I hope you know I have worked the most besides rammy(design) I was recommended level admin by noofboy go back and check the staff list buddy. Also I have all rights to share any idea.I work on Dev Bensor, Graal Amazon and Dev Dj. I have all rights to say what I want. You don't know me because im not about fame, I like what I do as LAT and being a LAT admin doesn't matter either.

Exactly ^^^

All im saying is you dont work on graal amazon...and dev servers dont really count i have worked on official servers/ios servers,and im not saying you are wrong about the gp thing i have no idea why we have gps either,and you arent even in the skype chat,every staff member is in skype chat...

He never said it was about fame. That's kind of low to demean someone that allegedly works for you, and claims they don't do it for fame.

I'd find out one hundred percent that he doesn't work for you, before doing anything stupid.

The reason why I haven't bothered applying is because the server sounds like chaos, with all the unorganization and the staff members disagreeing/fighting. This is why you wait until announcing a server.

Actually you are right I am not in the Skype chat,I asked TD when he was afk to add me and never did ask Brayden he hired me. I asked him to add me to the chat but he couldn't because he WASNT on pc. I am not interested In iOS servers. Dev servers are way better because you can actually help and not sit around finding hackers.

This is a stupid arguement,I am done arguing. If you really think I'm not staff ask Brayden or lollipop. I'm done arguing because I know what I'm staff on and what I do.

Hello guys,
I find it very immature to fight over an open thread... Well, goofy and all the rest repeating about having GPs... The statement has ben answered before please read before you react :D Also, goofy you indeed work for the server but you do not have a skype account... That is propably the reason you were ''ignore''. However, instead of trash talking about your own server you could very easily privately message me... Anyways, after that i dont believe you will be part of the team for much longer...

Well actually I've had my Skype acc since like 2009 I don't have many of you add besides Brayden the doctor a maybe a few more. I don't care if I was not put in it but I was told by I guess another staff member that I'm not staff. I have all rights to speak ideas and thots and say what I want. I was told I'm not needed well I am needed just as much as everyone else. Also daphine girl or whatever I've never heard of you.

This thread is very entertaining.

You weren't added to the group chat by the one hired, the rest of the staff team is not responsible... Also, not knowing me shows that you actually do not know much about the server :) So please either private message one of the high rank staff members or please just end this here... Trashing a server is easy and done by many people, if you wanted to be a part of this server the behaviour you showed here is definitely not a match in the excellent and friendly climate of our server.
Thank you for your time

I find it very immature to fight over an open thread...

It was never answered; only justified. The point everyone is trying to make is that your average player count is very small, maybe once you get closer to an official release you can start hiring GPs but speaking from experience there is no point hiring so many GP staff. I understand you deeply care about the server but when it's in development is there even anything to police? I'm sure you may have one or two small problems but it should be nothing more than what a dev can handle.

I don't do much. What have you done as a GP. I've never seen you on. I ruined none of the server. Really the GPS did because people say they aren't needed ad they aren't so they think the high ranked admins are dumb for that. If I get fired for this it gives me more time to do other things because I have work to do unlike you because youre a GP on a Dev server.

I'm not trying to fight about it I just don't want to see you fall into the trap of hiring unseeded staff too early.

Well, lets deal this once and for all...
The reasons why we have hired 3 GPs will be listed below, please read the carefully and insert it in your mind once and for all:
-We need forum admins for our private forum. All gps that have been hired have gold accounts so we had nothing to loose, instead staff of other positions will concentrate more on their job rather than this job.
-Gps are needed to review and contact applications'
-Gps are responsible in posting important updates on graalians, our private forum, as well as all group chat created on Skype.
-All gps are very experienced and know much about organising servers and since they do have a gold account they can help greatly.
-The gps already hired will be responsible for the advertising that will happen gradually through Facebook, forums, graal etc.
If you do not find the reasons good enough, we are too sorry to not reach your expectations but this is the way we will keep things :)
Once again, thank you all for your interest and please keep feed backing on a positive manner, if possible!

Graal Police are a team of staff on a playerworld who enforce the rules and maintain order on the server. There is no need for them on a development server, the point still stands. You say you have nothing to lose, you have your reputation. To me it sounds like a stereotypical wannabe iPhone server.

I've seen so many servers follow the theme of what your trying to do and achieve, all good servers really need a well thought out plan. From what has been said the server doesn't have one and doesn't seem to haves anything special to really differentiate itself from other severs, I hope I am wrong but I really cannot see this server been able to attract some of the few players who play graal PC.

Even though the server is still being developed we do want to become a iOS server. This is a very long-term goal but yes if ''wannabe iPhone server'' is the way you call it i i will have to agree :D However, i will have to disagree with you on one point... Graal Amazon is quite different to most servers. The theme is that every new player will be a lost sailor reaching an island... Most of the island will be jungle but the island will develop gradually as player count increases and players become more experienced. There will be quests and possibly careers. I am really sorry but i dont find any other server to have such a theme... Delteria is the closer it gets.

Well of course not the sailors and island and such but the general ideal f having quests, mounts, alliances and general stuff like that. Of course it's no exactly the same but neither is zone or era however people still complain about them been so identical. My point was mainly directed at the fact that the most important thing to do before but in a server is to have a plan instead of just making it up as you go along; which is exactly what sounds like is going on.

My plan seems to be the same from the time i posted the thread until now :) Way to go jumping into conclusions!

I don't real feel like getting into an argument about this, I can't see the server going anywhere and you as the staff team should have a clear direction of where you want to go. I hope you can prove me prove but I highly doubt it, I wish you the best of luck however ^_^

What plan? I hate to burst your bubble here but having the setting of a desert island and the idea of quests, careers is a start but is no where near detailed enough to actually go anywhere.

More detail will be added later on the development of the server, i find it pretty straight-forward that one can't jump into conclusions that everything is achievable. We do not want to promise things that might not happen and i find this reasonable enough...

You should plan a server in serious detail before releasing it, I know you might want to show off your server but you've missed major details in planning. The server has no point.

This server idea has been attempted several times before the foremost I can call to mind being Oasis. I've also seen better servers, in organization, theme, and whatnot fail. From what has been displayed on this thread, you aren't going to be getting anywhere fast.

I'd recommend that first, you fix your staff team. As said several times before, GPs are not needed on a server this early in development. GP stands for Graal Police. The duty of Graal Police is to police something, basically deal with playerbase issues. Y'all don't even have a playerbase. Maybe look into transferring them into an Idea Management Team, a Storyline Creating Team, or an Advertisement Coordination Team. However, they shouldn't be GPs. You're using the wrong terminology, because what your "GPs" are doing, isn't what GPs are supposed to do.

Secondly, do some development before bringing it to the public. If you talk big words but haven't even got a rough sketch to show, this happens. Having worked on several UC servers, I've learned that you don't go to the public unless you've either, almost finished the server, or got some amazing things to show.

Thirdly, get this thread deleted and clean up your act. Your presentation is a mess and the way you handle the situation is repulsive. Sure you put a few smilies, and speak cheerfully, but your overall attitude is condescending and you refuse to listen to potential players.

^^^^ Perfectly said.

That was a fun read.

When I saw Graal Amazon I thought of a marketplace like Amazon.com or eBay for Graal...

This is what this server should do.

^^^

I wonder why she's so adamant about GPs...

Funny thing is she's trying to get hired on iZone as a GP or now...Zone Patrol. She claims to only be using Graal Amazon to get to learn the RC. Given how she's handling this situation I wouldn't count her chances of hiring very high, I can tell you that.

Honestly, I don't think this server will get anywhere. Ill list some reasons. 1. Almost all of the people on your staff list i have ever heard of, all work for zone. Then the ones who don't, seem quite immature. (i.e. goofy, andrew, daphne) Goofy can barely speak english, and I had a hard time understanding him. Andrew, was asking if another staff member worked on the server on an open thread for all too see instead of privately pming him, and daphne seems to shut down anyone who has a condescending thought about her gp's or future of the server. This is silly as gp's are not needed for any dev server, even if they have to "advertise". Basically, you have nothing to advertise and have already caused alot of flame wars going on. 2. Your server is a basic outline of every other server, with a twist. You arrive on an island, and then player will shape the future of the game as it develops. You don't even know what activities players will have, what main theme the server is (pk, spar, chatting, questing). Any single one of those ideas, will have a long time of prep, and even longer without any certain goal. You shoulf be setting plain ideas down for your team to develop. For example, have you got a tileset, do you have a theme of the graphic style you want, or an outline of the gmap for LAT's to follow? (I would start with those). 3. You say your way of working with GPs and way of developing is working, but what exactly do you have? I have not seen anything in this thread that is close to an idea of the servers outcome; all i have seen is a LOT of people trying to advise you to do it right, and you basically say "I'm right, your wrong" with a couple of smilies. I would close this thread, get your server together, and put this together with some proper organization.

Actually i have worked on many servers in the past and im not immature,what i dont get is why you and the rest of the people are telling us what we should do with our server.we have a good plan and we have stuff built and we have alot already,we know the server plan and what we plan on doing with the server....we are in early development,yes but we have everything we need planned out.So it would be appreciative if you could not tell us how our server will end up or what we should do with it,your comments mean nothing because yo have no idea what the server actually looks like.Also last time i checked you couldn't see the future.And you are saying that she is saying she is right and you guys are wrong? Ou and the rest of them have been doing that since the post came up,you guys are saying you have nothing better to do than sit here and be negative,if you have nothing good to say dont say anything at all.

Hahaha... this is fun! Anyways, since i see this is an open attack against me i will not hesitate and do something i wouldn't usually. To begin, Imprint and the rest saying i am so adamant about the Gps, i can assure you all that even if we stopped gps i would still have a position as Lat:) Instead, i am so adamant about Gps because i do believe and so do most, if not all, of the staff that work on Graal Amazon that we should have them. Also, 99% what i feel is most immature is post this on an open forum... Also, i am really interested on the position, but i didn't apply for this position so yeah... Thank you all for repeating again and again that gps are not necessary but this is the way it is! Anyways if you are SO keen in trying to change this please contact one of the higher staff members.

99% = 100% Troll

Anyways, leave them alone. Let them manage their server in the way they want to, if you don't want to help them, shut the **** up and get out already.

He's trying to help, me and him have worked on so many similar dev servers. We were both talking earlier that we've seen so many servers go down the same path and fail so miserably... They're just wasting there time, they will regret it after.

What he said is 99% true though.

Your really showing yourself and up to be unprofessional...

That's not the way you help. Also, I wasn't pointing at him only, but at the people who need to ask why there are GPs if the server is under construction after that question was already answered.

I think the best thing to happen is this thread to be closed and have graal amazon come back when they have something to show, instead of having a thread full of arguments

I get how they don't want ideas and think that the server is good. But ik I'm a staff member too but no one listens to me on Skype. Everyone on the forums is a player in some way. They can help give you ideas to make the server better. 99% said what needed to be said. If it stays like this players will believe the server is managed terribly. You should actually listen more to the players. Those players are going to play your server and if it keeps staying like this, a rumor will spread saying we have bad management. I get how I was immature for fighting over an open thread but no one listens on Skype like I said. All of the GPS we have are very experienced but shouldn't be known as Graal Police. Like 99% said it, Graal Police's Job is to "police" the server and/or keep the server safe. Not mess with scripts or anything like that. That is my thoughts of the server and what should happen. Like I said I'm sorry for fighting over an open thread. :)

All I can really say at this point, is that even if Graal Amazon was to turn out being the best server Graal has ever seen, I'd still be disgusted by it, thanks to the way staff, mostly Daphne, have handled this thread.

Graal Amazon seems more pathetic to me than Atrius right now. And that's saying a lot. Sorry, but this is what you've lead me and I'm assuming quite a few others to view the server like.

You're kinda being a ****. Their server and administration obviously has its faults, but at the end of the day they're developers just like you and you should be nicer to them.

MattKan dont worry about him he is the pathetic one no lifeing this thread 99% a stalker.

Way to represent your team in a good way. now I definitely would like to play this server.

Please don't call people names or say something bad to them. Especially players.

Lol, the staff are fighting. The players are fighting. Everyones fighting.

He's just been honest. What's the point on saying the server is good and will succeed?

Well, whats the point of calling names and attacking a server and its staff ?

In easier words Daphne. No one will want to play, they are trying to make your server better but you won't listen.

In easier words Goofy. Thank you for your criticism, please learn to be more respectful.

Sorry, but i never called anyone a name. Nor did i mess up none of the server. But you're welcome?

I agree. If he's going to be a troll -trying to gain posts by spamming our threads and discouraging staff- we might as well ignore him.
It doesn't server a purpose to drag ourselves down to his level.

It's called arguing :shy:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/argue

I just read all of this. Damn, this is better than most of what's on TV! Anyways, why the hell are the staff arguing publicly on their issues if they have a Skype chat for that? I'm no psychiatrist, but I can tell you it's to get attention. And it worked! Read the last few pages. Unfortunately it isn't the good attention you want to draw to your server. Instead, you're setting a bad name to your business and you haven't even opened up yet. If you has issues, which you all clearly seem to have, you should settle them privately and more maturely rather than openly where everyone can see it. If all the employees at Microsoft went for a free for all outside on the streets with their name tags and uniforms and all, they're representing their company in a bad way. Even though their product may be good, their company looks bad because of it and in return less people want to buy from them.

Edit: In short, keep your issues to yourselves.

A troll:
A person who feeds off the anger of others as he enrages them over the internet.

Lol I just found that on urban dictionary but whatever.

What he's doing isn't been a troll, I don't understand why you think its spam when it's on topic.

I don't think urban dictionary is a reliable source, but that's not the point.
I never said it was "spam", he's enraging our staff. How does Daphne's iZone Application have anything to do with our Server? You tell me.
He's just trying to get her to respond by posting useless **** that has nothing to do with the thread=troll.