So, Obama prevented a second Great Depression. Things could have been a lot worse.
Go to your local mall, are people still buying things? Yes.
Go to the gas station, are people still buying gas? Yes.
Is there mass poverty and hunger riots? No.

The country is not in as bad as shape as politicians or the media makes it out to be. We are sure as heck doing a lot better than many other countries.

Mitt Romney is a very well educated man. An experienced company owner, and knows a thing or two about money. But with all of his history of lay offs and income cuts, can you really trust him to run this nation? He was also an advisor to former president, George W. Bush, whom got us into this debt in the first place. Romney is a smart man, but he's got dirt all over his slate. And I'm not quite sure I can vote for someone I'd have to think twice about trusting.

Obama Biden 2012-2016.

*facepalm* I have no idea what I was thinking. Maybe it was some optical illusion.

Still voting for Sandy though. She's gonna win!

At the time of writing this post Romney has 47%. We should keep the polls at this ratio just for the irony.

But actually, since yesterday, he is winning 51%

Poll or early votes?

If you want to talk about foreign policy, why don't we ask Mr. Obama what the hell happened in Benghazi 2 months ago. :\

It's the extremists' fault, they blame everything they don't like done by someone in the US on the whole nation, besides they killed someone who was involved in the Benghazi attacks a week ago in Nasr City, Egypt.

This guy.

Not trusting him for laying off someone? Paycuts? He was a buisnessman. He had to do what it took to make a profit. Things like this aren't 'dirt on his slate'. It's buisness.

You can't vote for someone just because you had second thoughts? Makes me wonder why you like Obama...

So you're saying it's okay to lay off and reduce the amount of income of our nation's workers? "It's just business". The thing about Romney is he's backed by company owners and the upper class. If he's elected, they're obviously going to want something in return. The upper classes' needs differ a whole lot from the middle and lower classes' needs. What's good for them, isn't necessarily good for us. And what I want, is what's best for the people.

And Obama isn't backed by his share of the upper class and company owners? Also why is that necessarily a bad thing?

It's not a good thing to have to layoff workers and reduce their income. It is part of buisness. It happens. Whether you like it or not. He's backed by the upper class and company owners? They EMPLOY AMERICA. When they get money, they can employ more workers. Romeny is in support of the tax cuts for the middle and the upper class. Tax cuts for the middle class make it so we can spend more and save less, making the economy better. Tax cuts for the higher up help employ more people. It's a win win.

About the 'they are going to want something in return' comment, Romney isn't stupid. He isn't going to do something that the upper class want that will hurt the economy but bennifit the wealthier people.

Not exactly. If the upper class is getting the biggest tax cuts, the other two are just getting what's left over. I understand it's okay and a very postive and beneficial thing to have company owners to support candidates. But if Romney has been laying all these people off, it's not employing America. It's losing jobs, valuable resources and workers. You are right about Romney benefiting the wealthier people, the problem is it's not benefitting the middle and lower classes. The wealthy don't need bigger tax cuts. They've already got money. We the middle class need more tax cuts. Favoring the rich over the majority throughout history has only lead to chaos. Our voice should be used for our needs, not theirs.

Looks like you've been buying into all those liberal attack ads trying to make it look like Romney is going to do nothing for the middle class and only gives a damn about the rich. Romney has said that he isn't going to increase taxes on the middle class, they'd have the same tax rates as the other classes.

Romney paid a 14% income tax rate in 2011. That's not exactly the same as the middle class...

I'm not saying Romney is paying the same, I'm saying that he doesn't plan on giving the rich any greater cuts then the middle class. Also referring back to one of your previous statements on foreign policy, what happened in Benghazi on September 11th? Seems like a pretty big screw up with Obama's foreign policy plan.

reading this thread has given me greater insight into every individuals demographic and intelligence than all my other activity on this forum combined.

No we need ships. We dont need to build them we need to upgrade older ones. Beside america is in huge debt and this will just make the debt even larger. Along with this metal prices wil skyrocket and most everything is made from metal. Also he wants more m1 abrams. This too will contribute big time to skyrocketing prices. The only good thing this will do is put people to work. But building a warship takes a crap ton of guys and americas navy labor wont have the man power needed. Now what will take a huge spike is oil prices. Why simplie because warships take a crap ton of oil to run.

No aircraft now a days can deal MASSIVE damage to ships with rocket pods, heat seaking missiles. Now they dont deal as much damage as a gun from a ship directly. But planes are much more consistant and accurate than main guns leading to higher damages in the end.

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I am beginning to worry for the youth of this nation. We really need more funding into education so children don't have this type of Call of Duty based logic.

That too romney is going to cut school funding. I dont see the call of duty logic i am just using my own logic.

I don't understand this argument. We spend much more money on school than our competitors already and yet we are falling behind. Its the attitude of the students, our parents, and our culture that need to be changed. And that starts with better teachers. We don't need more money, it just needs to be spent differently.

And frankly, the government shouldn't decide how our school systems are funded. That should be entirely up to the states. It shouldn't even be a topic with the presidency.

Oh really? When did Romeny specifically say he would cut education funding? Or is this just another assumption pulled out of the ass that was formulated from attack ads?

Also your logic is a little off there.
Well considering China's navy is expanding and improving at an alarming rate, new and upgraded ships would seem like a pretty wise idea if we were to find our selves at war with china in the near future. These costs wouldn't put the economy in no more of a hole then the auto industry bailouts did and atleast this cost would be reasonably justified seeing that some auto companies avoided bankruptcy with out even needing government assistance (Ford).

Basically what this could mean is that since cars use a crap ton of oil and metal then we should just get rid of them too. Of course creating and managing ships and other military expenses would use up natural resources but they would barely affect the prices of these resources; I mean it's not like we are producing millions of ships. Also to say that the navy doesnt have the man power to build ships is insane. For one, typically now a days most government equipment and vehicles are produced by private military contractors or other companies in the respective industries. The equipment is just inspected and regulated by the military; they don't physically build the equipment and weaponry themselves.

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This thread isn't going anywhere, (because that's how politics work) so I'm going to whip out the silliness. (Don't take this video seriously.)

This thread isn't going anywhere because you are not addressing my question I asked or any other points brought up. You instead have to result to relying on nonsense forms of media and avoiding questions.

I'd rather be an elephant than an ass :P

Your wonderful Mitt Romney:

laid off thousands of workers as head of the investment company Bain Capital.
set up shell companies in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda to avoid U.S. taxes.
calls Obama’s payroll tax cut that would save middle class/lower income families $1,500 a year “temporary little band aids.”
plan for a “middle class tax cut” would provide zero benefits to 73.9 percent of the middle class.
called for taxes on the poor, saying low-income Americans having no income tax liability is “a problem” that will “kill the country.”
would repeal the Dodd-Frank bill, which regulates the risky practices that led to the 2008 crisis.
said he wants to “get the federal government out of education
As governor, vetoed a minimum wage increase to $8 an hour.
said he “cannot see that a Cabinet position would be justified” for an American Muslim.
opposes troop withdrawal from Iraq.
said that catching bin Laden would be “insignificant” and it’s “not worth moving heaven and earth.”
supports drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
supports penalties for doctors who perform an abortion.
would “absolutely” support a state constitutional amendment to define life as beginning at conception, which would restrict women’s right to an abortion.
pledged to expand a Bush-Era policy of permitting doctors to deny women access to contraceptives.
drafted a bill to exempt a religious group from nondiscrimination rules, allowing it to ban gay couples from adopting children.
refused to condemn the booing of a gay soldier at a GOP debate.
blamed pornography for the ******ia Tech shooting. (WTF?)
first act as president would be to allow all states to opt out of health reform through executive action, which would be illegal.
feels Americans’ pain because he’s “also unemployed.” Romney was worth $250 million in 2008.
won’t release his tax returns.
“loves” george bush
thinks windows in airplanes should open
believes that rapists should have parental rights over children resulting from the rape they committed.

What? To increase to it, it has to be below $8... In New Zealand the minimum wage is $12. Do things just cost less, or is it the way it is?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=minimum+wage+united+states

It's below $8 an hour. That's all I can say.

Like a typical democrat?
Labeling someone a typical democrat on this fourm is pretty funny because people on this fourm may pick sides and thats fine, but they don't represent any of the two parties at all. In fact, the majority of people on this fourm probably don't know enough or aren't old enough to make educated decisions like that.

And two, there are so many good examples that the republicans can be called out for. And please don't say "what examples" because they aren't really hard to find. Ill start you off, Fox News or Sarah Palin.

Oh and want another good fact, The U.S spends 5 times more on the military then the second biggest spender, China and more than the next top 10 biggest spenders combined. In fact, republicans want to increase spending in the military.

Tell me why George Bush didn't stop 9/11 even though he was privied the possibility that terrorists would in fact hijack American commercial planes, and I'll get back to you.

Also, I am not Democrat. Neither am I Republican. I don't care what party a nominee comes from, for example, if Ron Paul had been nominated, I would support him instead.

And if we're going to talk about avoiding questions, maybe watch any of the debates, especially the vice presidential, and watch Paul Ryan avoid questions (one concerning his tax plan) that Martha Raddatz repeated several times because he kept ignoring them.

And me relying on "nonsense forms of media":

Oh god, don't tell me you're some bat **** crazy 9/11 conspiracist. Where in the hell did you hear that the bush adminastration knew before hand the the events of 9/11 were to unfold. You might as well say that 9/11 was an inside job. Do you honestly believe the government would have let thousands of innocent civilians die? Also how does the Bush adminastration's foreign policy have any correlation to the current election? So once again I'm going to ask, why were security forces withdrawn from Benghazi prior to the attacks on the embassy?

A mod needs to lock this thread. There should be A way to make a poll without comments. The poll is okay, but the posting on this thread is just flaming and arguing.

That's bascically what politics is :P lol

I don't like either of them.

The deficit is terrible right now. I don't think the media is overreacting at all.

Obama didn't prevent a second great depression, they're just raising the debt limit. Yes people are still buying things, but a vast majority of them are using credit cards and racking up a lot of debt. Is there mass poverty? Yes there is, and it's quite evident that job market is absolutely awful.

Also, check this out: http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Pretty scary to see how much it goes up in a matter of seconds.

I don't really care for either of them too much either, it's just Obama is less likely to start another war and end up getting me or one of my siblings drafted.

poverty > shooting/being shot

I'd rather be payed to be in the military than be homeless and sleeping on a park bench. I'd rather be taking control of my life, getting a decent income and taking some risks than living in poverty.

The U.S. does not draft soldiers anymore and hasn't since the Vietnam War.

True, but the government has always rewritten what it says it will do and not do. History repeats itself time and time again bud. :P World War III will come in due time.

Yes but who's says that World War III would require us to draft troops. We wouldn't have to draft if we invest in a superior military before hand.

And here I thought it was bad that people based their gun knowledge off of CoD/BF/whatever.

Not from america but go the black guy

Americans, don’t forget to set your clocks back an hour on Sunday. And don’t forget to not set your country back 50 years on Tuesday.

I think this is a nice way to end the discussion.

Well, 50 years ago was 1962. Our economy was much stronger than we have today in 2012. So your argument is invalid.

There's this thing called progress, it means the word is not the same it was 50 years ago. So your argument is invalid.

Yeah we should push military spending up to 8 trillion dollars to prepare for World War 3 right???? :rolleyes:

You know what i think Romney is doing, he saying things to appeal to the "tea party movement" although he himself is actually moderate. He needs the support from the far right. (John Macian tried this by choosing Sarah Palin and failed) But by doing this, the people don't know whether to believe him or not. They don't know if they should trust him

In the end even if one of them wins, without a popular vote (majority) there will always be a political gridlock and the U.S. wouldn't be better off than before the election.

How did he not prevent a second great depression? If he didn't bail out the banks MILLIONS wouldve been locked out of their bank accounts, then there would've been no money at all. He bailed out the auto companies from bankruptcy and laying off all their employees.
You're blind if you don't see what he prevented.
There's homeless people in the streets in every city, there is not mass poverty, or you're idea of poverty is highly askewed.

Tough decision because Romney seems to think of America as a business and Obama not being racist doesn't know what the hell he's doing. First off I think it's safe to say Obama just got president because he is black. Most of Obama's votes were based on the fact "He will be our first black president" that's it not based on anything he said. It's kind of sad how people jusr mindlessly vote without having any knowledge about either canidate. I'm for Romney though because he seems like he will actually get some stuff done.

I never said he didn't accomplish anything. I said he didn't prevent a second great depression. Adding to the amount of debt you can have does not remove the debt. It's still there. Also, there is still mass poverty regardless of how evident it is to you. I wasn't directly referring to homelessness. I was referring to job losses and huge financial debt, which is common in North America.

My point was that it's looking pretty bad, and seemingly getting worse. I think it's far more blind to think that USA is perfect just because consumerism still takes place.