Okay the Mulan situation makes sense because of the time it took place in. I think it should be praised for the opposite in some aspects. For example when the antagonist, Shan Yu, found out that he was beaten by a girl he did not get angry or freak out. He was impressed.

Yes.
Small, I mean even tiny, life situations can change your entire future. Especially in children.
If a child, boy or girl, grows up watching and being around same-sex couples, they'll more likely than not also have an interest in same-sex relations. This is because we adapt to our surroundings.

It's a pretty basic understanding, actually, point being that yes.. Even small things like watching movies on heterosexual encounters, and enjoying those movies, give you a role model.
I remember being little and wanting to be someone like Saria (from Zelda, green girl), so I associated my imagination to her. Even though she played a very small role in any part of my life.

Though I agree with you our actions and behavior is affected by our surroundings, your sexual orientation has nothing to do with that. It's been tested hundreds of times that gay people are genetically gay. Not because they witnessed or were around gay people. They were born with it and there's nothing else to it.

No they don't.

Almost all gay people today come from straight family's. Sexuality almost always comes from the mind.

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This movie would never happen im the world today. It's a political issue currently and Disney would be stupid to put this out now. Maybe in the future? But still, why can't they make more movies with the prince as a protagonist, kinda like Tangled.

This will be an interesting watch, not sure if showing g@y characters is a good thing, and more than likely not many parents will show this movie to their kids.

It's not genetically inscripted in your DNA to be attracted to the same sex. Just like it's not genetically inscripted in my DNA that I prefer Sony over Microsoft.

It's not legitimately proven that liking the same gender is in our born blood or not. As far as we, the human race, know: it is based on our surroundings.

There are so many factors outside of your household and away from your family.
If you're a child and are made fun of by a homosexual group, your mind will believe that "all homosexuals are this way" (not for everyone, but this is a typical mind-set for humans). Of course, it's not reversed to heterosexual groups, because homosexual groups stand out more; like being in highschool and seeing the "Emo group," "Nerd group," ", Jock group," etc.

However, opposing the first paragraph, if you were to grow up outside of home (school, maybe?) accepted by someone in the "homosexual group," you'll have an admiration for them, enjoy hanging around with them, and have a role model to be like.

Again, there are so many factors that almost anything is possible for this type of outcome.

I don't want to see two guys kissing.

This goes perfectly with your signature ahaha

American Psychological Association says:
I tried to find if there was any research I could quote but everything I could find was illegible and had numbers I didn't understand in them.

I don't see any reason why people would want to "become" homosexual. Look at how many people, including you, bigot against them. I most certainly believe that it's not a choice.

i agree. No media could change my mind on that lol

"Mommy, I want to be just like that prince when I grow up"

Didn't one of the Disney channel shows have a same sex couple in an episode? I saw it on some magazine, but I didn't read into it much.

Unlike Sony and Microsoft though, males and females don't come with business models, updates, or new editions. Homosexuality has been a part of nature since the start, all over the world. It's not practical for animals, since they can't reproduce-- but they do it anyway. It doesn't seem like an adaption choice. And although there is no direct scientific proof that it is the same for humans, there is scientific proof that it is normal in living things, despite what enviornment they live in.

As for the movie:
I actually quite agree with this. I support homosexuality, but any plot needs to be driven by more than just one factor. It would be a shame if the first gay big picture animation film turned out to be flat and boring. Hopefully, when society comes to a point where homosexuality is less controversial, a film like this can be developed with more than just "we r gay, we r so cute"

Fyzes isn't being a bigot. He's absolutely right. If you are raised being told being gay is the norm, you probably are going to end up being gay. Sure you may be "genetically attracted to guys". But that isn't the only factor that determines whether you are straight or gay. There are TONS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE GAY BECAUSE THEY THINK IT IS COOL OR DIFFERENT. Just because someone was not born gay does not make them straight or unable of being gay, and if you don't believe that you are probably much more bigoted than anyone who thinks that people aren't born gay at all.

You're also underestimating how impressionable children are. They will believe and follow anything adults or media tells them. Have you never noticed how many Disney character costumes there are out there? That's because children love Disney and want to be just like their characters, liking the same sex is not an exception to this.

Of course there's going to be people that want to be part of the "oppressed, cool, new" minority, similarly to how people self-diagnose themselves as OCD or depressed. But that doesn't do justice to homosexuality as a whole. It leads to misconceptions, and assumptions. I am aware that try-hard gays exist; but that doesn't stop me from believing that they should be accepted like everyone else. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue.

Also, children are impressionable. But this isn't long lasting. Gays are often impressioned themselves to believe they are straight-- sometimes, for most of their lives! Until they realize why it never felt right to them. Edit: my point with this is that it's short term. Enviornment doesn't decide your sexuality in the long run.

I'm arguing homosexuality is normal, and they should be fairly represented in media. But as for a Disney movie, audiences today aren't ready for that-- plus, you only get one chance to make a first impression for this kind of movie. And it would have to have a developed plot that extends beyond its romantic theme.

There's a big difference between pretending to like something and pretending to see stuff a different way. Self Diagnosed OCD is a really poor comparison, being gay simply means that you are attracted to the same sex. Whereas OCD is a disorder that causes your brain to interpret things differently. People will genuinely convince themselves that they are attracted to other men/women, them being convinced that they do is all that matters.

Being OCD on the other hand is much different, most people who self diagnose themselves don't actually know the extent that it goes-- or in some case even understand that OCD is an actual medical diagnoses, and not just a word used to describe wanting little details to be right.

Now you're changing the topic completely. Accepting that you're straight while you're actually gay doesn't always have the "happy ending" that you're describing. Has it happened to prevent families from splitting? Yes. Does it actually fulfill that person's needs? Not entirely.

If you don't believe me, look at stories about gay men and women who've established entire families and lives, and then realizing they were gay. They genuinely thought they were straight. Even Ellen Degeneres once wanted to marry a man. But when a person isn't fully satisfied, a gap grows in their happiness, and it goes downhill.

If being homosexual were more widely accepted and known, people wouldn't have to believe they were something they're not. Whether you're gay, bi, straight, or whatever, it'd be easier to clarify from a younger age, if all sexualiaties were equally accepted.

I haven't described any "happy endings". In fact I haven't even said anything about being straight in any of my posts, you're the only one who has brought that up, especially the specific scenarios that you are describing. You are the one changing the topic from whether or not it is possible to change your sexual interests.

"If being homosexual were more widely accepted and known, people wouldn't have to believe they were something they're not."

Regardless, no one is being forced to believe that they are gay or not. Its people taking an interest in a sexuality that they were not raised around. There shouldn't be such thing as "not actually being gay" when it comes to this, its just someone's interests changing.

If it's "all that matters", then I assume there isn't a negative ending for "genuinely convincing themselves" that they're a different orientation?
My entire response was about people being unable to change their sexual interests; my examples were related instances of that.

Your point was that people act gay or straight if they were raised to believe that was the norm. But people don't just changed an entire lifestyle because "that's not what they were raised around". Usually, people stick with the values of how they were raised. But sexuality is a different kind of preference.

This doesn't mean that there's "gay" and "not gay". It's not black and white; people often experiment with both genders to explore their sexuality. So, sexuality can sometimes be seen as a sliding scale. And experimentation is fun and exciting; but as for long term satisfaction, it's not a preference that can be easily changed or decided, no matter how you were raised or what era you live in.

mr simon and latte, stahp arguing pls what will your kids think :'(

Let's do a test. What shape do you like better?

http://www.clker.com/cliparts/d/e/d/...riangle-th.png or http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...SR100,100_.jpg

Never seen such an argument between them in.. ever.

yall shouldnt be arguing about a movie that aint comin out

You are the only one talking about how it ends.

I have related instances that prove otherwise.


No, my point was that a person's sexual interests-- like any other interests will change based upon their experiences. Sexuality is not something different from any other preference when it comes down to it.

Try replacing any synonymous word for gay with a color.
"I was born liking red."
"Lately I've been really getting into red, it seems so much more exciting than blue."
"My whole life I thought I liked the color red, but now I feel like purple is a much superior color."

The source for your entire arguement is literally tumblr. And sexuality isn't liking a color, or any other preference; it's being taken as a bigger deal because people have rights taken away from them because of whether or not they're gay. People are bullied, and commit suicide because they're gay. If it could be a preference that they could change over time, many would do that.

Exploring your sexuality is normal. But there's a large difference between whats feels "ok" and what feels "just right". But you can't change what feels "just right" to you-- if you could, many would.

And it is a damn good source for my argument, tumblr is loaded with people who have taken interest in homosexuality, bisexuality, asexuality, pansexuality, androsexuality, polysexuality, pomosexuality, sapiosexuality, and any other sexuality that they come up with.

Your argument is based on the effects that society has based on a persons sexuality. My argument is the causes of someones sexuality. You aren't even discussing the same thing as me.

You shouldn't still be arguing about Ebola.

I'm saying it's something that a person can't decide. Your examples are about people exploring their sexuality. But your sexuality is something that feels "just right" to you-- the end result of the exploration.

You're arguing that it's the exploration that causes people to decide whether or not they're gay-- I'm saying its the exploration that decides what feels "right" and what feels "not right" to them, determining their orientation at the end. And if homosexuality were more accepted and honestly talked about, people would be able to determine sooner in their lives what orientation they are.

Except sexuality is not something permanent, just like any other preference isn't. I don't understand what makes you think it is so different from anything else.

Because sexuality is permanent-- exploration isn't.

Yeah , that's the point I was trying to make. Putting romance as a primary theme in a children's movie wont make it very appealing to their target demographic. Disney movies may incorporate romance into their films, but its usually alongside action/adventure.

No it isn't. How can you possibly know whether or not you have reached your "correct" sexuality. Tons of people here think they know exactly what sexuality they have found what they are into.

Because once you've reached your "correct" sexuality, everything makes sense. Suddenly you know why you've felt certain ways towards certain situations. And sometimes it's not even a concept of confusion at all-- some people just know from the get-go.

There's plenty of gay people that I've met, telling me gay stories about their childhood, and how they figured out they were gay. And we even read a reddit thread together about gay people telling the differences between having sex with both genders. It's something that people figure out, or just already know.

Yea, and there is tons of people here that feel really right in their current situation, but will probably end up being heterosexual later on in life and then maybe they will decide they liked bangin other dudes more and go back to that.

Also reddit is an awful source for an argument. I'd recommend tumblr.

Then that means that they've been straight the whole time and are just exploring.

Well I'm js bangin other guys isnt straight.

what

y are we dating

wtf is going on now

Seriously? A whole debate about a movie that was already proven to be false. GG fellas.

I don't see why anyone would want to be "Emo" or "Gothic" (Taking from my earlier comment on this thread) -- Again, it's what our personal experiences show us about certain groups of people who accepts us and we accept them.
If I was born with my surroundings as terrorists who blow themselves up because they grew up thinking it'll be benefit them, that's probably what I will end up doing. However, I wasn't born with those surroundings and therefore think oddly of them.

I'm not bigot'ing against them, I'm giving you my opinion on this subject and giving my knowledge why I believe it is a choice versus genetic. I respect your opinion on the subject, but if you don't feel the same then you can always turn off your monitor, laptop, screen, and/or device.

You do realize animals are not as intellectual as humans?
They choose their mates simply by "this one looks better than the other" without taking to factor personalities or goals. They just do it to reproduce.
Mammals are the only type of animal that can "try to reproduce" for fun/pleasure; regardless, humans are the only living things that account for so much more than "if female/male. if pretty/ugly."

Your sig says you left Graal but still "browse" Graalians, it's the same situation.

triangle has 3 sides, does it get sex1er

But that's where you're wrong, it does.
If we want to get "super factual" on the matter, let's discuss an entire village of male-only species. People are going to have instinct and needs. Everyone will be homosexual. People will not say "no, this is wrong, I need a female" because they were not raised near or have any sexual feeling to anything other than their surrounding "experiences" growing up.
That's still an environmental factor, and although it seems very unlikely for the above to ever occur, I'm sure testing the theory will give you said results.

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who don't really play graal anymore but still like to use these forums. What does me browsing Graalians have to do with playing Graal? I like the community here and thats why I stay. Come on pal, use your common sense. After all, it's your name.

No it doesn't it starts to look like this http://www.fmaths.com/geometry1/cours/rectangle.gif That is not sexy as a triangle. Such as the same thing with homosexuality. I could say mhm I do really like this rectangle. I am choosing to like it, not that it was a part of me.

uh many humans go off looks.. and many animals do courtship display to to impress and win a mate. Honestly you are giving animals less recognition, they communicate right? so how do you know they don't talk to each over in a way similar to how we would? :\

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these needs would not be required or had unless given an incentive..

I've seen you play Era recently :rolleyes:

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