Posted by GraalianX (Post 635913)

both jobs needed to be nerfed since most of the people who do them use macros

Posted by TomatoPanda (Post 635958)

And most of those who used macros were Staff members lmao

Posted by Vulcan Blaze (Post 636663)

If you mine emeralds, for 1 hour, the most you can approx earn is about 6960, and that is with a diamond pick, which costs 400 each, every 1200 hits. With calculation, 1 Diamond pick can last for approx 44-45 emeralds.
The most I calculated you could mine in an hour approx is 240. Which means you will need 5-6 Picks every hour. This is 2000-2400.
So essentially approx the most you can earn mining emeralds now is 4560-4960 Gralats per hour, and thats if you mine non-stop, including time for when you move to mine another rock.
(An Approximation).

Posted by Vulcan Blaze (Post 636663)

If you mine emeralds, for 1 hour, the most you can approx earn is about 6960, and that is with a diamond pick, which costs 400 each, every 1200 hits. With calculation, 1 Diamond pick can last for approx 44-45 emeralds.
The most I calculated you could mine in an hour approx is 240. Which means you will need 5-6 Picks every hour. This is 2000-2400.
So essentially approx the most you can earn mining emeralds now is 4560-4960 Gralats per hour, and thats if you mine non-stop, including time for when you move to mine another rock.
(An Approximation).

And using those calculations, the max xp you can earn for emerald in an hour, with a Diamond pick is 24000.

Posted by iBubble (Post 636685)

I love seeing numbers like that, would actually look good and fit on a guide thread :p

Posted by Vulcan Blaze (Post 636688)

Mhm, I wasnt 100% sure if it was right x-x, it was all approx, thats why I didnt make it into a guide.
But I guess I can make a guide for all rocks, only to an approx though.
Made this: http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...692#post636692

Posted by Smity (Post 636869)

Your latest guide referring to rubies mined with a gold pick is fairly off, you said you could make around 30 (one gold pick) yet I'm making around 50 :/

Posted by Buzz (Post 638583)

Why can't the items prices just go up?

Posted by Kolo123 (Post 638736)

I made 30K gralats in two day. TWO DAYS. just to get they turkey blaster. all I did was grow raspberries and catch fish, even then I was only on at night lol.

Posted by Slick Vogediz (Post 638792)

once again showing still how easy it is to get anything you want without putting in much effort. i don't understand why anybody is complaining about this nerf.

Posted by Kolo123 (Post 638736)

I made 30K gralats in two day. TWO DAYS. just to get they turkey blaster. all I did was grow raspberries and catch fish, even then I was only on at night lol.

Posted by Buzz (Post 638583)

Why can't the items prices just go up?

Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 642732)

because then you have iera 2 and everyone will bitch that the games p2w

how about instead of being autistic ******s you should be saying buff everything to be on par with fishing. That way you can make good money plus be able to choose your poison and open up a lot more RP opertunity. Then you can actually have fun playing the game with less annoying grinding with macros n ****. Seriously people, everyother graal would kill to have OP job like fishing.

inb4 lol to ez
thats the point. You are playing a game after all, it should not be a chore. It ruins a lot of games. Also because of ez money you will convert a bunch of players over from other graal games especially era because lets face it, ol west is iera with a lot less bull**** that iera does. Stop trying to please the man upstairs, he literally does not give a ****. As long as people buy packs, its k. People will still buy tons of packs cause too lazy to work. Also if you are really concerned about people not buying enough packs, then give them things to buy. Crank out guns, melees, furniture, hats, and bodys like crazy. Don't even need to make them expensive. Its really not hard to crank out guns and melees, just come up with a template and a pattern for balancing.

TL;DR
Staff don't rip off the players for your lazyness. Buff jobs to be on par with fishing and do your job and release a lot of new items and stuff like that. Give us stuff to buy and we will buy packs because guess what? no one likes to grind out jobs.

Posted by Connortehpotato (Post 642759)

Buff every skill so people make more gralats, in doing this it will make people buy gralat packs. Got it!

Posted by Connortehpotato (Post 642759)

Buff every skill so people make more gralats, in doing this it will make people buy gralat packs. Got it!

Posted by xSupah* (Post 642769)

He clearly did not say that? He said buff the jobs as it make the game feel less of a chore. If the jobs are buffed or not, people would still buy gralat packs. There are those lazy people out there that would want to take the easy way out even if jobs gave good payout. You all are making this server feel p2w when it shouldn't be that case. Mining should not have gotten a nerf. Woodcutting definitely did not need a nerf. Only job that needed a nerf was bug catching but then again that was too severe. As Ghetto said, West is just Era without all the bs of spammy guns or free EC. But with the nerfs happening and the prices rising, this can be very well a rip-off of Era. It is turning into that pretty much.

Posted by Connortehpotato (Post 642759)

Buff every skill so people make more gralats, in doing this it will make people buy gralat packs. Got it!

Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 643109)

No you ****ing ******. Let me flowchart it out

Buff jobs = more money for less grinding
Less grinding = larger playerbase
Larger player base = more money cause no matter how easy something is people will always try to avoid it cause we would rather be playing the game not grinding and making it a chore to have fun
Releasing more items (doesn't need to be expensive, maybe 30k tops) = more things for players to buy
More things for players to buy = more money to spend therefore people will buy packs. Also will convert a large portion of most graal to old west because you guys are actually releasing things and are offering a fair deal to players.

Now since the man upstairs doesn't give 2 ****s because classic and era are making so much money for him, you can get away with this. Its not as profitable as nerfing everything to the ground and praying that people will stay. it can be very profitable though if you guys realese stuff like crazy. But if you want to grow a game and make a top game that graal could easily do since theres nothing like it on the appstore, then you gonna need to sacrifice profit and laziness and give the players a good deal. Thats one of the main reasons why graal gets up to like 4k and stops.

Posted by Connortehpotato (Post 643113)

The grind is the fun nerd. Buy packs if you don't want to partake in games skilling content because its obviously too hard for you.

Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 643109)

it can be very profitable though if you guys realese stuff like crazy.

Posted by Connortehpotato (Post 643113)

The grind is the fun nerd. Buy packs if you don't want to partake in games skilling content because its obviously too hard for you.

Posted by Slick Vogediz (Post 643253)

You cant simply constantly release things like crazy. that is not sustainable and you end up with a server overloaded with items in a very short time.

its been over a year and even with our super easy super op jobs and cheap prices we haven't had a steady growing player count. that said i don't think your idea about how undercutting other servers jobs and prices will steal players from other servers or get people to stay at ol west has been working too well. as i have said before being able to get everything easily makes it so people don't have to commit to the server to get anywhere in it so they don't stick around.

considering you are not a steady member of the ol west community and don't even know what is happening i don't think you have a credible opinion on whats happening here.

Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 643257)

>grinding
>fun

Thats cute, what if you are a jew with your money like me and hoard every shekel you have and need to spend on things you need like food, shelter, books for school etc. but you want to play ol west but the game takes so fuggin long to grind out jobs to get a decent weapon that you can stand a chance with. Whats going to happen? You do nothing but grind and your gun is still no where near good enough to compete with others cause this aint izone. I really want to play ol west and see how things have changed since the start but i do not have time to grind out ol west when i have school finals AND sports after school. I do not want to sell my soul to graal and be stuck grinding every time i get a break. No i want to have a social life.



holy **** dude that sounds like lazyness. You do guns. Wanna know how many guns i cranked out and 100% balanced in my first month of izone guns? Well over 17. Thats over 17 unique guns that have been field tested, used in combat, and did all the calculations of kill time and bullets to kill. Spent one hour a day in my ac lab just doing gun stats and testing them.

True im not an old west player. I want to be though. But i have been an OG iera and iclassic player (classic not so much) along with a very long standing izone player and I have seen the mistakes they made. I played through the golden age of izone and iera before it went to ****. I can tell you this right now. You are making the same mistakes as they did before. I know ol west has no growing player count, but holy **** the one thing it did right was it was very easy to get into. Current player count last i checked is average 200-700 about 6-7 months ago. Wanna know why you have no players? Not enough content. Do not give me the BS of hue there overflowing items. Theres no such thing. Gamers want more, there is no such thing as enough. If you do it right, you can release a ton of stuff as long as they are in a good porportion. Not do what iera did and release nothing but terrible melee weapons for a year. That got people mad about but dammit everyone was buying them meaning a majority of players wanted more melees.

Try it, i dare you to buff jobs to fishing levels, release items like crazy, rebalance the game. Your player count will rise. Hell even if you rebalance the game alone good enough your player count will rise. After the first round of rehauling izones guns, our player count average went up by 150. Because lower priced guns are able to compete with the top tier guns easily thus making less grinding more shooting and having fun so more people gonna play and stick with the game.

Posted by ForeverWinter (Post 643270)

I love how salty people are on the Ol west forums

Posted by OlWest (Post 643925)

Farming should also be nerfed with crops that die over time, longer wait times, and lower profits.

Posted by Connortehpotato (Post 643940)

Neat idea!

Posted by OlWest (Post 644007)

The entire OlWest community wants this nerf to happen to help balance the server economy.

Posted by OlWest (Post 644007)

The entire OlWest community wants this nerf to happen to help balance the server economy.

Posted by Dusty (Post 644078)

There should never be any sort of job that allows players to earn money while doing nothing.

Posted by OlWest (Post 643925)

Farming should also be nerfed with crops that die over time