The point of that video was to prove that a player was using third-party programs to gain an unfair advantage on a PC server. This video does not belong here, nor does it serve a purpose. Normally, people do not just walk through swords because they are on a PC, but perhaps they time it correctly (which I like to do a lot.) The video does not prove your assumption that players become immune to damage once they hop onto a different device.

We like to watch our fellow guild members compete in GST tournaments and cheer them on, no matter what device they play on.

But seriously, how can you complain about speed and unfair advantages and not know what xSpeed is? x.x

I have never come across this in all my years of playing, including PC vs. iPhone, on both ends of the situation. I can actually present the same half-assed argument about iPhones walking through hitboxes with the same amount of evidence as you put out. Although, I don't present this as an argument because it would be dumb and easily disproven. It really just looks like people expect others to just agree with whatever their own opinion is on a topic nowadays.. x_x

Here's a tip for you :

People generally will just start ignoring your posts if to get your point across you have to yell at somebody. If you completely believed what you are talking about, and were confident in your knowledge on the subject you shouldn't get pissed off and start attacking people.

Oops. Why do I always reply to old messages....

That happens in iClassic just look at rezons video our first fight at the last hit

Watching the iphoners wasnt the point

If i was trying to speed up my pc maybe i would know what programs were out there for me to use but i rather just open fbgraal and playing it the way it is

Please give me an app on cydia that will be able to boost speed in game.
30% isn't noticeable, if so why haven't anyone complained about my speed while i was testing it for hours and hours. Don't call me stupid, i have been testing the speed hack on CheatEngine.

The reason why i think the browser boosts up the speed like of what cheat engine does it because I've seen a numerous complaints of unfair Speed hacking bans, just because of a browser, even the admins said he was sorry and explained why he was banned. What I'm guessing is that they built the system to ignore 1.0-1.3 because of browsers.

That concludes why PC is unfair, because of the speed they are getting from the browsers, and how easy it is to speed hack without getting noticed. Its not your fault.

PS, I'll be waiting for a Cydia app, because i can't find any, and i have searched

Maybe just maybe, PC players are better at sparring because most of them have been at it before iPhone servers even existed.

I don't need a tip, you can have it back

Anyone? Anyone at all?

This argument is toooo funny, I'm just gonna accept this thread as satire from here on. It's like Kobe, LeBron, Durant, and CP3 arguing with Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, and Darko Milicic about basketball.

I just can't accept that you think PC and iOS is equal in terms of sparring

I just can't accept that you think that yet continue to cry, whine, and complain rather than accessing the game by PC.

huh? I can't seem to understand your broken English. I have accessed the game by PC, what now?

Well then congratulations, you're now as inherently good as every other PC sparrer according to your terrible argument. Good work! Now why would you ever switch back to iDevice if you wanted to spar?

Why can't there be two servers so PC and iOS are seperate? But the server is exactly the same.

You've been playing long enough to know that it was already attempted.

Yes but why wasn't it kept?

It was just useless, less than 100 players online often and probably a hassle to keep running due to server resources, etc.

So it is fair for the other sparrers that are sparring with iDevice?

holy crap you're really dumb

Please explain. Or are you just saying that to help your Enguard **** buddy?

you're making us iDevice players look bad

Sorry?

Excuse me Mr Remorse, are you going to back up that statement or what?

iOS players have the advantage, there engine is much more efficient since the pc one runs on flash, and the pc one is extremely glitchy and barely supported nowadays, many new features like music blocks don't even work on pc.

no need.

Yes, i know of that. The app is still undeveloped, and its been like that for ages. But i still think it is much easier and smoother but in a cheaty kind of way, just because it is SO EASY to hack

Okay? Just go spar in Zone. You know nothing

Speak for yourself, ash.

I think we should have FB server back then all the problems will be sorted and threads/posts like this wont come up.

I honestly doubt that'll work.
The server barely managed to get 12+ people

What you're doing with your last statement is creating rules to the game that exist only in your mind. You didn't make the game. You don't make the rules. No one has to adhere to this fantasy land that you've conjured up in your mind where your opinion regulates what is and isn't fair in the game.

Anything the game allows is completely fair as long as it is consistent to all of the players. Every single player is allowed to access the game and spar by PC, and every single player is allowed to access the game and spar by iDevice.

It would be unfair if the staff only allowed certain players to play by PC.
Anyway, you don't refuse to spar on PC out of the goodness of your heart and to make it "fair," you refuse to spar on PC because you suck at, it or you don't have a PC, or you just don't want to win. Those are the only three reasons. Just be serious.

iDevice players (or at least you) cry that PC players have an advantage, and PC players can counter that by saying that you are disadvantaged. Does it make more sense for me to cripple myself and be a worse player (by your theory), or does it make more sense for you to bring yourself up the competitive level and play on the device that you claim has the advantage?

So, I'll say it again: If you truly believe that the PC is an advantaged device, you can either:

1. Play by PC
2. Improve as an iDevice sparrer
3. Continue crying

Your choice does not affect me at all and I will continue winning because I am a smarter and better player than you. I am raising my hands in victory right now at the thought of how much smarter and better I am than you. I feel like a superior human, far beyond your level of understanding, intelligence, and competitiveness. Defeating you in this conversation was as effortless as it'd be to defeat you in a spar. You are a terrible internet gaming peon who will never come close to me and I am disgusted that we even play the same game.

You don't understand what i'm trying to say. let me simplify it for you.

What i believe is that using a PC in a way is cheating for the majority of iDevice players. What i want is a fair game, not a game where i know I am going to win because i am on a PC, i have that speed boost, and apparently goes through swords.

I want to enjoy a game where i am versing a player that has the same device as me, so we can see who really is the best. That is why there is two 2 rooms for certain devices. For the mixed room, you cannot say you are the best because you are on a device that is unfair.

In conclusion, if you beat someone that is using an iDevice they have the right to complain that you are cheating because of the unfair terms. It is okay to verse someone that is using the same device as your self because it is in fair terms. When i get on my PC and go to Facebook and use the app Stefan made me, i go to the PC room where its equal and fair, even though i know i can easily beat someone that is using an iDevice and get a "unfair win"

I am simply playing fairly, not playing to win by cheating

Sparring threads are soooooo boring

btw Thallen. it is completely understandable that you play to win, and would do anything in order to do so.

Thallen you should try iDevice spar ^_^

Just gonna go ahead and requote this as Ash Ketchum clearly did not read and comprehend it since it has an answer to literally every single thing he said in his previous post. Gonna go win some spars now, catch you later!

I didn't answer it because i can't read your font. Change it pls

As someone who has been active on both, I don't think there's any real debate that sparring on Facebook is easier than sparring on an iDevice. It just is, and the amount of people that switched from poor iDevice sparrers to somewhat average Facebook sparrers is a good example of this. People suddenly having an easier ride for not using iDevices has created an iDevice elitism. It is understandable, given that this version originated as an iPhone game and still consists of a 90% iPhone playerbase -- there's only ever 100~ Facebook players online.

Thallen is correct though, but I don't think most people are understanding it. If you hold this belief that Facebook is easier, and own a PC which most people do, then the only thing that is stopping you from using it is yourself. Your own pride, I guess. It is a platform that is open to everyone and it is an intended part of the game. Things like the leaderboards are divided up so that skill is not being measured between the platforms. I don't understand what the problem is, nor why arguments on technicalities are being attempted. You're not forced to spar each other and you're only limited to what devices you own and your attitudes towards them.

The game is not intended for people on iDevices alone anymore. I don't like it much either, and I am known for sparring on Facebook, but that's just how it is.

I think we are talking about iDevice vs PC, PC can do movements which IPHONE PLAYERS CAN'T DO!.

Oh btw Rufus sort out the PC bug where they can arrow spam while dead at PK I reported this thousands of times but nothing happened, why?

Ths is probably because nobody who can act on feedback reads the feedback.

Pointless tool then lol.

I laughed way too hard at this.

I really don't understand how people enjoy sparring so much. The hit detection is so bad it's almost unplayable.

The hit detection isn't bad at all, it's just that many of the players and the server itself is often very laggy. What do you enjoy when playing Graal?

This is what happens when laggers think they're good.

http://puu.sh/20WmB

Your stupidity for taking me seriously is: Very High

The chance that you're serious because of how arrogant you're over an online game: Very high.

With his spar record, he has the right to be arrogant, js.

Ash Ketchum: "Hey guys, to prove my point pc players walk through spar hits, im going to completely neglect the fact that im defending the view of idevice vs PC and change it to PC vs PC. Hey, might as well change the server and the client too!"

I never said that there was no advantage to being able to strafe, I just said its pretty unnoticeable and nobody uses it. I also have no idea what that video is proving, you're just running around some noob. I also don't get what you mean by 'freezing your actions'. Being able to strafe like that doesn't render you invulnerable, someone can still hit you. As well, you can't swing while moving, just like in any other direction.

Unless you have proof that no one uses it I wouldn't say that. I have seen people use it and it is an annoying advantage to have. The video is just showing that it look likes. It's not about the spar itself

By "freezing my action" I was referring to holding the left and right key together to keep me in place. The strafing thing is a nice maneuver technique that can be used right before hitting someone and also a great way to fool to your opponent that you are coming his way.

EDIT: I just wanted to say what I had to say. I'm off to lunch now.

You can do this on an iPhone by pressing either the right or down arrows, and you can freeze by not pressing anything or a brief period of time.

Do you mean that the gani is different, and that makes it unfair? Would you rather the "idle" gani be used in the event of two or more arrow keys being pressed? That would require the player to stop and continue moving over and over as it is very easy to press more than one key when you aren't thinking about it. On the bright side, an iPhone does not have this problem, as one cardinal direction cannot be pressed at the same time as another. Therefore, the player seamlessly changes direction and virtually covers more distance over a period of time than a PC player would.

In this case, techniques are different, as some things are possible on PC that aren't on iPhone, and some are possible on iPhone that aren't on PC. In my opinion, the general iPhone advantages tend to point towards offensive movement and evasion... But that's just my experience.