Viper is a damn commie. Looks like he needs some murica

Yeah I'm sure the evil and incompetence that will be coursing through his veins will be great. Keep the "murica" stuff to yourself. Any country that gives $3.1 billion USD to an apartheid state that doesn't need it instead of spending it on it's own people is no country at all.

Politicians don't fight for Americans they fight for AIPAC and large American industries.

The Republicans are trying to impeach the President!

FAILURE COUNTRY.

Can we not insult others on this thread and stop making assumptions on people? It makes this thread feel less informative to read when people are insulting others logic just because they have opinions- such as that the US education system is supposedly trash. That is an opinion/personal experience, is not relevant, and it is not an appropriate way to try to shoot down someones comments.

To the recent posts: I would just like to state America has it's good points and bad points. Sure, we have had our fair share of humane rights violations mostly associated with our removal of Native Americans, Internment Camps for Japanese during WW2, and yes many could say that some of our recent wars have just been wars for oil which could partially be proved true.

However, America is not a dictatorship of any kind. Last time I checked, a dictator would not allow you under any circumstances to have an array of rifles and shotguns including a Barrett 50 Cal. inside of your personal household- in which my family can completely legally do so without issues.

I am not hating on anybody else's country because it seems they all of our countries are going to have major flaws, I know plenty of flaws that exist in the US- but it doesn't mean we are a "fail country" :) The world is a different place in this modern age and infrastructure is much more delicate with the evolution of the media and the internet. Governments have changed all over the world and it isn't my favorite thing to see, but there has to be a point where you can understand where they are coming from. We have a threat of nuclear/chemical war that we all have to be sensitive about and learn how to keep anyone from pulling those triggers.

Thats actually all going to change with the 28th ammendment that states companies and industrys will not be recongized as people.

LET'S JUST GET THIS STRAIGHT:
If Hamas stops firing rockets all of this will end.

This is very true. They act like the victims but they caused the trouble there now by digging those tunnels and firing those rockets.

It's so sad... But Israel is showing that it can protect its people. This all started from those 3 murders of Israel Children now thousands of innocent Palestinians and being killed. The worst part is, those Palestinians have NOWHERE to go. They are TRAPPED it's horrible. IDF should back off they've done enough damage

I agree

So America is doing bad?

Not like the rest of the world is doing any better.

I'm thinking most if not all of you should stfu about the mistakes of nations and start thinking about how the world can fix itself.

Hamas shooting rockets in my opinion is somewhat justified. I don't want to see any Israeli civilian killed (even though they cheer when Innocent Palestinians are killed). I do however believe that the humanitarian situation in Gaza is appalling and Israel's right wing government is doing nothing to alleviate the pain of the Gazan people. I'm also particularly saddened with the Egyptian government's stance on the whole ordeal. El-Sisi gave the blessing for Israel to invade Gaza. Israel's invasion has only strengthened support for the Qassam brigades who have thus far killed 50-something Israeli soldiers.

One thing I think of when I think of Israel is something from the Bible. Revelation 2:9.

"I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."

We know who the Synagogue of Satan is. I don't need to say it.


Norway, Finland are good examples of what America should strive to be.


The Israeli army has said a lone cell killed those three boys. It wasn't Hamas. Israel is pathetic. They have one of the greatest armies yet they're killing all civilians. This is systematic genocide. Hamas doesn't use people as human shields. There is no evidence to back that up.


They've been the victims. Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison. It's blockaded by Israel and Egypt. But why listen to me? Hear it from a Gazan teen.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/30/u2y7egag.jpg


I hope. Then we'll just need to rid America of AIPAC and then the true freedom the founding fathers spoke of can be known to the masses.

Yeah they shouldn't take 3 murders of Israel children out on thousands of people. Especially those who can't even defend themselves.

I agree that it's a genocide

Nah all the damage has been delt.

Yeah. It's collective punishment which is illegal under international law.

I think you need to realise one thing. Wars break out for smallest of reasons. Second thing is clearly they can defend themselves if they are firing rockets and carrying out terrorism.

No not every god damn citizen is carrying out terrorism, statements like that make me so god damn angry.

This whole war is stupid and innocent lives are being taken, nothing you can do but sit tight and hope one of the sides gets some common sense.

^ So true.

Pointing fingers and stating the obvious isn't going to help.

Neither is anything anyone will ever say in this thread but that's not stopping you (plural). It's actually worth discussing why there's a conflict in that area, it's more useful than ignoring it.

I don't really think Egypt has reacted negatively, why should it support Hamas (a terrorist organization) which hates the regime, is affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood and commits terrorism across Sinai due to the mistake of opening borders with Gaza during Morsy's rule.

Actually Israel are the ones being cooperative and not Hamas.
Now let us examine the facts.

Israel:
-A democratic country
-Haven't started the current war, it's a response to rockets fired on Israel
-Give warnings to citizens to evacuate before bombing, giving them 15 minutes to leave the building they are going to bomb.
In addition they fire a warning shot to make sure there aren't any civilians too close to the building.
-Canceled various air strikes where civilians were spotted too close to the buildings
-Agreed to 5 different humanitarian cease fires to allow people of Gaza to take injured people to hospitals (Hamas broke most of these cease fires)
-The IDF opened a medical area to treat wounded Palestinian citizens
-Still give food and medicine to Gaza on a daily basis
Hamas:
-A terrorist organization
-Fire rockets on Israeli citizens, with intent of murder.
-They would murder any Jew in Israel if they could
-Use their own citizens as human shields as human shields by placing rocket launchers in highly populated areas, making it impossible to fight them without civilian casualties. Causing Israel political damage.
-Most leaders hide innocent families with them to make sure the Israeli forces won't attack them
-The UN found Hamas rockets/weaponry in UNRWA schools
-Their leaders won't stop attacking Israel even if Palestine becomes a country
-Use the money and resources donated to help the citizens to get weapons and use it for their own agendas (getting rich).
The leader of Hamas has between 2-3 billion dollars (money that should be given to citizens of Gaza)

Yet the death toll on Palestinian's is over 1,000, not doing a good job with those warning shots, there was a news reporter who was filming live who had an Israel missile explode near her.

Also, it is a bit biased on how you only listed positive things on one side and negatives for the other when both of them have done things under both categories.

[Citation needed]

Proposed 28th Amendment;

"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States."

Not sure what Ghetto was talking about.

Can you give me positive things Hamas has done?
If their leader supported his Palestinian state dream so much he would have used his money for good and not by buying weapons and using it on himself.
Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of the Israeli state, look it up.
They don't care about human rights, if they get a state it will only be like ISIS.
It's not a surprise that the West Bank is not under bombing and isn't full of terrorist activities because it is controlled by Fatah and not Hamas.

My answers are in bold. Look how the "Victims" spent their ceasefire.
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It's because Egypt has turned their back on the Palestinians and that includes the media in Egypt now being Pro-Israel.

Like every government official isn't really an answer, if he's taking donation money to buy weapons and fuel this war I don't think he's like any government official.
Yasser Arafat would have never done anything like that and if you have 2-3 billion dollars in Palestine I doubt he earned 1 single dollar and I don't know any government official who isn't corrupt as hell to have this much money.
If Palestinians want a state (that's what people believe Hamas are fighting for) it will be controlled by Hamas (who a large percentage Palestinians vote for) who are an Islamist militant group that despise Israel.
I don't think this would work out pretty well.
'UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon "expresses his outrage and regret at the placing of weapons in a UN-administered school," a United Nations statement said last week. "By doing so, those responsible are turning schools into potential military targets, and endangering the lives of innocent children, UN employees working in such facilities and anyone using the UN schools as shelter," the statement added.'
Proof that Hamas terrorists are using schools with children to launch their attacks.
I didn't know Gaza is so small the only place they could think of using are hospitals and schools.
The people Gaza can look to is Fatah, but Hamas hate their own Palestinian brothers.
Actually Israel conducts the operations in response to the rockets being fired.

"Palestinian armed groups have stored munitions in and fired indiscriminate rockets from residential areas in the Gaza Strip," an Amnesty report noted recently. The groups have also "reportedly urged residents in some areas of the Gaza Strip not to leave their homes" after Israel had warned it would attack the area, all of which have the effect of putting Palestinians at risk in the fighting.''-Amnesty International
Also I have never said that Israeli civilians who don't live next to the borders are victims as most of the rockets are intercepted.
Israel is a first world country, I'm sure most of them carry on with their lives normally.
It is Hamas fault that they deploy their rockets from civilian areas and thus bring danger to the civilians.
Also Gaza officials found shelter in Gaza City's Shifa Hospital, I don't think they chose a hospital because of lack of options.
Another important question: Why are Fatah activists under house arrest?

Hamas does not want peace with Israel and will eventually attack Fatah.
They use schools and hospitals as shelter.
They attack innocent Egyptian soldiers and civilians.
Their leader is a warlord.
They use human shields.

The irrefutable truth is that the innocent people have literally no where to go and instead of attacking the actual threats, IDF attack the innocent citizens who haven't taken part in the war.

I think it's a seriously ugly thing that Israel is bombing schools. I saw videos of parents in agony because their children died from the bombing. Israel bombing the schools is pretty ****ed up.

Israel should stop fighting they obviously have the advantage. Maybe make a deal for Hamas to stop firing rockets in order for IDF troops to retreat and a permanent rocket cease fire

Yah it's horrible with all the innocent civilians being killed for nothing, tey should rally stop, and lets also hope the Marines don't intrude, if u know what i'm sayin

The reason Israel is hitting civilian targets like schools is because Hamas are launching rockets from there. Hamas are refusing all deals unless all their demands are met, they are clearly in no position to have the upper hand in negotiating.

Then the IDF should do the right thing and evacuate the schools from children. The IDF reserves is over 50,000. They are well armed and have tanks. They could evacuate the schools from children at least before they bomb them

Doing so would put many Israeli soldiers at risk, that is what they are trying to avoid hence the bombardments and airstrikes. Hamas will not allow them to do that because they would lose their meat shields.

Show me evidence they use human shields. Btw Israeli soldiers are scared of Hamas now. A lot of them are refusing to fight.

Disregarding Hamas for a second Israel wants to peace with Fatah either. A Harvard professor theorized that the whole point of this operation is to undermine the Fatah-Hamas unity government which you would think would lead to peace. However Netanyahu and his right-wing government just wants more land and more war.

There you go.

Empty schools that weren't being used as shelters T_T. Give me proof they're launching from civilian areas.

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-con...e-2885936.html
I can't believe you're supporting these terrorists if you want a Palestinian state you should support Fatah or something.
Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=852GRuxVfro

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Meh Fatah is corrupt and Abbas bends over for the US and Israel a lot and it's gotten him nowhere. I also truly believe that this war will never be solved diplomatically because Israel's leadership doesn't want peace. What makes me sad is that the people of Palestine will never get justice. The people of Gaza never will. Even if Hamas never existed.
Now the Pentagon has confirmed they are arming Israel with munitions to kill more children while at the same time calling for a ceasefire. What's the point in bending your knee to an occupier and wait for your death? The people of Gaza would rather die fighting than wait for their death. Israel is an apartheid state and just as much of terrorists as Hamas is (yes Hamas has some terroristic parts of it I just support their fight for Palestinian freedom).

Oh and about the 'Children of Gaza' thing it's sad. Really sad. But the problem is what are these kids supposed to do with their education? In a place with a 40% unemployment rate, crippling blockade and has the title of "Worlds Largest Open Air Prison" you can't do much with any education.

Hamas keep breaking the peace. They have broken almost all of the ceasefires with continued rocket firing. Neither side are particularly looking for peace but lets face it, Israel will come out of this better unless negotiations are successful.

They did most of the ceasefires. They just denied their extensions because it would allow Israel to continue operations in Eastern Gaza. The Egyptian ceasefire was also total garbage and one-sided.

Anyway Israel has proven it's might over Gaza. Now they're just trying to break the people of Gaza into submitting to their illegal occupation. Something they will never succeed in.

What would happen if Hamas got what they wanted though? Would they be better off? You seem to support them so answer me those questions.

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Screw Hamas I don't care what happens to them after this war. I think their damn rockets aren't getting us anywhere. All I support from Hamas is their fight to lift the siege and blockade on Gaza so that the people there can finally be allowed the basic rights which apparently everyone is supposed to have. I don't support the executions and **** that's barbaric and backwards.

I'm shocked anyone even sides with Israel anymore. Their support is dwindling though. People are opening their eyes now and aren't just getting their news from Fox News,MSNBC or BBC which are all pro-Israel and give no real account of the situation in Gaza. When I see dead kids on the ground I ask myself "Who are the real terrorists?"

The problem is that Hamas will be in control if they 'win', they will be unpopular because the only reason people like them is because they say they will free Gaza. If they 'free' Gaza from Israel it will just be under their control which won't be much better.

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They're already in control. People in Gaza know what they're about and judging by the fact most of them support Hamas I don't think they're very opposed to it. I mean when you've been living under a blockade, have no job, your friends and family are dead and you have nowhere to go.. The hope they speak of is like a light at the end of the tunnel.

Nothing is worse than that. Nothing.

They don't have full control though, Israel has proven it has the most control over the region with its ability to strike at will. Hamas is a group of terrorists, nothing more. They have no ability to lead the area only wage a war of attrition.

Have you actually seen the reports from people like the BBC? The BBC I know for a fact has a balanced view because they give the facts and an unbiased stand point apart from certain articles which are the journalists opinions.

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Israel has power over airspace, fishing, blockade etc. but politically everyone there hates them. Hamas from a political standpoint controls Gaza. Hamas is a legitimate political party that's just as crazy as the Republicans and Democrats here in America. They're recognized by Russia, China, Syria, Norway etc.

BBC and all other major news stations don't mention the years of occupation and struggle the Palestinians have lived through. Their reports are completely devoid of context or background with the intent of tricking the masses into thinking Israel is the victims and the people of Gaza are terrorists.

What parents would send their children to schools during a time like this over there? I would start digging and building any type of shelter I can create for my family so they would all have some sort of preparations for bombs

Why should Israel specifically target children and women, that's just bad PR.
Hamas don't want a free Palestine where Muslims and Christians can live together.
They want to impose Islamic law and one the reason they were created in the first place was to fight Israel and they won't rest until they destroy it.
And if Fatah is corrupt then why are you supporting a far more corrupt organization.
Also I doubt that the US are arming Israel to kill children.
There will never ever be a Palestinian country if Hamas exists as it will just be taken over by Hamas (which already happened in the Gaza parliament)

isreal are a bunch of phaggots who spam killstreaks and Hamas are a bunch of camping assholes
http://www.neckbeard-news.com/2014/0...on-israel.html

Wait did someone say that the BBC are reliable? What a load of tosh

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Ok ok I've been holding this back but I'm going to say it.

I believe that Hamas was created by Israel's Zionist regime as a deterrent to the West Bank's Fatah. The two parties clashed until Hamas eventually took over Gaza much to Israel's happiness. However now that they've reconciled Israel has launched an offensive in Gaza not to protect it's civilians but to undermine the unity government and peace process.

Oh yeah they're supplying Israel with munitions by the way
http://www.newsweek.com/us-gives-isr...fensive-262221

Sounds like a good idea lol

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This is beautiful...

This is what it will turn into
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEWT0Anrc7k

A 72 hour cease fire agreement has been reached.

Which means Israelis going to malls and beaches and Palestinians digging up dead bodies...

Now a quote from our old pal Benjamin Netanyahu the current PM of the apartheid state of Israel!
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/01/na7y9ada.jpg
Boy Benjamin! It's funny because you're doing the same thing right now!!

http://youtu.be/vsDyxnJxbkc

http://youtu.be/IynADeLxfCU

I know that they're supplying them, they have an agreement to do so, but why is this a bad thing?
Also I disagree with how you believe Hamas has been founded, it's a bit far fetched