Graalians
2 of 4 1 2 34
Show 50 post(s) from this thread on one page

Graalians (https://www.graalians.com/forums/index.php)
-   GraalOnline Era (https://www.graalians.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13)
-   -   Finish What You Start Please (https://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11844)

failure 11-11-2012 01:41 AM
Quote:
Posted by callimuc (Post 230910)
you dont have to join the lag fest - be happy about less lag somewhere else. and
It's tough to do this when some admins (Casper) say something will be given or happen at the party, and someone, myself, does not want to miss said "something" or giveaway.

callimuc 11-11-2012 01:41 AM
Quote:
Posted by failure (Post 230912)
But the various projects, instead of focusing on one at a time, are what is bothering players such as myself.
staff randomly get up with ideas or plan to create some stuff players suggested which is ending up with GFXs/LATs just creating it when they are bored (also posting stuff on FB or creating threads on here to get hopes up) and waiting for scripters to script it, while we have to do some other stuff.

Slinger 11-11-2012 01:41 AM
Quote:
Posted by callimuc (Post 230910)
but meh its not up to me.
Who is it up to then? Also why can you not bring it up as an issue?

Shock 11-11-2012 01:42 AM
I don't mind the cluster of content. I'm just unsatisfied with leaking. My last post might have gone unnoticed as we all posted simultaneously. Check page three at the bottom.

failure 11-11-2012 01:43 AM
Quote:
Posted by callimuc (Post 230915)
staff randomly get up with ideas or plan to create some stuff players suggested which is ending up with GFXs/LATs just creating it when they are bored (also posting stuff on FB or creating threads on here to get hopes up) and waiting for scripters to script it, while we have to do some other stuff.
Ah, I understand now, I didn't look at it like that.

Rufus 11-11-2012 01:43 AM
I find that players only recognize an update when it is grouped together as a large offering. It's a shame because if you release something every now-and-again (like you are suggesting) they totally overlook its value. On Classic people only seem to view entire town releases as updates

Higbey 11-11-2012 01:44 AM
staff member admits he doesnt care what players want or say, well guys, theres always strosteria,

or maybe if i ever do get my iron grip on a server i could turn graal around and give players what they deserve.

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 01:44 AM
seems to me like you need to hire more scripters. You also said there is stuff ready, just tell me why we can't get a great update every month instead of waiting 6-8 months for something that is advertised as fantastic.

callimuc 11-11-2012 01:46 AM
Quote:
Posted by failure (Post 230914)
It's tough to do this when some admins (Casper) say something will be given or happen at the party, and someone, myself, does not want to miss said "something" or giveaway.
he probably gave away dolls? he doesnt have the permission to give out free items, just to do the freeby once in a while.

Quote:
Posted by Slinger (Post 230916)
Who is it up to then? Also why can you not bring it up as an issue?
i am already trying to limit my unreleased items, except i need other staff members to test it and/or give some feedback.

Rufus 11-11-2012 01:46 AM
Quote:
Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230921)
seems to me like you need to hire more scripters. You also said there is stuff ready, just tell me why we can't get a great update every month instead of waiting 6-8 months for something that is advertised as fantastic.
Are there any games that provide 'great updates' on a monthly basis?

Higbey 11-11-2012 01:46 AM
Quote:
Posted by Rufus (Post 230919)
I find that players only recognize an update when it is grouped together as a large offering. It's a shame because if you release something every now-and-again (like you are suggesting) they totally overlook its value. On Classic people only seem to view entire town releases as updates
not true, big towns and stuff just get abandoned, you need to keep a constant stream of content, a actual story, a river to feed players, not tsunamis every 3 months.

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 01:47 AM
Quote:
Posted by Rufus (Post 230919)
I find that players only recognize an update when it is grouped together as a large offering. It's a shame because if you release something every now-and-again (like you are suggesting) they totally overlook its value. On Classic people only seem to view entire town releases as updates
that's the thing though, era players are different. They litterally get satisfied with the release of a new gun or two every other month. That is the extent of a great update. It's just that it has been that way for about 2 years now, with the inclusion of the every now and then "wow" update (zombie mini game, new bases, new zones, new events, etc) It is just over done, and people are just bored with it now.

failure 11-11-2012 01:49 AM
Quote:
Posted by Rufus (Post 230919)
I find that players only recognize an update when it is grouped together as a large offering. It's a shame because if you release something every now-and-again (like you are suggesting) they totally overlook its value. On Classic people only seem to view entire town releases as updates
Well, that may be how it is on classic, and it may be this way for some people on era. But for me and some others, constant updates is what makes (made) era fun from its release.

Quote:
Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230926)
that's the thing though, era players are different. They litterally get satisfied with the release of a new gun or two every other month. That is the extent of a great update. It's just that it has been that way for about 2 years now, with the inclusion of the every now and then "wow" update (zombie mini game, new bases, new zones, new events, etc) It is just over done, and people are just bored with it now.
Explained much better than my crappy one.

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 01:49 AM
Quote:
Posted by Rufus (Post 230924)
Are there any games that provide 'great updates' on a monthly basis?
It is possible with Graal. I have been on several Developing teams, and each of them work their asses off and there is something new every 3 weeks or so, done and ready (iDelteria, Shaded Legends, iZone).

Higbey 11-11-2012 01:50 AM
Quote:
Posted by Rufus (Post 230924)
Are there any games that provide 'great updates' on a monthly basis?
minecraft weekly snapshots,

and some of the plans for servers in progress include steady streams of content, events in the game, scripted things happening, attacks on towns, wars, monsters, lost treasure, diplomatic relations with kingdoms (GRAAL POLITICS ON A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL) and QUESTS THAT ARE UPDATED AND CONNECTED TO A STORY

Shock 11-11-2012 01:51 AM
Quote:
Posted by Higbey (Post 230925)
not true, big towns and stuff just get abandoned, you need to keep a constant stream of content, a actual story, a river to feed players, not tsunamis every 3 months.
I think you're wrong. If you plan out what there is to do per town, you can make those special features town specific, so players will come and go for specific reasons.

I am for releasing cluster content, but I think guns should be separate and special, unless they're town/theme specific.

XENA* 11-11-2012 01:51 AM
I think Era should hire few more active scripters. Looks like Callimuc is doing most of them with snk...

callimuc 11-11-2012 01:51 AM
Quote:
Posted by Higbey (Post 230920)
staff member admits he doesnt care what players want or say, well guys, theres always strosteria,

or maybe if i ever do get my iron grip on a server i could turn graal around and give players what they deserve.
i never said that i dont care what you are suggesting. i only said that we dont have to give a **** what you post on here because we dont even have to check stuff on here.
you can go on trying to put the words in an order you want them to be but in the end you are just talking bull****.

Quote:
Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230921)
seems to me like you need to hire more scripters. You also said there is stuff ready, just tell me why we can't get a great update every month instead of waiting 6-8 months for something that is advertised as fantastic.
funny, how are we supposed to get more scripters on a game where you have to pay2learn? most players get distracted by that and step over to gfx and stuff where they dont need to pay or dont need graal.
it is not up to me when stuff is released, its still the managers job. and i never advertised something as fantastic, neither did i claim it to be a fail. here we are again - player making up stuff which hasnt been said.

Hadi 11-11-2012 01:52 AM
higbey do you work for stroseria?

Rufus 11-11-2012 01:52 AM
Quote:
Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230928)
It is possible with Graal. I have been on several Developing teams, and each of them work their asses off and there is something new every 3 weeks or so, done and ready (iDelteria, Shaded Legends, iZone).
Not going to get into those servers, but the content is not created within those three weeks lol.

Quote:
Posted by Higbey (Post 230930)
minecraft weekly snapshots,
Minecraft groups its updates together and releases them a few times a year. That is a really bad example.

failure 11-11-2012 01:53 AM
It would be hard to constantly keep updating a game, but every few weeks they should have some sort of chain of updates each week. Kind of like how era does holidays like Halloween and Christmas: update a day at a time until a certain point, then die down for awhile until the next holiday. Except on a larger scale, like every week or two.
My problem is the lack of updates (not Halloween related).

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 01:55 AM
Quote:
Posted by callimuc (Post 230933)
and i never advertised something as fantastic, neither did i claim it to be a fail. here we are again - player making up stuff which hasnt been said.
I never said you do? I meant in general. Please don't assume and then get offended/defensive.

failure 11-11-2012 01:55 AM
Quote:
Posted by callimuc (Post 230933)
i never said that i dont care what you are suggesting. i only said that we dont have to give a **** what you post on here because we dont even have to check stuff on here.
you can go on trying to put the words in an order you want them to be but in the end you are just talking bull****.



funny, how are we supposed to get more scripters on a game where you have to pay2learn? most players get distracted by that and step over to gfx and stuff where they dont need to pay or dont need graal.
it is not up to me when stuff is released, its still the managers job. and i never advertised something as fantastic, neither did i claim it to be a fail. here we are again - player making up stuff which hasnt been said.
You have to PAY to learn how to do script? That sucks...guess that explains the lack of scripters.

Quote:
Posted by XENA* (Post 230932)
I think Era should hire few more active scripters. Looks like Callimuc is doing most of them with snk...
Yeah, what xena said, but pay2learn sucks.

Higbey 11-11-2012 01:56 AM
Quote:
Posted by Rufus (Post 230935)
Not going to get into those servers, but the content is not created within those three weeks lol.



Minecraft groups its updates together and releases them a few times a year. That is a really bad example.
im talking about the snapshots, the beta releases each week, not the official updates,

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 01:56 AM
And explain to me how holiday stuff is generally all made within a month? Players usually consider those great updates, and honestly they don't take much effort from what I notice

bobo 11-11-2012 01:56 AM
Quote:
Posted by failure (Post 230939)
You have to PAY to learn how to do script? That sucks...guess that explains the lack of scripters.



Yeah, what xena said, but pay2learn sucks.
Abuse the free two weeks of gold now!

callimuc 11-11-2012 01:58 AM
Quote:
Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230928)
It is possible with Graal. I have been on several Developing teams, and each of them work their asses off and there is something new every 3 weeks or so, done and ready (iDelteria, Shaded Legends, iZone).
how can 2 teams of 2 unreleased servers work they ass off for constant updates of 3 weeks? is the staff complaining about no updates in the development time?

Quote:
Posted by XENA* (Post 230932)
I think Era should hire few more active scripters. Looks like Callimuc is doing most of them with snk...
alpho is also doing a great job, sadly he seems busy with delteria.

Quote:
Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230938)
I never said you do? I meant in general. Please don't assume and then get offended/defensive.
so when we are talking about a certain thing and i'd suddenly come up with such a thing, wouldnt you assume aswell? i think you would.

Quote:
Posted by failure (Post 230939)
You have to PAY to learn how to do script? That sucks...guess that explains the lack of scripters.
yes, else you cant use the RC meaning you cant script

failure 11-11-2012 01:58 AM
Quote:
Posted by bobo (Post 230942)
Abuse the free two weeks of gold now!
Whaaaaaat? That's the pay2learn he's talking about?

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 01:59 AM
Quote:
Posted by callimuc (Post 230943)
so when we are talking about a certain thing and i'd suddenly come up with such a thing, wouldnt you assume aswell? i think you would.
that sir, made no sense. Relax please

callimuc 11-11-2012 02:01 AM
Quote:
Posted by failure (Post 230944)
Whaaaaaat? That's the pay2learn he's talking about?
no, within the release of a new version of graal PC which has been under development for years stefan/unixmad decided to give everyone 2 weeks of free gold. but besides these 2 weeks you have to pay for a 1-month gold subscription

Shock 11-11-2012 02:01 AM
We all have our own opinions. This is a good debate, let's not send it into a full out flamewar. Relax.

Thunderstorm 11-11-2012 02:01 AM
There's no point in this thread except to join in and bash on the Era Staff now. Yes they're not doing this that, blah, blah, blah, we know that already and it's been like this for a while now, if you really had a problem with the lack of content, then why are you still here reading this post?

Welcome to the iGraal.

Also, Callimuc, why are you engaging in this topic? It was obvious bait for a flame war at the very start. Notice how you're the only one representing Era iPhone Staff here?

Pimpsy G. 11-11-2012 02:01 AM
I was pretty much done with pimpsys buns minus the scripts, I mean you can make all the graphics and tiles you want but what I found when I worked on iera was that it was really, really hard to get a group of people to work together on one project. Everyone had their own little side projects with a couple others helping periodically.

Dusty 11-11-2012 02:02 AM
Quote:
Posted by Higbey (Post 230940)
im talking about the snapshots, the beta releases each week, not the official updates,
Snapshots aren't updates, but prereleases/beta releases of updates. The only reason snapshots exist are for modders/artists to get a head start on updating their mods/texture packs. Most of the time snapshots aren't even stable enough to run a server with.

In fact Minecraft went like an entire year or so with only an update every couple of months... and most weren't very well received and lacked substantial content(they were bad enough to spawn mods like "Better than wolves"). It wasn't until Jeb was put in charge that updates picked up a bit.

Higbey 11-11-2012 02:03 AM
Quote:
Posted by Pimpsy G. (Post 230949)
I was pretty much done with pimpsys buns minus the scripts, I mean you can make all the graphics and tiles you want but what I found when I worked on iera was that it was really, really hard to get a group of people to work together on one project. Everyone had their own little side projects with a couple others helping periodically.
doesnt help some of those side projects are guilds.

callimuc 11-11-2012 02:04 AM
Quote:
Posted by Pimpsy G. (Post 230949)
I was pretty much done with pimpsys buns minus the scripts, I mean you can make all the graphics and tiles you want but what I found when I worked on iera was that it was really, really hard to get a group of people to work together on one project. Everyone had their own little side projects with a couple others helping periodically.
exactly. but if you are almost done, would you mind sending me the stuff (level names, location of sprites and stuff)? maybe i can find some time to do that

Skill 11-11-2012 02:06 AM
Riot games now doesn't release information about an update until it is ready to be released. Why? Because they don't want to release information on something that might be changed or abandoned.

XENA* 11-11-2012 02:06 AM
Yeah it would be great :) Pimpsy's bun really looked great.

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 02:08 AM
at least we are getting somewhere now. Thank you Pimpsey

BboyEatsbacon 11-11-2012 02:09 AM
Quote:
Posted by callimuc (Post 230943)
alpho is also doing a great job, sadly he seems busy with delteria.
If you guys ever need an extra NAT for a project, you know where I am =)

Thunderstorm 11-11-2012 02:11 AM
Quote:
Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230958)
at least we are getting somewhere now.
Tbh, this thread has gotten nowhere and will get nowhere. Except letting a few large Ego's shine there light. :rolleyes:

Shock 11-11-2012 02:11 AM
My question now is... Who are the current scripters, other than snk? If they're running guilds, I understand it's time consuming but when does the work get done? They must be very valuable as it is.

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 02:15 AM
Quote:
Posted by Thunderstorm (Post 230964)
Tbh, this thread has gotten nowhere and will get nowhere. Except letting a few large Ego's shine there light. :rolleyes:
?

Quote:
Posted by callimuc (Post 230954)
exactly. but if you are almost done, would you mind sending me the stuff (level names, location of sprites and stuff)? maybe i can find some time to do that
Quote:
Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 230960)
If you guys ever need an extra NAT for a project, you know where I am =)

callimuc 11-11-2012 02:16 AM
Quote:
Posted by Skill (Post 230955)
Riot games now doesn't release information about an update until it is ready to be released. Why? Because they don't want to release information on something that might be changed or abandoned.
well sadly some staff members are getting up big hopes of making the best update ever but than they resign or just give up on it.

Quote:
Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 230960)
If you guys ever need an extra NAT for a project, you know where I am =)
thought you are just online randomly on random servers o.O

Quote:
Posted by Shock (Post 230965)
My question now is... Who are the current scripters, other than snk? If they're running guilds, I understand it's time consuming but when does the work get done? They must be very valuable as it is.
Me (I do have a gang, but its for the private use; i am in one gang, but its not a base/spar/pk/...-based gang as i know; just have the tag on randomly), Alpho (not sure but i dont think so; but hes working on delteria) and Ziro (not too sure)

BboyEatsbacon 11-11-2012 02:18 AM
Quote:
Posted by callimuc (Post 230968)
thought you are just online randomly on random servers o.O
wat

Edit:

Oh, I was offering assistance just as another scripter, not as an actual staff member on iEra.


Edit-Edit:

I still don't get it.

Shock 11-11-2012 02:18 AM
And how much does it cost to learn/and where?

Sup3rn00b 11-11-2012 02:22 AM
I have a question. Dont take this offensively:
When was the last time you guys worked on ninja town?

BboyEatsbacon 11-11-2012 02:22 AM
Quote:
Posted by Shock (Post 230972)
And how much does it cost to learn/and where?
In the minority, it doesn't cost at all. In an overall, you're probably going to want to have an environment to test in, so you need to pay for Gold.

You can look up various guides for GS2 overall, though.

callimuc 11-11-2012 02:24 AM
Quote:
Posted by Shock (Post 230972)
And how much does it cost to learn/and where?
i think its about 3$ in the us. you can check several guides (sorry, but cant be bothered to get them all again) and learn it on RC (only obtainable with a gold subscription). when you are hired on an iPhone server, you wont have to pay for it anymore - you will get a free subscription

Quote:
Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 230970)
wat

Edit:

Oh, I was offering assistance just as another scripter, not as an actual staff member on iEra.


Edit-Edit:

I still don't get it.
tl;dr: i thought you quit graal and just check some servers randomly o.O

Quote:
Posted by Sup3rn00b (Post 230976)
I have a question. Dont take this offensively:
When was the last time you guys worked on ninja town?
no clue as it seems to be just 2-3 people doing it. never bothered to check it since they dont seem to need help and i'm focusing other stuff than

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 02:25 AM
Quote:
Posted by callimuc (Post 230978)
tl;dr: i thought you quit graal and just check some servers randomly o.O
he works for iZone :D


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:25 PM.
2 of 4 1 2 34
Show 50 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin/Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.