Only you and that bacon are complaining about it anyway.

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lol @ the people thinking that they are special enough to have people notice what country or flag they have on their profile

Implying that people would even check your nooby ass profile

I'm not complaining, hell, I don't even play classic. I'm just giving my opinion, not even asking for a change.

Login and ask someone outside of the battle arena, you naive child.

Actually I've made a good amount of friends from my country because its something we have in common.

At your age you aren't in a position to call anyone a child, really.

Also, I doubt there have been 24 sparrers to visit the thread and vote in favor of keeping the change, in itself proving my point.

Yeah, because the Graal City community is totally reliable ;)

I also doubt there have been 24 sparrers to visit the thread and vote at all, which in actuality then, does not prove your point.

Have you not even glanced at the votes? Lmao

if you want to represent your old country just put on a shield, if this is too hard for you and you still want a flag then your "nationalism" clearly isn't that strong.

The thing with that is there is overwhelming support from the spar community in specific in favor of this change. That's well known already. Ivy is arguing that there are others outside of that area that are opposed, which is what my post was referring to. I don't blame you for not knowing that part, but a good deal of sparrers have wanted this for a while.

They aren't there to express your origin though! They're there to inform people where you're playing from.

I can think of one benefit off the top of my head. It allows people who don't speak English to identify others who may also speak their language by seeing their country in profile. Previously flags were set to USA by default (at least mine always was).

24 sparrers

also by "glancing at the votes" you see sardon is in support of keeping the flag option therefore it is a bad idea to go back.

All I know is that if you feel like your privacy is invaded by this update then you'd be upset to know that staff can read through your PMs and anyone with a memory editor can get your personal Facebook URL

I feel you on this. But this is the 2nd time they have changed the flags, and nobody a dangflabit thing to them the first time

If we were talking in person, and I asked you where you were from, it would be because we are both in the same location and I understood that you did not originate from our present location. The fact that I am here in the United Kingdom and you could be anywhere makes 'where you are from' where you are-coming-from, from you to me. Unless I had prior context that implied where you are is not where you originated. But you knew what I was saying anyway.

Moreover, the way you presented your post sounded like you were posting facts that I was unaware of. I'm glad we've established that it is your opinion that the flag system as a feature was intended for self-expression. As a staff member, I am telling you that it isn't.

Oh, sorry. Yea I really don't know what's going on around classic really, I log on for news but that's it. What benefit is it to sparrers, though?

It actually does the opposite. If I'm German, and move to America, then people will infer I spea English, when I may only speak German. If I could keep the German flag as my flag, then people would infer I speak German. So in sense, this does the exact opposite of linking players together.

Thats exactly why! AMEN

Basically it allows the majority of the community to spot those who use a VPN to lag themselves in spar. This is pretty frowned upon, but since people could set their flags to whatever they wanted, it was hard to catch. Now, say we know someone who claimed they were American with bad internet before, which was why they lagged in a spar. If they're using VPN, we can see the country that they're connecting from, something like Singapore, in order to give themselves more lag. If we know they're American, and they have the Singapore flag in their profile. Boom. Proof right there.

All natural foreign lag is still fine, some people still shame others over that but it can't really be helped.

I agree, we should at least be given an option to not show a flag

Before I say anything else, I don't even think it should be changed, although I don't think it shouldn't either. I get the purpose of it, it just seems unnecessary in a game such as Graal, which is weird, considering Graal at first thought seems like the perfect game for having your location shown. Now here we go; this is in-game, which implies that there would be context most of the time. I would probably have already been talking to someone if I ask where they're from, which cannot be correctly shown for everyone since it sets your location.

"doesn't want to show their location (because they are in a delaycountry) so they don't look like a lagger"

This is what everyone who is opposed to the new update pretty much saying

That effects a small minority though. I imagine starting out not speaking English is very hard, being able to check peoples profiles to see if they are from your country may be helpful.

I disagree with that entirely. When you download the app, you accept that this app can do, and gain access to certain things, one of which is your location. This privacy excuse is exactly what I said - an excuse. It has no basis. I'd rather it show your location than show nothing at all. Especially considering your location is simply a country.

VPN use is not the primary reason as to why this was done lol.

Oh, it's that issue. Ha. I always found it hilarious that people needed your location, or your MS, to prove that you were lagging, rather than simply knowing someone lagged based on them obviously lagging on your screen. So sparrers like this update so they have an excuse when they lose, or to 'prove' someone lags? That's funny. Thanks for explaining the sparrer thing to me.

There is only one race, that is the human race. Moreover, I'm sure what you meant was nationality or ethnicity. In either case, it is definitely made up of a "bunch of other people who have no relation to you". In addition, I don't know why representing your nationality is so important, as someone once said...

Yeah Pigparty just asked why a lot of sparrers like this change. From what I've heard so far, this seems to be the sentiment.

Plus the rc has had a feature to show countries of everyone online for like 2 or more years now. (also what devices used).
Not sure if normal staff can do this but ips can be checked by higher staff either way

So everyone that is in a "delaycountry" shouldn't spar anymore? If they do they just get attacked by people who don't lag? Kinda seems like the sparring comminity is pushing these people away instead of figuring a way to let them enjoy it as you do. Then again I don't spar much so I wouldn't fully understand the point in this flag **** cuz it only really appeals to y'all. :\

+rep for human race thing, I always think that when others segregate themselves by race. This issue has nothing to do with race, though. Nationalism is a pride in your country, a similar example is your pride in your favorite sports team.

Just P.S. I am American and live in America so this has no personal issue to me whatsoever.

It's not foreign delay in itself that makes people angry (at least for more sensible people). Delay like this can't be helped, because they're far from the server. There isn't anything these people can do to change their scenario so I have no qualms with it.

It's intentionally lagging yourself to give the average person a harder time against you that a lot of people hate.

Staff actually have access to your IP (all staff did on iZone, but then they removed that for some reason, I assume it was a global change, rather than server change, so you're probably right that only high staff can see that now), they also have access to your email, and yes, the device you're using, whether it's jailbroken, and more. As I said before, when you download an app, you agree to give it special permissions which are unavoidable unless you choose not to download it.

I have pride in Trinidad.

Can't I toggle my lag no matter where I am? Revealing my flag wouldn't do anything to that situation, wouldn't it? That's a serious question, I'm not high-tech at all so I really don't know.

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A VPN makes someone lag by running them through another location instead of their own. So to the game, it would look like you're playing from, say, Singapore, rather than where you are, if you select that place to VPN from. Since the game thinks you're connecting from Singapore, the flag will change accordingly.

Well it sorta is helpful in a way but maybe staff should only be allowed to see this option? I don't see what players have anything to do in this situation other than report for questionable lag/delay.These people who do use it only to lag and win shouldn't be attack by sparrers either.

OH NO, sparrers will know where i'm from.
#classicpriorities

So it just reveals which country you're running it through? Doesn't seem to solve the actual issue, though. Can't a server actually block VPN?

But still though people can just use VPN and set it to their own countries. Even though the lag increase might not be much people can still do it. Hopefully staff can implement something to prevent this but I don't know if it's possible.

That answer I don't know. As for the moment, all people can tell is that someone is doing it. As was stated earlier, this wasn't the point of this update, but it does let people know. Fp4 stated somewhere else that this will be expanded on in the future, but nobody knows how.

There was...

Just a question - what if you live in a country where Graal doesn't have a flag image made for it?

People can just ddos themselves and have the same results as vpn cheating. Just to clear this up to whoever cares @sparrers

Does Kiribati have a flag

But lag is determined by your device speed, your connection-wifi/3g/4g etc not just area you are.. so you can't really base players latency off where they are from i.e my ipod2gen works at like 300+latency while my iphone 6 works at like 100 or something roughly, so this serves no purpose, unless its actually for the old idea of seeing actually how many are playing from uk/asia etc (if the last info was just based on the player picked flag idk.)

They have an "Other" flag.

Not anymore!