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Red 12-06-2015 12:54 AM
making a change.org petition for this (probably won't grab any attention but its worth a shot)

https://www.change.org/p/players-and...edium=copyLink

James205 12-06-2015 12:55 AM
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Posted by OG (Post 641426)
making a change.org petition for this (probably won't grab any attention but its worth a shot)

https://www.change.org/p/players-and...edium=copyLink
That is a waste of time...

Red 12-06-2015 12:57 AM
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Posted by James205 (Post 641427)
That is a waste of time...
I know it is, but tbh it is really the only thing we have besides people like fp4, dusty and rufus who can most likely talk to unixmad directly.

PumaD 12-06-2015 12:59 AM
Skype him: unixmad

CM 12-06-2015 01:04 AM
if you make a petition i think it would be best to make the opening letter/description/text more professionally written

Thallen 12-06-2015 01:08 AM
Don't bother with any petition, I think that would be a complete waste of your time

Something I had just mentioned to someone is that one thing that I think really might be hampering down the server is the fact that the AFK disconnection has not worked for years

You used to be disconnected after 20 minutes and on every platform you'd need to click the button to reconnect - now you auto-reconnect on every single platform (unless the app is in the background and you're multitasking)
That's a client issue, which is something that someone like Stefan used to handle, but maybe local staff could implement some scripts to make this work properly again

I'm sure that some ridiculous percentage of the playercount is AFK and just consuming server resources at any given time

James205 12-06-2015 01:09 AM
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Posted by Thallen (Post 641432)
Don't bother with any petition, I think that would be a complete waste of your time

Something I had just mentioned to someone is that one thing that I think really might be hampering down the server is the fact that the AFK disconnection has not worked for years

You used to be disconnected after 20 minutes and on every platform you'd need to click the button to reconnect - now you auto-reconnect on every single platform (unless the app is in the background and you're multitasking)

That is a client issue, which is something that someone like Stefan used to handle, but maybe local staff can implement some scripts to make this work properly
I was just talking about this to someone an hour ago. The fact they removed it is probably to make numbers look better overall for the game but it really holds down the server.

PumaD 12-06-2015 01:10 AM
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Posted by Thallen (Post 641432)
Don't bother with any petition, I think that would be a complete waste of your time

Something I had just mentioned to someone is that one thing that I think really might be hampering down the server is the fact that the AFK disconnection has not worked for years

You used to be disconnected after 20 minutes and on every platform you'd need to click the button to reconnect - now you auto-reconnect on every single platform (unless the app is in the background and you're multitasking)
That's a client issue, which is something that someone like Stefan used to handle, but maybe local staff can implement some scripts to make this work properly

I'm sure that some ridiculous percentage of the playercount is AFK and just consuming server resources at any given time
Afaik, unixmad told Stefan to remove it to boost the playercount.

Red 12-06-2015 01:10 AM
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Posted by Thallen (Post 641432)
Don't bother with any petition, I think that would be a complete waste of your time

Something I had just mentioned to someone is that one thing that I think really might be hampering down the server is the fact that the AFK disconnection has not worked for years

You used to be disconnected after 20 minutes and on every platform you'd need to click the button to reconnect - now you auto-reconnect on every single platform (unless the app is in the background and you're multitasking)
That's a client issue, which is something that someone like Stefan used to handle, but maybe local staff could implement some scripts to make this work properly again

I'm sure that some ridiculous percentage of the playercount is AFK and just consuming server resources at any given time
more like %30 imo go look at the bank or graal city in general. Literal afk fest

Thallen 12-06-2015 01:12 AM
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Posted by PumaD (Post 641435)
Afaik, unixmad told Stefan to remove it to boost the playercount.
I don't understand why he'd want to do that, in respect to what it'd actually do for the game. Anything with metrics sent to Apple? I don't know.

If he wanted to give the impression that more players are playing than really are, he could just ask fp4 to add 20% to the playercount on the damn map or tell his web developer to inflate that number on the website, whatever...

James205 12-06-2015 01:14 AM
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Posted by Thallen (Post 641437)
I don't understand why he'd want to do that, in respect to what it'd actually do for the game. Anything with metrics sent to Apple? I don't know.

If he wanted to give the impression that more players are playing than really are, he could just ask fp4 to add 20% to the playercount on the damn map or tell his web developer to inflate that number on the website, whatever...
Can advertise the game/pimp it more saying 2500+ online players at all time vs how many without afk people. Maybe looking to sell? I have no idea lol

PumaD 12-06-2015 01:14 AM
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Posted by Thallen (Post 641437)
I don't understand why he'd want to do that, in respect to what it'd actually do for the game. Anything with metrics sent to Apple? I don't know.

If he wanted to give the impression that more players are playing than really are, he could just ask fp4 to add 20% to the playercount on the damn map or tell his web developer to inflate that number on the website, whatever...
I doubt he could think of something that complex.

kenthefruit 12-06-2015 01:21 AM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 641423)
Can't judge people like that. You don't even know how much they spend.
Unixmad is just the head (probably) of the people that manage graal.
Then there are the people who invest in graal and manage it's money.

I doubt Unixmad is the only person who decides where the money will be spent, and there are most likely a lot of other people that need to be paid.
Advertising, Accountants, Lawyers, etc.

The only thing that shows is that no matter how many of these rant threads are made, people will still play graal, and make ToonSlab more money.
Toonslab is not some big corporation, I've never heard of anyone else working for the company aside from Stephane Portha and Stefan Knorr. Probably because it has no need to be public knowledge, but there's not an employee base of 100 people working for the app.

also
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Advertising, Accountants, Lawyers, etc.
there is literally 0 advertisement for Graal Online, no money being spent in that department

Thallen 12-06-2015 01:21 AM
Isn't there some way to force a server change through GScript? Maybe there needs to be a dummy server filled with empty levels where everyone is sent after 10-20 minutes of being idle, and as soon as they move they are reconnected back to Classic, I don't know

effective.
Power
لُلُصّبُلُلصّبُررً ॣ ॣh ॣ ॣ
冗 these AFKers

Red 12-06-2015 01:57 AM
server just bugged out and put me in a singles spar with the 2 people sparring I had 0.5 health from another spar and died which gave me a loss.

Albie 12-06-2015 02:16 AM
Started a spar, lost my 13 streak because of the server spiking and kicking me off the spar.

Bryan* 12-06-2015 02:21 AM
Has the game been updated to iOS9 yet?

Dusty 12-06-2015 02:24 AM
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Posted by Xenthic (Post 641371)
I saw 4 people and one noob on a mount in a spar lmao it was literally a PK mosh pit in a spar. But yeah we really need 2 servers or something which has been suggested in the past a stat server (where the whole over world is PK/spar) and a afk/role play/social/events server for all the people who just hang out. It's a daily thing now and it's horrible I'm surprised after what 2 years it still hasn't been sorted out and it's gonna continue getting worse I wouldn't be surprised by 2017 the player count will at least be 4500 - 5000 by then.

Because I'm UK I'm above 100ms, below 2800 people I'm 130 - 140ms, 3000 I'm 140 - 160, 3200+ - 4000+ I'm 150 - 280 and maybe to 300 or more which happens rarely but it's horrible to play with.

Why can't nobody get unixmads attention? Why won't he sort this out? Why not put his email on the classic news so everyone can spam his ass to get him to sort this **** out.
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Posted by OG (Post 641375)
Exactly he does not give a single **** as long as he makes money
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Posted by Thallen (Post 641376)
unixmad is literally the only person with power to change this
I can pretty much guarantee you will not get his attention and convince him to upgrade the server
The reason why is beyond me
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Posted by OG (Post 641377)
The server is DYING right in front of us and we can't do anything because unixmad DOES NOT CARE AT ALL. If what dusty posted was not sarcasm I have the feeling that the staff obviously don't care.
https://gyazo.com/8a51da31b3880db334a919d2f30b008f.gif
Look at the above gif, it shows players being able to PK on the left and players failing to exit a spar after it has been finished
https://gyazo.com/b9817409cd664aee5df7cf4b14175b3f.gif
HOW IS THIS NOT A PROBLEM?
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Posted by OG (Post 641380)
If unixmad really thinks there is no proof he seriously has to be blinded by the gralat pack purchases that fund this server.
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Posted by Tenchu (Post 641381)
If that doesn't scream. "no lag at all" I don't know what does.
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Posted by David (Post 641384)
yeah crashing about every 10 minutes now consistently
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Posted by James205 (Post 641385)
Everyone get open broadcast software to record (easiest and best) to record some gold with how bad it is today
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Posted by Xenthic (Post 641386)
I can't even get on right now
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Posted by Kuz (Post 641389)
Knowing the staff on here...This lag will cause people to get stuck on buildings etc. and they'll ban them for "hacking/cheating"
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Posted by OG (Post 641390)
How much more proof do the staff and unixmad need? This is starting to get worse then it was during spring.
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Posted by Thallen (Post 641395)
http://puu.sh/lKM3f/c2adf4896e.png

I'm sure it's not a matter of him being unaware, I think he genuinely just gives 0 ****s. There's like 5 glaring typos in the email, but I don't think he can properly read half of it anyway.
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Posted by RedTheThief (Post 641397)
Doosty dont try to lie to us! Looting is also impossible without the ! :/
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Posted by OG (Post 641402)
I give you full permission, I'm still mind boggled as to WHY we haven't fixed this issue
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Posted by OG (Post 641420)
What does unixmad do with his weekly income from graal I wonder? most likely spend it on himself. There is no way he will even bother upgrading when the server is clearly hosted for an extremely cheap amount.
http://i.imgur.com/T3eAeDU.gif

Zideruic 12-06-2015 02:25 AM
There is no lag on classic.

fp4 12-06-2015 02:26 AM
today was particularly bumpy because i crashed the npcserver a few times so muh bad there guys.

on the flip side, idlers are handled differently now to use less resources overall.

Thallen 12-06-2015 02:27 AM
8-)

Elk 12-06-2015 02:27 AM
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Posted by fp4 (Post 641474)
today was particularly bumpy because i crashed the npcserver a few times so muh bad there guys.

on the flip side, idlers are handled differently now to use less resources overall.
oh?

Thallen 12-06-2015 02:35 AM
People on drasines and horses (I think?) don't trigger the built-in disconnection that's broken, just mentioning it in case that could be useful

Elk 12-06-2015 03:03 AM
i know unixmad, he wouldnt ban you because of this, youre just an immature child, thats what he thinks

jail on classic probably

Buffalo 12-06-2015 03:48 AM
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Posted by OG (Post 641083)
When is the server going to be upgraded/fixed, Its nearly impossible to spar, pk or bk atm and its been like this for months.
not much lag, but i'm sure everyone still freezes. Not sure what causes that tbh

Tenchu 12-06-2015 03:48 AM
http://i.imgur.com/vChyDF7.jpg

For when you get kicked idle

Striken 12-06-2015 03:52 AM
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Posted by Tenchu (Post 641523)
http://i.imgur.com/vChyDF7.jpg

For when you get kicked idle
LOL

Elk 12-06-2015 03:56 AM
this will crop the playercount, but surely enhance performance i guess

Thallen 12-06-2015 03:58 AM
it doesn't actually disconnect you, just warps you, so no effect on playercount

fp4 12-06-2015 04:03 AM
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Posted by Thallen (Post 641530)
it doesn't actually disconnect you, just warps you, so no effect on playercount
warped to a single player level where their actual effect on the server is minimal.

Mio 12-06-2015 04:19 AM
what lag? there's no lag 4 me.

but it did raise my ping by 100

Xenthic 12-06-2015 04:25 AM
It's cool n all trying to decrease the lag, but can we still focus on this money grabbing **** attention?

James205 12-06-2015 04:42 AM
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Posted by Thallen (Post 641530)
it doesn't actually disconnect you, just warps you, so no effect on playercount
And the server is still incredibly laggy/skippy


Also the warping thing is incredibly annoying.

Noxious 12-06-2015 04:51 AM
Uh, ya, really don't think the idlers are the issue as far as lag is concerned. I think we need a few suggestions for how to solve giant mobs of pkers that appear over the weekends to boost stats or the ones that spawn whenever there is an event *cough* hide and seek *cough*

EnVyNightmare 12-06-2015 04:55 AM
In my opinion, the game has gotten worse since the warping feature has been added, or maybe I am just noticing the games lag now....

Bryan* 12-06-2015 04:57 AM
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Thank you Coco! For making the game crash to find you for a silly mount. :angry: Two days straight admin has been hosting Hide & Seek, it's like they doing this on purpose.


http://www.graalians.com/forums/atta...1&d=1449377766

James205 12-06-2015 04:59 AM
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Posted by Bryan* (Post 641557)
Thank you Coco! For making the game crash to find you for a silly mount. :angry: Two days straight admin has been hosting Hide & Seek, it's like they doing this on purpose.


http://www.graalians.com/forums/atta...1&d=1449377766
It's not that the admin is at fault here, it's the fact this game can't handle this many players and isn't doing a good job at taking into account of growing. The game should be able to host events easily and the fact it cant goes beyond admins.

Bryan* 12-06-2015 05:01 AM
@James, I was being sarcastic lol, I know what's the issue here but once this event began, an increase of players started to flood into the server

James205 12-06-2015 05:02 AM
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Posted by Bryan* (Post 641559)
@James, I was being sarcastic lol, I know what's the issue here but once this event began, an increase of players started to flood into the server
I know I just had to say it.

Dusty 12-06-2015 05:12 AM
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Posted by Xenthic (Post 641543)
It's cool n all trying to decrease the lag, but can we still focus on this money grabbing **** attention?
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Posted by James205 (Post 641552)
And the server is still incredibly laggy/skippy


Also the warping thing is incredibly annoying.
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Posted by EnVyNightmare (Post 641556)
In my opinion, the game has gotten worse since the warping feature has been added, or maybe I am just noticing the games lag now....
http://i.imgur.com/T3eAeDU.gif

EnVyNightmare 12-06-2015 05:14 AM
There....there isn't lag...there....there never was lag....

Thallen 12-06-2015 05:18 AM
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Posted by EnVyNightmare (Post 641556)
In my opinion, the game has gotten worse since the warping feature has been added, or maybe I am just noticing the games lag now....
Ya, the idle warping is causing the lag, not the 20-minute event that Coco just hosted that had everyone running through every level on the server and mass PKing

James205 12-06-2015 05:23 AM
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Posted by Thallen (Post 641566)
Ya, the idle warping is causing the lag, not the 20-minute event that Coco just hosted that had everyone running through every level on the server and mass PKing
I wish they would actually fix the problem vs making gameplay worse...

Aguzo 12-06-2015 05:51 AM
The thing is, wherever there are a lot of people, that's where the rest will want to be. It is a social game after all. Maybe the level design is just bad then?

How can you move 2/3 of graal city to other locations? Once Destiny died out, everyone just went back to the city.

You have to give the other areas a sense of purpose.

Farming crops at destiny. Finishing Destiny...
Would it be that bad if they moved the gs arenas to Belle? Was at swamp before, I wouldn't mind.(Giving actual guild spar stats for others to see)
Putting more repeatable quests around the map, ex. Witch asking you for x amount of bugs that are currently available around the map.

Relic 12-06-2015 07:27 AM
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Posted by Bryan* (Post 641557)
Thank you Coco! For making the game crash to find you for a silly mount. :angry: Two days straight admin has been hosting Hide & Seek, it's like they doing this on purpose.


-snip-
It's ok to be jealous of my super cute, rainbow spitting unicorn mount. :)

http://i.imgur.com/ryyhtf4.png

fp4 12-06-2015 07:39 AM
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Posted by James205 (Post 641570)
I wish they would actually fix the problem vs making gameplay worse...
The 'problem' is not that simple to fix. Based on what I've seen getting the server moved should help from a networking stand point but it's not the be-all and end-all fix for the issues we're facing.

Anyone familiar with the server moves of the past know how much can go wrong, especially when the one with a huge chunk of the knowledge has left the company.

Hardware-wise I'm not sure how much we can truly scale up anymore so we have to develop new methods to scale out (e.g. instancing / separate servers) while keeping the game experience seamless as possible but these would require changes the server software itself and decentralizing systems and databases that weren't designed with that in mind.

I'm hoping when a 'new Stefan' comes along I (and other notable devs) can help influence these changes and get more functionality built-in rather than kludged on top in GS2.

James205 12-06-2015 07:48 AM
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Posted by fp4 (Post 641596)
The 'problem' is not that simple to fix. Based on what I've seen getting the server moved should help from a networking stand point but it's not the be-all and end-all fix for the issues we're facing.

Anyone familiar with the server moves of the past know how much can go wrong, especially when the one with a huge chunk of the knowledge has left the company.

Hardware-wise I'm not sure how much we can truly scale up anymore so we have to develop new methods to scale out (e.g. instancing / separate servers) while keeping the game experience seamless as possible but these would require changes the server software itself and decentralizing systems and databases that weren't designed with that in mind.

I'm hoping when a 'new Stefan' comes along I (and other notable devs) can help influence these changes and get more functionality built-in rather than kludged on top in GS2.
I'm a mobile dev for a company so I have a lot of experience with the complications.

Graals problem is it's having major growing pains and with the departure of Stefan (AT A REALLY BAD FRIGGIN TIME I WILL ADD) it seems no one really has the authority to go in and mitigate the issues. There really isn't a plan for scaling at this level...

I do feel strongly that as things have been growing, a lot of features have been taken away and has actually hurt gameplay (example level phasing) vs actually improving the experience.

There are solutions but this game needs someone with experience that can go in and get their hands dirty to make a difference.

Also the app hasn't been updated in over a year since Stefan being let go, big indicator of issues :(

TLDR - Graal needs a lead dev again, it's hurting/holding the game back big time.

Elk 12-06-2015 07:48 AM
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Posted by fp4 (Post 641596)
plea to unixmad
:love:

everyone is free to apply

https://techmeabroad.com/offers/seni...t-toonslab-ltd

THIS IS NO PR POSITION ON GRAAL, I REPEAT, NO PR POSITION!

Aguzo 12-06-2015 08:18 AM
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Posted by Elk (Post 641599)
:love:

everyone is free to apply

https://techmeabroad.com/offers/seni...t-toonslab-ltd

THIS IS NO PR POSITION ON GRAAL, I REPEAT, NO PR POSITION!
Why is TS looking for people who work with 3D?

Elk 12-06-2015 08:23 AM
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Posted by Aguzo (Post 641603)
Why is TS looking for people who work with 3D?
people probably wondered the same before warcraft 3 came out :smile:

its not toon slab, its toons lab lol


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