uh yes... im talking about graphics from other games.

seemed a little familiar

http://www.mapletip.com/maplestory-e...20Halo/1002367

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http://www.mapletip.com/maplestory-e...nos%29/1002467

oh yeah the goat one, I'm surprised they didn't rip off the other ones

gobal head. not sure the source. always found this one strange

Lol wow, there's actually so many rip-offs of Maplestory hats.

Well guys, its up to you. Either we email classic staff to remove the hats, or ultimately screw over the game we play by emailing nexon, etc. It's up to you guys, I honestly don't care.

Also, those are barely as obvious as the flower one. The flower is a direct copy + paste, lol.

If you look at the pictures, the image is obviously supposed to look like the graphics, but wasn't stolen. You can't just copy and paste an image onto a hat template. You need the various dimensions. Although, I must say it is an amazing reconstruction. Well done to whoever did it.

The halo isn't specifically owned by Maple Story, and in many games there are items that resemble this. It's not like Maplestory is the sole owner of golden glowing Halos.

Are you talking about the flower?

I think he's referring to the goat.

Not directly, if you notice the pedals, they're facing a different way then the Maple Story hat. Also, the shading on the inside of the flower is slightly different. Like Emera said, they're great recreations.

No, it is stolen. They took it, flipped it horizontally and resized it 75%. Then they touched it up.

This hat was uploaded a long time ago when rules were much more lenient. Currently my staff and I do our best to make sure stuff like this doesn't get uploaded anymore. To the point that I double check all player submitted things and do refunds if things do slip past. But as Fp4 mentioned. It is hard to know 100% of all things that have ever been made, but we try.

It's not like they care. If you know anything about Maple Story, you'll know this is a fact.

Anyone else notice the red holiday hat (first hat) looks like the same hat Santa wears? CONSPIRACY!!#$@!

Imma laugh when some fat guy in Alaska sues graal for copyright infringement.

Oh and of course whenever something happens youve got to come along and make a stupid joke, look at how trigger actually talks about the situation and tries to explain and solve conflict. All you do is make some post trying to make anyone who brings up a problem in graal look like a moron. Some times I agree with you and like you Nick, but when you act like this it makes me think your not even willing to talk or deal with problems in graal, because to you everything is whining about trivial matters.

If your going to make a joke at least try to make some serious content to your post that actually helps.

aren't you going to tell us how copyright works again?

Or better yet... make it funny!

This trolling is annoying :(




Anyways...I posted this thread to bring awareness to the admins of graal, if they would like to take action, remove it. If they don't, it doesn't really matter. But for a FACT, the flower looks 100% identical, besides a little re-sizing.

They shouldn't remove them or else we'd be out gralats. If anything just update the hats into something entirely different from the maple story ones so we don't get ripped off.

Very good suggestion.

As for removing them at this point, we'd get a massive amount of more hate from people who already bought the hat and liked it. So the only thing that can really be done is have the files tweaked later on

I think the suggestion to remove the hat was referring to the actual image, not the hat itself. That would be dumb.

Nexon doesn't do **** about anything, they have gold sellers that have made over 3 million in a year on their game Vindictus, profits that could of been theirs by nx purchases. Oh and people's emails are getting hacked by the goldsellers to spam peoples contacts, and they still haven't done anything. They're not gonna sue over 1 hat on 1 game.

Doesn't matter if they'll do anything, it matters if the staff here do anything. If they're going to sit and treat the game like a business then they need to start acting like a business and dealing with these problems regardless of the "threat level."

Its still considered a minor threat and even the smallest of threats could create damage to the game. Its not only 1 hat by the way but alot of hats/heads/bodies that puts Graal Classic in a "Danger" state right now

it would only be a threat to Graal if Nexon saw it as a threat to their profits. Believe it or not Nexon is more greedy than Stefan but I doubt they would ever sue Graal

They won't get sued, Nexon is probably like "what's a Graal?"

I still don't get how some say stefan is greedy when it's clear enough that there's a free version of graal and a paid app version and you don't suffer with monthly subscription fee like graal pc?

However back on topic this hat was long made before on pc graal version infact i seen it on zodiac once already. don't blame the staff if they are unaware what maple story is..

i just wanna see graal get in some big-boy trouble.

Good idea! Then the server will be shut down and we can't play anymore.

I think you guys still don't understand the concept of copyright material.

Allot of people have made viral videos on youtube that has allot of copyright content but as long as they don't sell a product that doesn't theme with such content then there's no legal battle to be fought. Prime example smosh they make fun of pokemon and made a big youtube hit now say if they were to just slap on a regular pikachu w/o some sort of editing then it would break terms as to where copyright content would cause them some big trouble.

http://legacy-cdn.smosh.com/merch/im...emon-shirt.jpg

In-fact they just edit what was already there and made something else and they are allowed to sell it without any issue.

now you kiddies trying to relate to graal online where a hat has been shrunk to size,edited for a graalian head and sells on classic for gralats which is free by bush farming? You guys need to sort out your hatred between getting your application revoked or just stop trying to hate/toll and move on.

I completely agree with you, I was simply was just pointing something out, or bringing awarness to the graal community. I never wanted another flame war to erupt...

Actually just because no money is being exchanged doesn't mean they can't enforce copyright.

And yes, these resized and edited hats from other games are big deals, not only legally(and if they'd do anything) but to the integrity of the game. Where will we draw the line then?

Also, do you think throwing around words like "kiddies" will make you seem more mature and thus more wise on the subject?

Well i believe you are the same dusty from main servers Dustyporviva? something along that line. You should know better than anyone else since the days of doomsday that alto of copyright material has been uploaded to graal some that we clearly miss and some that doesn't show up until a year or so. But starting a flame war hatred on graal isn't the way to go about it. And there's tons of reason i say kiddie cause the cold and harsh matter of fact is i deal with allot of people whom are both mature and kids who doesn't really have an understanding to why things are they way they are. So my little nickname for them are kiddies who need to learn and adapt.
Personally we should be setting and example instead of joining?

The truth about everything is there's even certain rules that applies to people whom upload content on graal and it's not to say that the guideline simply states that the person should know a bit about anime and cartoon. But that doesn't mean if they miss a graphics such as the maple story hat then all of graal get flame for it? How will we ever stop people from uploading copyright material can you sit there and tell me if you were in a position to upload you won't miss one?

Just state that the hat is from another game/content and ask someone to simply report that it needs to be remake. That's like saying pixeljoint needs to be shutdown for people showing of there pixel art that has allot of copyright content.

I don't think anyone here is starting a flamewar, but simply a discussion about copyright.

Also, I'm well aware about other servers uploading copyrighted content, and I have never agreed with it. It has actually never been tolerated, but the problem is no one cared enough to do anything about it.

My stance is simply that no one should turn a blind eye to it, not that we need to form a super anti-copyright brigade over it. If someone reports a copyrighted image, then the administration should look into it and take it seriously. That's it. I'm simply against the attitude that "it's just one small image" or "it's Graal, who cares!?" for dealing with it. Graal has reached a much broader audience now and should take this more seriously. If someone was persistent then Apple could step in and they don't have to be reasonable. If they feel you're violating copyright laws, whether you actually are or not, they can pull the app. It's their rules and their judgement, so they should tread more carefully.

The fact that players here are looking at this as some sort of flamewar is a bit funny, as it shows no one here actually knows what a flamewar is.

Well that's a little more reasonable.. Long as they get copyright feed back from players it shall be taken care of :)

Not omg i love to see graal get hit by the big boys?
That's showing they care less for original content.

I think people who are posting that are just showing their discontent with Eurocenter, and implying they deserve it(they kind of do).

Wasn't this game originally called "Zelda Online" and used the exact tiles used in one of the gameboy versions of Zelda? It's ironic how much they arn't learning from the past. This has been brought to their attention, are they going to upload new hats in their place?

Zelda Online was what it was a very long time ago. Back then it was also just a fangame, not making any profit at all. No one knows exactly why it went from Zelda Online to Graal Online(Stefan denies Nintendo ever contacting them about it). Also, Graal Online never profited until 2001 when Pay to Play was introduced. Bringing the past into this really doesn't make much of a point, as it was a totally different situation back then.

Bringing it up makes complete sense considering you just said he "claims" they were never contacted by Nintendo. My main point was that i assumed they had copyright issues.

OR
Nexon: "Those Graal players are probably like, What's a Nexon?"

Not at all, lol. Nexon is a large game company compared to graal....

http://resource.mmgn.com/pwnage/user_14440_5B3EBSLK.jpg

i know this x-x

Except back then it was Stefan making his own game with no player content at all and not selling it, just doing it for fun. Now it's Stefan making a game as a form of living and selling it to a large market base(iPhone market), and most of of the content(nearly ALL of it) being made and monitored via unpaid players. It's kind of two very different scenarios.

Not to mention that panda shield that sits there saying things is so ripped off.
I used to play that, then i realized it was BS and quit.

Not the point i was making at all. I was just pointing out the irony of the copyright issues of the past and present.

the flower and pirate hat have been fixed. this thread should be closed.

Lol I like the new pirate hat:3