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GlazeyB 04-07-2015 04:26 AM

Your negativity about negativity is unappreciated here.

Sardon 04-07-2015 05:15 AM

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Posted by GlazeyB (Post 552309)
Your negativity about negativity is unappreciated here.

wellyour negativity about negativity on negativity is unapreciated here

Multipas* 04-07-2015 07:03 AM

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Posted by 5hift (Post 552239)
Sneaky, slimy Ghettoicedtea poser.

@Multipas.

Way to feed me the bull****.

Clearly you can't read or write english.

What I said literally, and I mean literally had nothing to do with what you said.

My point is, a not the stupid point that you precieve I am making is that women are making a huge impact in the world right now. There is absolutely no reason to view women as a lower class or whatever.

I look at respectable women like my own mom who does so much to help me and my sister, who's proud to be a woman and doesn't take **** from anybody myself included.

You clearly have been living inside a dark, musty cave for far too log to see the bigger picture.

And as I previously mentioned, it's 2015 not 1815.

WHAT DEFINES A RESPECTABLE WOMAN.


And guess what you can identify as what ever you want to.
That's why I want an 'other' choice. So all you beutiful people can represent yourselves. EVEN BETTER the other choice has a word box where you can just submit your own gender.

Striken 04-07-2015 07:40 AM

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...50/411/103.jpg

Red 04-07-2015 07:41 AM

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Posted by Multipas* (Post 552341)
WHAT DEFINES A RESPECTABLE WOMAN.


And guess what you can identify as what ever you want to.
That's why I want an 'other' choice. So all you beutiful people can represent yourselves. EVEN BETTER the other choice has a word box where you can just submit your own gender.

You obviously Identify as a female take the little option that ses "female" and stop posting useless threads ?

http://i.imgur.com/7ggTHfp.png?1

https://youtu.be/_n5E7feJHw0

5hift 04-07-2015 09:15 AM

"I want to represent myself with a pointless function on an MMO!"

No.

Just no.

Multipas* 04-07-2015 10:18 AM

WHY NO IS THAT WHTA YOUR PARENTS TOLD YOU?
BECAUSE YALL ARE TO AFRAID TO STEP OUT OF BOX
AND JUST ADD A GRAY CIRCLE THAT SAYS OTHER UNDERNEATH IT.?SOME PEOPLE MIGHT think differently than you. You'll see how far that attitude takes you open your minds weabos before you lose the world and you've forgot what life is. DIVERSITY


And just because I'm a woman doesn't mean I'm going to run or not stick up for what I believe in.

Admiral 04-07-2015 10:41 AM

He is right though, the genderless will rule

Red 04-07-2015 11:02 AM

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Posted by Multipas* (Post 552360)
WHY NO IS THAT WHTA YOUR PARENTS TOLD YOU?
BECAUSE YALL ARE TO AFRAID TO STEP OUT OF BOX
AND JUST ADD A GRAY CIRCLE THAT SAYS OTHER UNDERNEATH IT.?SOME PEOPLE MIGHT think differently than you. You'll see how far that attitude takes you open your minds weabos before you lose the world and you've forgot what life is. DIVERSITY


And just because I'm a woman doesn't mean I'm going to run or not stick up for what I believe in.

There is only 2 genders...

Nabu Lapse 04-07-2015 12:30 PM

Considering 90% of Classic's playerbase is under the age of 13 I doubt they'd see much use for an "other" feature.

5hift 04-07-2015 12:32 PM

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Posted by Multipas* (Post 552360)
WHY NO IS THAT WHTA YOUR PARENTS TOLD YOU?
BECAUSE YALL ARE TO AFRAID TO STEP OUT OF BOX
AND JUST ADD A GRAY CIRCLE THAT SAYS OTHER UNDERNEATH IT.?SOME PEOPLE MIGHT think differently than you. You'll see how far that attitude takes you open your minds weabos before you lose the world and you've forgot what life is. DIVERSITY


And just because I'm a woman doesn't mean I'm going to run or not stick up for what I believe in.

Just keep spoon feeding me the bull****.

I honest kinda scared, the last time somebody fed me this much crap I ended up getting severely constipated.

Gender diversity is a absolute waste of brain matter. If you're a guy and love another guy then that's fine. At least you admit you're the same sex and don't have to create your own stupid gender classification. Same thing applies to girls.

Call me a weabo one more time and you might just end up getting cancer.

Livid 04-07-2015 12:45 PM

Why are you guys acknowledging this stupid, stupid person that can barely type..

5hift 04-07-2015 12:46 PM

Because reasons.

Vivid 04-07-2015 12:51 PM

http://10.1.0.31/ibreports/images/bi...ity%20content.

Ghettoicedtea 04-07-2015 01:44 PM

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Posted by OG (Post 552347)
You obviously Identify as a female take the little option that ses "female" and stop posting useless threads ?

http://i.imgur.com/7ggTHfp.png?1

https://youtu.be/_n5E7feJHw0

no no you don't understand, she is a womyn, not a plebian female who is controlled by the patriarchy!

mallard 04-07-2015 02:16 PM

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Posted by Multipas* (Post 552213)
Gender option does do something because it accurately describes someone! And only having two options male and female is called trans bigoted I think..it's also just ignorant to the truth that not all all humans fit into a binary of descriptive words. Not even biological sex is binary there aren't just men and woman. The CHRUCH AND STATE try to eNgrainthe NUCLEAR family DYNAMIC into your culture and it worked. Also people base there judgements off of the gender option in graal so much. ask any player that has been solicited to cyber. I get sexually harassed everyday in graal.

Wouldn't that problem be solved easier if you removed the option altogether, and let people judge and harass each other based on in-game appearance and behaviour instead? I think that would be more helpful as well, since there are also people who'd rather leave that information ambiguous.

Bryan* 04-07-2015 03:14 PM

Is it bad I lose brain cells each time I read her posts? Don't see why this should be an option added. You're either male or female, even if you want to be a fantasy blob looking thing, it's still would be you're a male blob or a female blob.

Ghettoicedtea 04-07-2015 03:31 PM

Guys yall need to chill n hit one of these
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mallard 04-07-2015 03:33 PM

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Posted by Bryan* (Post 552392)
Is it bad I lose brain cells each time I read her posts? Don't see why this should be an option added. You're either male or female, even if you want to be a fantasy blob looking thing, it's still would be you're a male blob or a female blob.

Bacteria reproduce via cell division. They have no sex or gender in any useful sense of the word.
Flowers reproduce sexually, but for many species, each individual plant has both male and female bits.

5hift 04-07-2015 03:46 PM

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Posted by mallard (Post 552397)
Bacteria reproduce via cell division. They have no sex or gender in any useful sense of the word.
Flowers reproduce sexually, but for many species, each individual plant has both male and female bits.

Flowers and bacteria don't **** about not being able to "fully express" themselves.

I swear, sometimes flowers and bacteria have it so much better then us.

Señor Albonio 04-07-2015 03:52 PM

Hey Multi I think you have a point I sexually identify as a crazy-catlady deluxe and I think they won't add it to the game purely to oppress us! I think we should go to a nice little café and have a drink. This is their best drink http://i.imgur.com/ZylTYyO.jpg. Please try it, you'll feel relaxed immediately after drinking it.

Sardon 04-07-2015 04:25 PM

Im actualy a Bird
Y u no put an option for me

Vivid 04-07-2015 06:20 PM

I support Transfestites.

Zetectic 04-07-2015 07:47 PM

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Posted by Nabu Lapse (Post 552369)
Considering 90% of Classic's playerbase is under the age of 13 I doubt they'd see much use for an "other" feature.

Not really. From what i've seen in the past tally and having a random conversations with strangers on Graal. I am safe to say 50% of iClassic players are age of 13-18. About 15% of them are adults. 70% are foreign players, so this game is really made up with different diversity. Most of 12 years old or younger can't understand this game, because the conversations are filled with puberty talks.

Cookie Xanadu 04-07-2015 07:51 PM

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Posted by Admiral (Post 552361)
He is right though, the genderless will rule

But if you're genderless, how can we exist? How do we life if we can't make life :(

Bryan* 04-07-2015 08:13 PM

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Posted by mallard (Post 552397)
Bacteria reproduce via cell division. They have no sex or gender in any useful sense of the word.
Flowers reproduce sexually, but for many species, each individual plant has both male and female bits.



Did you not see the "fantasy" part?

Multipas* 04-07-2015 08:34 PM

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Posted by OG (Post 552362)
There is only 2 genders...

chuckle*

Is your lil best friend apathy red ANBU
Waah im red ANBU im sad sometimes therefore I can do nothing wrong.
Bleh
I'll see you in spar, this is some play ground shiii everyone's comin down we gonna spar last one playing wins

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 552431)
But if you're genderless, how can we exist? How do we life if we can't make life :(

GENDER DOESNT HAVE TO DO WITH SEXUAL ORGANS. MALE AND FEMALE ARE USED TO DESCRIBE BIOLOGICAL SEX. MAN AND WOMAN ARE USED TO DESCRIBE IDENTITY. PEOPLE DONT ALWAYS IDENTIFY AS MAN OR WOMAN.


ALSO THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERSEX AND PEOPLE THAT DONT HAVE GENITALIA THAT DONT FIT INTO A SEX BINARY. BUT THEY COULD IDENTIFY AS A MAN, WOMAN OR WAHTEVER BECAUSE THATS WHT GENDER IS


LOOK AT THE PHOTO I POSTED GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND BIOLOGICAL SEX ARE ALL DIFFERENT THINGS

Vivid 04-07-2015 09:06 PM

Tf have you been watching

Sardon 04-07-2015 09:18 PM

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 552430)
Not really. From what i've seen in the past tally and having a random conversations with strangers on Graal. I am safe to say 50% of iClassic players are age of 13-18. About 15% of them are adults. 70% are foreign players, so this game is really made up with different diversity. Most of 12 years old or younger can't understand this game, because the conversations are filled with puberty talks.

no 12 year olds these days understand all that
Not when I was 12 though or most of us
id say 10& under dont get anything and quit the next month

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Posted by Multipas* (Post 552435)
chuckle*

Is your lil best friend apathy red ANBU
Waah im red ANBU im sad sometimes therefore I can do nothing wrong.
Bleh
I'll see you in spar, this is some play ground shiii everyone's comin down we gonna spar last one playing wins


GENDER DOESNT HAVE TO DO WITH SEXUAL ORGANS. MALE AND FEMALE ARE USED TO DESCRIBE BIOLOGICAL SEX. MAN AND WOMAN ARE USED TO DESCRIBE IDENTITY. PEOPLE DONT ALWAYS IDENTIFY AS MAN OR WOMAN.


ALSO THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERSEX AND PEOPLE THAT DONT HAVE GENITALIA THAT DONT FIT INTO A SEX BINARY. BUT THEY COULD IDENTIFY AS A MAN, WOMAN OR WAHTEVER BECAUSE THATS WHT GENDER IS

LOOK AT THE PHOTO I POSTED GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND BIOLOGICAL SEX ARE ALL DIFFERENT THINGS

Im male I have male organs thats a fact
you are a female you have female organs

If you find me someone that is intersex that has atleast 100h on graal This post will be aproved by sardon

Striken 04-07-2015 10:10 PM

lol, at least learn the definition of weeaboo, because the last time I checked watching anime =/= "weeaboo". Unless we're disrespecting the Japanese culture and making a mockery of ourselves then by all means go ahead and call us out for it, but if I see you eating McDonalds just gonna call you a plain old fat American because it's roughly the equivalent of being called a weeaboo.

mallard 04-07-2015 10:45 PM

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Posted by Bryan* (Post 552433)
Did you not see the "fantasy" part?

I was replying to that specifically, so I probably just misunderstood.
I thought you were talking about playing fantasy characters. I remember someone tried to play a plant character on Valikorlia; and in a context like that, picking male or female would actually be wrong.

Red 04-07-2015 10:47 PM

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Posted by Multipas* (Post 552435)
chuckle*

Is your lil best friend apathy red ANBU
Waah im red ANBU im sad sometimes therefore I can do nothing wrong.
Bleh
I'll see you in spar, this is some play ground shiii everyone's comin down we gonna spar last one playing wins


GENDER DOESNT HAVE TO DO WITH SEXUAL ORGANS. MALE AND FEMALE ARE USED TO DESCRIBE BIOLOGICAL SEX. MAN AND WOMAN ARE USED TO DESCRIBE IDENTITY. PEOPLE DONT ALWAYS IDENTIFY AS MAN OR WOMAN.


ALSO THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERSEX AND PEOPLE THAT DONT HAVE GENITALIA THAT DONT FIT INTO A SEX BINARY. BUT THEY COULD IDENTIFY AS A MAN, WOMAN OR WAHTEVER BECAUSE THATS WHT GENDER IS


LOOK AT THE PHOTO I POSTED GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND BIOLOGICAL SEX ARE ALL DIFFERENT THINGS

All I see is someone whos to ******ed to spell correctly or not type in caps

MattKan 04-07-2015 10:49 PM

Sex - biological, based on your sex organs you are given at birth

Gender - social construct, often masculine or feminine

There's obviously a lot more in this thread that should be said but I think that's a fair start for some of you who are really ignorantly casting stones.

mallard 04-07-2015 11:02 PM

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Posted by MattKan (Post 552470)
Gender - social construct, often masculine or feminine

Can you explain what's meant by social construct and why it applies to gender? "Social construct" makes it sound like it's made up and enforced by mutual agreement, like fiat money. From what I understand it's supposedly more tangible than that, so what gives?

Kay9 04-07-2015 11:39 PM

I identify as a rock. Please add this.

Vicipower 04-08-2015 12:26 AM

this needs to get moved to tumblr just like all my dead hopes and dreams

Sardon 04-08-2015 01:24 AM

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Posted by Kay9 (Post 552483)
I identify as a rock. Please add this.

im a rock too
Lets marry

Cookie Xanadu 04-08-2015 01:34 AM

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Posted by Multipas* (Post 552435)
GENDER DOESNT HAVE TO DO WITH SEXUAL ORGANS. MALE AND FEMALE ARE USED TO DESCRIBE BIOLOGICAL SEX. MAN AND WOMAN ARE USED TO DESCRIBE IDENTITY. PEOPLE DONT ALWAYS IDENTIFY AS MAN OR WOMAN.


ALSO THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERSEX AND PEOPLE THAT DONT HAVE GENITALIA THAT DONT FIT INTO A SEX BINARY. BUT THEY COULD IDENTIFY AS A MAN, WOMAN OR WAHTEVER BECAUSE THATS WHT GENDER IS


LOOK AT THE PHOTO I POSTED GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND BIOLOGICAL SEX ARE ALL DIFFERENT THINGS

Gonna feed you and say:

You're either male or female. This is decided when you're born as you're a man or woman. If you're male you're a man, if you're a woman then; yes, female.

You can be the prettiest little prince but you're still a male-man; a very disturbingly pretty one.

You can be a very butch slob, but you're still a female-woman.

Ain't no time for all this "identifying" non-sense, especially when it comes to legal matters.

Vivid 04-08-2015 02:05 AM

Screw Graal. Farming simulator 2015 is what's in.

Sir 04-08-2015 02:10 AM

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Posted by Vivid (Post 552443)
Tf have you been *smoking?

Fixed.

MattKan 04-08-2015 02:21 AM

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Posted by mallard (Post 552475)
Can you explain what's meant by social construct and why it applies to gender? "Social construct" makes it sound like it's made up and enforced by mutual agreement, like fiat money. From what I understand it's supposedly more tangible than that, so what gives?

I'll try to do it the best I can.

So yes, gender is a construct as it is society's interpretation of the sexes. Society sees a biological male and deems him masculine whereas they see a biological female and deems her feminine. The first part is the sex, and the latter part is the gender.

The social norms we have constructed for the sexes (i.e. that men are 'masculine' and women are 'feminine') is in-part that gender we have created for them. This does not immediately mean that men who do not like sports, etc. must identify as female, but that opportunity becomes available to them if they choose to pursue it. Basically, it's a matter of people not "feeling" like the gender they are assigned to at birth, however that may manifest itself.

Is it entirely made up? I think in the way you are asking, yes, though I'm not sure that's the best way to describe it. (I want to clarify that I do not think people are 'lying' or 'exaggerating' about their gender identity but that society constructs the idea of genders in the first place.) Many things that are essential to our personhood are by the same token "made up"—our race, our names, our personalities, etc. Though I would agree that they are non-sentient social creations that are, perhaps, "made up," this does not devalue them as crucial aspects to our humanization.

In my opinion, someone's gender, like their name and race, is something that they themselves should be allowed to control out of respect. Just as it would be disrespectful to call someone by a name unfavorable to them, it would be disrespectful to refer to someone as a gender to which they do not identify. So if someone should choose to identify as a different gender than their sex, then that is their prerogative and it ought to be respected and realized by those around them. This also leads into the fact that some prefer not to identify as either male or female and place themselves outside of the gender binary altogether. Here, we arrive at the existence of more than two genders.

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 552501)
Gonna feed you and say:

You're either male or female. This is decided when you're born as you're a man or woman. If you're male you're a man, if you're a woman then; yes, female.

You can be the prettiest little prince but you're still a male-man; a very disturbingly pretty one.

You can be a very butch slob, but you're still a female-woman.

Ain't no time for all this "identifying" non-sense, especially when it comes to legal matters.

Honestly this is just asinine. I don't mean to come off as a SJW, but there are plenty of instances around the world of abuse, assault, rape, murder, harassment, etc. against people who are transgenders because of this kind of rhetoric. Even if you don't agree with their lifestyle personally, you still need to be respectful and not perpetuate the hatred that leads to consequences I know you never intended.

Common Sense 04-08-2015 03:29 AM

I am stunned at how seriously people have taken this thread.

I am literally laughing so much right now.

Señor Albonio 04-08-2015 07:34 AM

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Posted by Common Sense (Post 552555)
I am stunned at how seriously people have taken this thread.

I am literally laughing so much right now.

If Multipass is your ******ed alt account I will kick a baby.

Multipas* 04-08-2015 09:29 AM

No please just give me an other option with my gender choice in game. Also add more skin tones from heads to choose in the free version of ol west. Brown black reddish brown light brown olive yellowish brown. Not that hard and you'll get my kudos and love and all the repercussions.

Draenin 04-08-2015 09:38 AM

So apparently Facebook just added 50 gender options. Have fun learning about all of them.

Vivid 04-08-2015 11:39 AM

too bad graal doesn't have a transfestite option.

Ghettoicedtea 04-08-2015 01:48 PM

i sexually identify as a dank meme. Plz no opressurino

Cookie Xanadu 04-08-2015 06:21 PM

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Posted by MattKan (Post 552517)
Honestly this is just asinine. I don't mean to come off as a SJW, but there are plenty of instances around the world of abuse, assault, rape, murder, harassment, etc. against people who are transgenders because of this kind of rhetoric. Even if you don't agree with their lifestyle personally, you still need to be respectful and not perpetuate the hatred that leads to consequences I know you never intended.

If you're a guy, you're male. Simple as that. You can be as feminine and gay as you want and that's all fine and dandy, but you still and will always be a male and man. If you get your **** chopped off and take hormones then you are considered, by law, to be trans female-woman. Same goes for women and the reverse.

Honestly, we shouldn't be preaching that this is all fine as it's a chemical imbalance and goes against the very basic primal principles, but whatever. Do what ever makes you happy; just don't expect to be considered something you're not unless it involves a knife, hormones and the government.

Draenin 04-08-2015 07:31 PM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 552744)
Honestly, we shouldn't be preaching that this is all fine as it's a chemical imbalance and goes against the very basic primal principles, but whatever.

Really now, doc? What chemicals, exactly?

Cookie Xanadu 04-08-2015 08:43 PM

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Posted by Draenin (Post 552751)
Really now, doc? What chemicals, exactly?

Due to possible hormonal imbalances in the brain while developing in the womb, it is possible to develop GID/Gender Dysphoria.

Your body is male but your brain is messed up due to something going wrong in the process and you develop GID/Gender Dysphoria.


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