Posted by Dusty (Post 640961)

This is one of those moments where players think up some elaborate conspiracy and fill in the blanks with their own assumptions, when instead it really is very simple.

1) Bees spawning from bushes/gralats isn't a glitch. That's how bees work.
2) Whoever implemented bees made the chance backwards. 0 meant 100% chance of a gralat turning into a bee. I did not know this.
3) The problem was fixed, and bees were fixed to work how they were intended: to not spawn in winter. There was no screw-up, just jumping to conclusions.

Posted by Narcosis (Post 641021)

I just always assumed the green gralats sometimes turning into bees was a glitch. So, my bad on that.

But regarding this whole thing, if that 0 never got "accidentally" changed to 100, bees would still be spawning. I don't believe there's any conspiracy here. Just another case of something that was functioning a certain way for a very long time being changed and us being told "that's how it was always intended".

You can see this being frustrating for a lot of people who use bee farming as their main source of gralats. Especially with Xmas around the corner and everyone trying to save up for gifts.

It would be different if this was a glitch people were abusing and it was fixed. But that's not the case. A core gameplay element was altered. And knowing Toonslab, it does seem a little bit too coincidental that this would happen during a time when they know people are going to be dishing out money on gralat packs.

I've given Toonslab a lot of my money. Okay, so bees were never meant to spawn in winter. Fine. Then put in a new "winter" bug that functions the same way bees do. Problem solved.

Posted by Narcosis (Post 641021)

I just always assumed the green gralats sometimes turning into bees was a glitch. So, my bad on that.

Posted by Narcosis (Post 641021)

But regarding this whole thing, if that 0 never got "accidentally" changed to 100, bees would still be spawning. I don't believe there's any conspiracy here. Just another case of something that was functioning a certain way for a very long time being changed and us being told "that's how it was always intended".

Posted by Narcosis (Post 641021)

You can see this being frustrating for a lot of people who use bee farming as their main source of gralats. Especially with Xmas around the corner and everyone trying to save up for gifts.

It would be different if this was a glitch people were abusing and it was fixed. But that's not the case. A core gameplay element was altered. And knowing Toonslab, it does seem a little bit too coincidental that this would happen during a time when they know people are going to be dishing out money on gralat packs.

Posted by Narcosis (Post 641021)

I've given Toonslab a lot of my money. Okay, so bees were never meant to spawn in winter. Fine. Then put in a new "winter" bug that functions the same way bees do. Problem solved.

Posted by Dusty (Post 641035)

Bees come from gralats. If you see a gralat first and it turns into a bee it most likely lagged.

Posted by Dusty (Post 641035)

There was no "accidental change." Bees were intended to not spawn during winter, but it was never implemented by whoever added them. I was told to fix it and in doing so accidentally implemented the wrong chance variable.

Posted by Dusty (Post 641035)

Administration had absolutely nothing to do with the change. If people are relying on bees so heavily for income then maybe they aren't properly balanced.


Honestly there doesn't need to be justifications for tweaked/balance changes when it comes to how players earn gralats in-game. Things will always be adjusted as seen fit to properly balance the jobs. Though again, this has nothing to do with forcing players to buy gralat packs.

Just because you have given Toonslab money doesn't mean you should be able to earn gralats in-game faster. That doesn't make sense.

Given just how much blowback there is about bees disappearing, I'm getting the slightest inkling that maybe players were earning way too much from them for whatever reason. But that's just a hunch.

Posted by Narcosis (Post 641077)

Ohh that makes sense.




Oh I understand. Well, I can live with that. And bee-mania was fun while it lasted. XD



Uh oh.. He's onto us.

Seriously though, it can be argued whether or not bee farming is unbalanced. During summer I made tons of gralats just my roaming the map, catching every bug in sight, and selling them on their respective bug days.

Bees can bring in a lot of gralats, but there's a number of factors that actually do keep it pretty balanced.

1. Bees are hard to catch. Even someone who's mastered it (like myself) will miss some bees. Especially with lag to take into consideration. Some people just can't catch them at all. Back when that glitch existed that basically have you unlimited chances to catch your bee, it was different. But since that was fixed, there's just no way to catch every one.
2. As bee farming has become more popular and less "underground" and more well-known, there's more and more people doing it. More people in the same area = more stealing and competing over bees. The popular areas are always occupied with multiple people.
3. If you're smart, you'll only sell your bees on bee day (aka the day the bug buying NPC in swamptown pays x1.5 for bees). As the bug days are randomized, there's no way of knowing when it'll come. And people who need gralats right say for something will sell their bees for the regular price.
4. Bees no longer spawn during winter. If any balancing needed to be done, you've succeeded by making this change. That's 3 months with no bees.

I just wanted to list some facts because I've been bee farming off and on for a long time now, and I know what I'm talking about. I would hate to see a part of the game I like unnecessarily nerfed any further.

I can accept the no-bees-during-winter change because you addressed all my concerns and I appreciate that. And I never want to be one of those players who just whines about everything. I know how many of those you have to deal with. I like constructive discussion as opposed to needless arguing. :)

Posted by Narcosis (Post 641021)

I just always assumed the green gralats sometimes turning into bees was a glitch. So, my bad on that.

But regarding this whole thing, if that 0 never got "accidentally" changed to 100, bees would still be spawning. I don't believe there's any conspiracy here. Just another case of something that was functioning a certain way for a very long time being changed and us being told "that's how it was always intended".

You can see this being frustrating for a lot of people who use bee farming as their main source of gralats. Especially with Xmas around the corner and everyone trying to save up for gifts.

It would be different if this was a glitch people were abusing and it was fixed. But that's not the case. A core gameplay element was altered. And knowing Toonslab, it does seem a little bit too coincidental that this would happen during a time when they know people are going to be dishing out money on gralat packs.

I've given Toonslab a lot of my money. Okay, so bees were never meant to spawn in winter. Fine. Then put in a new "winter" bug that functions the same way bees do. Problem solved.

Posted by Ivy (Post 641079)

Although I'm one of those who simply can't catch bees, I like your point of view and have given you a +rep :)

Posted by Santa Claus (Post 641316)

Throws himself under the bus and tries to fix it. Too late dusty making bees poop now

Posted by Narcosis (Post 643401)

Thank you. :)

By the way, are you Shadowfox? I haven't been posting here much lately but I remember you.



Nuu it's not too late! We can throw more people under the bus!

Besides, I left out one crucial detail about bees in my previous post. The one thing that COULD raise an argument that bees are maybe a tad unbalanced. But Dusty shall never know. MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

The best part is it sounds like I'm making crap up. And for all anyone knows, I am.

*shifts his eyes back and fourth*

Posted by 4-Lom (Post 643448)

Sorry if I'm a buzz-kill but there's bees underground.

ALSO, haven't seen any black beetles in ages.