs because I moved sooooo slow until I made Xena and then killermech got me to safety(<3). Later in '99 I made contego and told everyone I was Xena.

Fam

1984-1989
Lived next to stefan and was his BFF

Is this a paid advertisement for Graal? o.O

Lmao GOAT ruled this thread