Awesome, thanks. Copy/pasting this in right now.

This thing popped 4pg in two days so i skimmed over most.
@Thallens reply to my post: I say this wont make more people participate in spar PK BK because the only people who dont already are people that arent interested in any combat activity on graal. A hat for a goal that takes ~9mo to get to wont motivate people who dont enjoy these activities to begin with. Sure, we may see more sparrers around the overworld pking, and some pkers may hit the spar caves; but the masses in graal city wont care.

to those arguing this will "promote competition:" I dont want to compete with people who are only pking / sparring for the hats (people who wouldnt be if there werent incentive). Theres plenty of competition that I am happy to compete with who enjoy pking / sparring.

If for some reason this actually goes through, I at least suggest the goals be non-linear.

Telling from Dustys post^ i think both of his posts here were trolls

1 million.
Lolololol

I dont remember hats just the skull skeleton and the black horse

Everytime you rage you lose swag points playa :D

Thats how i felt when noobs started mobing MoD just for the incentive of being in my beloved leaderboards lol :P then i realized i was nobody to decide how people enjoyed the game.

ROFL

I don't rage, I express.

Btw, sorry for disappointing you, Rufus :(.

You missed my point. My point was any average player would most likely not be able to make it on to a guild's spar team that is able to be in the tournament to begin with. So it's mostly the same ppl getting those unique items that you can only get for being in the gst's to begin with.

I completely agree with Goat on this. Like I said in my last post I don't think Sparrers need more rewards,and that was where I was meaning to direct my post towards. IMO the ones that do spar or would be eligible for the spar hats as Thallen suggests all ready get the rewards for participating in and winning the gst's. Also I thought they all ready hand out hats to guilds for hitting so many spar wins as a guild? I could be wrong on that.
I do agree that it would be ok to hand out hats or what ever item for reaching individual milestones that don't include sparring. However,Idk about the seasonal competitions tho I would like to see it in action first and see how it goes.

I do really like the idea of more categories than just sparring,towering,pking,bking. Like bug catching, but then it seems like it would be more like an achievement system like Rufus trolled us with awhile back.

In any case I think you can't do something like this anyways because of boosting/cheating,and if you could you would have to find away to start everyone on an even field to get those rewards. Like Goat was saying it would be unfair for players specially noobs, for players to start out having all ready met the requirements and would automatically get 5-6 hats. So unless you can refine a rewards system to do this to eliminate boosting/cheating,and make it fair and even for everyone my answer remains a solid NO on this.

"BOOSTING IS SUCH AN ISSUE I SWARE IT WILL KILL ICLASSIC" - iClassic community
can't take you guys seriously

LETS ALL GO BUG HUNTING BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW HOW TO PK AND CANT SPAR

Seasonal competition would still be unfair on the newer players perhaps even more unfair.

lol damn noobs how dare they not know how to press the sword button. collecting bugs requires more skill than noob pkg(going into a crowded place to spam your sword).


a new player can join today and get 500+ pks. bk and bug collecting aint hard to learn. spar would be the only hard one for new players but graalians dont spar until they reach phase 4 of their evolution anyways so it doesnt matter.

I have 30 thousand total spar wins... I never got a hat from gst at all. It'd be kind of nice to get a reward for all my work, I bet other sparrers would agree, as well as pkers and bkers. You can't spar? You obviously could if you tried.

FP4 just replied to my leaderboard remodel plan saying they'll try it out: http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...673#post459650

That leaderboard compliments this rewards system (at least for sparring), because it promotes activity more than just honoring who "the best" sparrer is.

So basically, for those of you who don't see yourself as great sparrers but still spar very actively and try your best, you'll actually be able to compete for leaderboard positions and get rewarded for sparring more.

I still don't think its good to give out rewards for spar wins or pks. In both areas players can take advantage of boosting and would at least be able to unfairly be able to get the rewards. But when it comes to stuff like bk's and bug collecting they can't be abused by "boosters" so I would be more willing to except a rewards system for those.

It seems like this thread has become more about getting even more rewards for sparring and not really about rewards for doing other things at all. Like I said before it would need to be even all the way across the board and IMO it would be to difficult to accomplish that.

If someone is caught boosting, they'll most likely be punished. I don't think you pay attention to the PK leaderboards but there was this one girl ALWAYS having 1000~ kills everyday, and this was several hours after the leaderboards resets for the day.

Oh yes. Because tower guilds NEVER cheat or lag block for hours, that's unheard of!

Also, boosting in spar is fairly easily caught, just saying.

Zone takes skill, because you need to learn the strengths and weakness' of a weapon.
Era- pfft, $200, I got me a BAR!
Classic is very balanced. Everyone has the same ability.

LETS ALL JUST QUIT SPAR AND PK AND FOCUS ON TOWERING BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY THING IN THIS GAME THAT IS LEGIT!! not lol

It's the most conventional.

boosting was only a problem in your "glory day" of 2010 when you could pause-boost yourself at Sardon's and Angel Clan spars and spar/PK in guild houses for stats

you're so thirsty to point blame at people that boosting has been diluted to a term that you use when people pick and choose their spars
that isn't boosting, that's just being a *****

PKing in a mob isn't boosting either
neither is throwing bushes at people
or arrowing the hell out of people
maybe you don't personally support it, but it isn't boosting

boosting hasn't been a problem since then so stop even bringing it up
if it ever did become a problem, it's very easily taken care of

there's 3 cases of boosting in spar that even comes to my mind in the past year:

• Bundy forcing some noob to pause against him over and over in the PC room to try and break a streak record, which he was punished for
• Carly boosting wins when no one was at the arena because of the Halloween event, which was insanely obvious and reported
• Eko, Dae, and whoever else pathetically abusing the old points system to try and reach an unattainable number of spar points, which me and Sarah eventually beat without cheating anyway

all 3 instances are blatant and obvious, screaming "catch me"

if you really want to get into a conversation about boosting then make a new thread and talk about Shinta's race to 10k or SiBER requiring that all members of his guild give him 10 free wins per day

get off the subject because you're trying to scapegoat it to prevent a good thing from happening

Agree with thallen, Boosting has been around forever. Why mention it now?because people are trying to improve the game & they come up with ideas that you don't like?

Staff going to add spar/pk/bk hats anytime soon?

it'll probably take them some time to get the hats done and stuff, though any details would be cool so that people know what's in store
if they're actually gonna follow through on this, maybe they should accept hat submissions like they did on Christmas, IDK

Do you have any idea if they have plans for this?

FP4 replied in this thread with "we'll do it," so that's about it

Well. That's good enough for me xD

i think they could re-use the 10k red china hat and maybe let people send in hat submissions for the other milestones

comment passing through, feel free to dissect and flame.
i used to be totally against bringing back spar hats, now i guess i changed my mind and i'm okay with it, except there is this one huge problem. with todays graphic artists, the milestone hats are going to be hot pink bears with "spar" written on them in lime green. hats are useless. i'd recommend statues but that won't really work either. so my only recommendation for an award would be just your name on a list of everyone to ever achieve your amount of statistics. pretty lame i know. like the books in the library without an end.
there is nothing i could come up with that actually sounds appealing and would actually work out.
if this is implemented, an award per 10k spar wins sounds fitting, but 100k pks? that's crazy. that's like saying that i can get 8 pks during one of my spars, and my spar matches end pretty fast. an award per 75k pks sounds better. an award for baddy kills should not be implemented as it is a useless stat, i don't know why this is a thing. if there is a baddy killing award, might as well give this ufoburan scrub awards too.

for old hat or no hat debate, look here:
http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...highlight=kain
also an example of people boosting for hats, although i agree they don't really exist anymore. sparring bad people for easy wins though, ya, but who cares about that issue besides me?

maybe they could ask shane to make a few hats, his hats are pretty well made.

Classic should get a gas mask.
Then everyone will rage.

Just going to comment on this, 100k pks isn't really difficult to get, or really that impressive. It mainly just takes a lot of time. A hat for that many isn't that ridiculous

if hats are the reward for spar wins they better post them on the forums and get our input before making us wear their ugly trash.

Can we all just be satisfied with the thought that we finally accomplished an online goal?

my thought process with 1 spar win being equal to 10 PKs is the fact that you can actually lose a spar, so it's not really as guaranteed a stat as when you run into a mob spamming your sword

IDC about the numbers though, and as far as hats go I don't really care for them either but I know the rest of the community does in a majority

also wouldn't really care if BKs weren't included in this since they've been boosted so hard and the current numbers make it hard to gauge what's worth rewarding

This would be nice to be added I guess. Wouldn't mind it, but it wouldn't impact me that much considering I only wear about 5-7 hats anyway. It wouldn't affect my drive to play either. I can't really see why this got so much attention but eh who knows.

Two words:
Hats

bumpin this thread back up

WE WANT HATZ

HATS HATZ HETZ

hats xDDD

bump

will spar hats be implemented anytime soon?

We wants da hats

Srsly someone tell us when we Gettin these xD

pls

Because those other hats just weren't enough.

I want Easter trophy :) but spar hats is a good decision it had no reason to be gone! That's like deleting towers

thallen gtfo
gst hats are enough

I don't think you understand that it's more about commemorating and encouraging activity to reach the milestone and the achievement, not the "hat" itself. Don't blame me for pointing towards the only reward on the game that you nerds seem to value.

We're the nerds? Lmao.

What about, oh I don't know, a special action?