You aren't awnsering my question. Is there a problem agreeing with the problems i stated? because what i stated is part of what i believe should happen to help this country. Trumps beliefs partly align with mine, so if the time comes and Sanders is out (highly likely) i would go trump.

Naw man the piñata is to great to be breaked.

Is it true Donald trump wants to get rid of all muslims

Youre a tough guy jeb, thats why im at 42% and you're at 3%.

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He just wants to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States.

no, he wants to protect the American people by not allowing a particular people in temporarily.

-not all muslims are terrorists
-but almost all terrorists are muslim

What a convenient tale. The media claims most terrorists are Muslims, and when we attack them and they defend themselves with whatever means they have—we sensationalize it as more terrorism. This is erroneous.

That is such a massive generalization. From 1990 to 2005, according to the FBI, 6% of terrorist attacks were from Islamic extremists. Whereas Jewish extremists were responsible for 7%. I am Jewish, so don't get me wrong, I am not trying to insult Jews, but honestly, stop listening to everything the Media says about Islam.

Thank you!

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I think people make judgments about Trump's level of intelligence because he says things that aren't politically correct, but there's no correlation there. He's clearly an intelligent and accomplished guy.

In the past 8 years, America has taken on this burden of being babysitter for countries in the Middle East and I hate it. When problems occur over there, we don't have to intervene and waste billions of dollars trying to stabilize these regions, but we do it, we get **** on for it, and we fail. We seem to inhibit ourselves by playing by rules that the people who attack and steal from us don't.

I have no opinion on if we should have a temporary ban from Muslims entering the US, but it's just funny to me that people act like that's the most horrific thing they've ever heard. Really? We don't have the right to protect ourselves until we're assured we've got the right intelligence and understanding of the problem? People try to apply our Constitution to people who aren't even legal citizens of our country yet, I don't understand.

During the last debate, he got booed for suggesting we should find the terrorists and kill them and their families. We're following a thousand-page rulebook while the people killing and stealing from us don't even have one. I think we should do that, and I also agree with Cruz saying we should saturation bomb the entire region surrounding the caliphate.

To be fair a lot of the current issues in the ME that we face in the West stem from the fact that the US decided to invade Iraq. No one asked Bush to do so and, if you recall, many protested against it (including Americans). You make a mess, you gotta clean it up right.

Many Americans believe it's our job to babysit other countries due to the sales pitch they see on TV or from salesmen recruiters looking for a dime, because they've been indoctrinated into a media that tells them that the world is full of terrible places that need our acts of heroism. Then, men get paid good $$ to go over there, and believe they will retain bragging rights; however, they get over there only to have the reality set in that they are a pawn in a giant chess board run by business men—and the original agenda was not that these places needed us to save them. We are such a young country built on many atrocities, and our energy needs to be focused on transforming ourselves; instead, however, you are missing the point that capitalism isn't all about justice—it's about dog-eat-dog economics.

The blueprints for our country were ripe for foreign invasion; we are literally secretly overrun by wealthy international forces from all over the globe, no different than America has been busted hundreds of thousands of times for slave labor, child labor, & wage slave both here & in foreign trade.

Made in China.

Australian here! Sick of our country sucking on the toes of other countries because our political parties are too scared of criticism to do anything about this global problem of terrorism and migration.

We legitimately let 10000 Syrians into the ****ing country without even processing them correctly "they'll find a job and work" no they ****ing won't, They live off of tax payer money and end up more well off then most families who are in financial trouble.

Its a ****ing disgrace.

I'm really gonna hate voting in the next election. Would love to vote Republican but to me it seems like every candidate is at satirical levels of right wing politics. And currently it seems the only relevant democrats are Hillary and Sanders; Hillary is awful for a plethora of reasons, and all of the things Sanders is promising are impossible or impractical.

At this point I don't even care about voting for someone I agree with, I just want a candidate who has the slightest grasp of economics, or isn't an absolute asshat.

I agree with this most of this post. I highly doubt Trump believes most of what he says, its just fear mongering and riling up old people so he can rake in votes from the only people that actually vote.

Pretty much sums up how I feel about this election as well.

At this point, I'd settle for anyone who isn't going to get my country nuked.

Ya but the middle east was already messed up **** hole before iraq.

Yep.

Don't do it GOAT even though it's a good opening. :( I think you should do a serious reply.:(







All I have to say is "an for an eye until the whole world goes blind"


Can't believe I'm a compare this to my forum trolling, but here it goes.

Hypothetically speaking here, say I was a total ahole douchebag that went around insulting everyone and trolling everyone into arguments, would it make someone any different if they acted the same way under the excuse that I act that way? If I'm able to bring someone to my level then he's no different than me.

If our founding fathers thought the same way as "our enemies" then this wouldn't be the United States it would have been the Middle east with white skin people.



My only issue with the Donald is that he's making alright to hate. We been trying for over 200 years to get rid of hate and it only takes one campaign to set the movement back 50 years. I'm glad people want their country to be "great" again, but they should figure out what the real problem is in the first place. BTW the US government doesn't help just to help, if you look closely there's always a benefit from succeeding.




There might be bad people hiding as refugees, but there's also innocent people. In case someone missed this story. Sad stuff.
http://www.dailysabah.com/nation/201...on-of-refugees

Playing devils advocate here.. Social movements should never take precedence over national security. Not saying that discriminating against muslims in anyway protects the country more.

Murdering civilians is not defensive. I'm not going to go for convincing you that the US Military is not terrorists; but mass killings of civilians hundreds of miles away that have no affiliation with your problems is not defending themselves. That is 100% terrorism.

People need to stop trying to justify murder. What the US is doing/has been doing is awful, but that doesn't make what terror groups are doing okay.

1. Source.

2. Does that percentage take into account casualties?

3. Does it take into account location/causation?

Can't just throw out percentages and say what others are saying is a generalization.

We literally kicked the Pakistanis out by the 1950s, then bombed a bunch of innocent people. What you call "American military" is terrorism, and what you call terrorism is victims defending themselves from a foreign invasion.

Killing civilians isn't defense from foreign invasion. I'd love to know how attacks like the one on Paris have in anyway helped or protected the middle east.

I know loss, scorn, theft, rape, defilement, scapegoating, condemnation, and injustice like few other; you don't know suffering sufficiently to understand war and rage, and most people are too privileged and safe to understand survival mode. The disgrace on their beliefs alone in the media is enough to poke a lion; add the war, and you've invoked a rag tag team of soldiers who will despise your concerts while men sit around eating snacks and wine doing nothing about their suffering except demonizing

It's not as simple as telling them to "get over it", either. You can't replace the details of their art, stories, homes, culture, loved ones, etc. that have been stolen for nothing but money. You can't take back the grief; there will be no appeal strong enough

This brightened my day

That has no relevance to what I said.

I told you. They have a valid vendetta, and torturing other countries until the world acknowledges their excruciating grief instead of debating about it for fun is a war tactic. I'm done educating you. I'm not getting paid

Would probably be better off just not replying anymore

You realize most of the victims are from their country and share the same religion? What did those people do?? Nothing, this is blatant terrorism and nothing more. They have made it clear the U.S isn't their only target, they want to kill everybody and conquer everyone who refuses to join them, these people feel no grief they feel nothing.

You know why we accept refugees? Because those are the people that desperately want help and we are giving them it, you are defending the wrong group of people.

They do this out of religion, which is why their mission statement is "Allahu Akbar" which translates to "God is Greater", not "We Are Grieving Please Help Us".

I get what you're saying now that you explained it. But no one is going to acknowledge their grief, the general public is just gonna hate the "terrorists" and support the government bombing the crap out of them. And when it comes down to it, when the US populous supports military action, the military is gonna get **** done.

Elaborate, because if you're referring to his suggestion that we temporarily pause the admission of Muslim immigrants to this country, then that isn't hate... We're in a war that is being forced upon us by radical Islam. Our Constitution doesn't apply to terrorists. We don't have to let terrorists, or anyone who might be a terrorist, into this country if we feel like that's the necessary safety precaution.

This isn't new, we did this in WW2 and it was a lot harsher. Not only did we not let them in this country, we took 100,000 people living in America with Japanese ancestry and we completely relocated or incarcerated them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...nese_Americans

You won't win the war against terrorism by flinching and tiptoeing around every policy at the off chance that you might offend a Muslim...

About the whole Trump thing, a lot of news sources are using him as bait to get more viewers and often exaggerate what he says. I've seen so many headlines about him insulting Muslims/Women/Mexicans and immigrants in general and that's probably where his negative reputation comes from.

I think these refugees and immigrants should be coming to Canada over America, we have a lot more room for them and don't care as much as Americans since we haven't been affected by terrorism as much as you guys, that's probably what will happen if he does get elected in and stops immigration.

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Yea and if you resist the draft in your country, you go to jail; in early times "you're for us or against us". Same principal. They stand for Islam and justice, and many of them mean well I'm sure. Of course American/Israeli media will do nothing to harm our image or make their target appear innocent or understood in anyway. I don't see what's different from this war and the early Spanish/British theft of the west or other wars. Your government approved media will always make their enemy appear unfathomably unacceptable and inhumane, cruel and unusual, suspect, untrustworthy, dangerous, and crazy. Duh. But think about it

Would really love to link countless videos of ISIS brutally executing children, civilians, and dumping hundreds of bodies into pits for justice but it's not forum-appropriate. I'm not going to sit here and debate with someone who thinks what they do is justified so not going to post anymore (unless directed towards someone else).

Also before you say it, these videos are uploaded by ISIS not our media.

I didn't say all they do is justified, and you don't have to talk to me. You chimed in. I'm simply saying there's a more comprehensive way of looking at things, and frankly they use torture because of how powerless they are. If we were a very poor nation and another country started blackmailing us, we'd band up and use torture to scare them away too. Those who didn't protect the nation would be considered treasonous. Now since you cannot have a discussion without trying to speak for my opinions, it is best you move on. I am describing reality and their viewpoint and strategies, not giving you opinions

Saudi Arabia is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, they're in Yemen. Qatar is spending billions on the World Cup, ISIS is at their doorstep. They don't care, because they know that once this issue reaches its boiling point the US will send in its military and the US taxpayers will come out of their pockets to fight someone else's war.

We'll be investing another 10 years of ground troops towards stabilizing a region that is not able to be stabilized. "But you took their oil," we should be taking their oil. We should be taking the resources we need to take to pay off the debt that they're putting us in when we're fighting their war. Oil is the biggest profit niche for ISIS, so you tell me who you'd rather see the oil of Iraq and Syria in the hands of?

Has anyone ever thought about ISIS not being some terror **** but an actually, modern-time revolution? Regardless the results, that thought sure is interesting.

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Uh oh sounds like someone hates children, America, and everyone on here. jk

Napolean, HitIer, Stalin and who not done all the same stuff. The only differences is the time being, and the weaponry of course. But then again, if people had those "chances" before they would use them aswell, no?
Hence the comparison is p. interesting, yet may sound disrespectful to some people..

*Napoleon lol.

Modern revolution evolved into castrating innocent people for attention?

Boy, we sure have come a long way.

Check my previous post and add media etc to it and there we go.

I don't know why people preach about protecting freedom of speech then have no concept of questioning topics in open speech. They speak about ISIS and politics everywhere as if they are doing a national speech and have to cater to opinions. The American nation was founded on revolution, treason, slavery, child labor, sexism, theft, homophobia, child killing, torture, and more. We burned people at stakes. I don't agree with stuff, but for people to gladly preach an innocent country and patriotism while attacking another revolution doesn't add up. Anyone who takes offense is looking for it. We are posting in some ragtag thread in the off topic version of the generic Graal forums. Whoopty-doo; NOBODY QUESTION ANYTHING, by all means. Very serious stuff lol

We don't even take that much oil from them. Most of our oil comes from the US or is imported from Canada. Maybe back in 2008 we were getting around 10% from Saudi Arabia, but that's totally irrelevant today.

Who's forcing America to fight the war for Middle East...no one.They can do it themselves.Why intervene...OH yes! because you want to. You want a part in the oil because that's the most profitable business in the world right now. But,when the Middle East didn't want to share their oil..."Let's do the 9/11 and Osama Bin Laden **** so we can get a reason to take it for us." Oh mind me,America entered Iraq a long time ago.

Face it, the current world power can't take on a bunch of terrorist militants who have no professional training whatsoever...But they seem trained to me, i mean not everyone can pick up a fight with America and survive like this. Because you people spawned Taliban/AL Quaeda and trained them to fight Russia. After it ended,you wanted to take their land too and now all of this is happening.

That's easy for you to say, because you're probably not living in the First World or in a superpower like the US, UK, Russia, etc. If a country like us doesn't intervene, the vacuum created by terrorist groups in these regions becomes so big that they probably have the capability to overthrow local governments, and then what do we eventually have on our hands? A bunch of idiots armed with nuclear and/or chemical weapons that they're willing to fire off for their 72 ******s? No thanks, pal.

I'd love to stop interfering in "polite" ways though, because we're getting **** on for it. We get criticized if we don't intervene, and we get taken advantage of if we do. We need to stop sending in ground troops and start flying over with B-52s. Innocent people will die, but that's part of war and sending a message that we can't be threatened or toyed with.

Is that a joke? Like I said before, the US has to play by a particular set of rules that these scumbags don't. A few radical Islamists shooting AR15s at innocent people in California is nothing compared to the complete destruction that we could do to ISIL. If a Republican wins the election, especially Trump or Cruz (which I'm sure they won't), then it's not going to be pretty for that region of the world.

When he came out he started going off on illegal immigrants (Mexicans) and how they were the problem. He made it ok to be hateful towards the illegal immigrants that were ruining this country. San Bernardino (happens to be 30 minutes away from me) shootings occur and now it's the Muslims' turn to get the hate.

I don't know the statistics, but targeting a religion with X amount of members because 1% of them are lunny doesn't sound logical. I don't know how easy it is for others to enter the US legally, but it's almost impossible for Mexican and anybody south of them(not counting rich people)

The US already does a good job at screening applicants.

Now lets talk about the refugees. We can do the moral thing and help people that are fleeing their war torn countries or let them fend for themselves.



I see what you're saying, but wasn't the US one of the contributors to the current problem? Wasn't Iraq somewhat stabilized when Hussein was in power?





Beside the oil I would say they prefer a more westernized version of the middle east. That would make it easier to control and manipulate. Imagine the US controlling the middle east? cashinggggg :P

70% of my spent life was in Dubai.I had to move to Pakistan for studies and some other reasons.Anyways,if you think Saudia isn't doing anything to fend off these militant groups then you are wrong.They just don't go to the podium and boast it to the whole world that they are also taking steps to fight these kind of extremist groups.You Americans act like you people are the only one under attack.16th December,2014...200+ school students were brutally killed by the hands of these extremist groups so calling them islamic groups is so wrong.

You people are already using your planes and whatnot to get your hands on whatever you want.You kill **** load of innocents everyday.It's just that they ain't white enough for Europe and America to notice.One of your apache or something was shot down in Pakistan as i remember.Stop blaming everything on Middle East.You people arn't the only nation affect from this.If you ever have any chance to come by South Asia,you will feel that you live in a heaven there in America.

It's a white world my man. Black girl goes missing and no one cares. White girl goes missing and Nancy Grace is demanding justice. National manhunt. 1k's gathered for search parties. How many people knew about the story below? Odds are that a very few.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/...ded-to-ignore/

and now listen to what Russell Peters says. He's a comedian but it's true.

The Obama Administration Stopped Processing Iraq Refugee Requests For 6 Months In 2011

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/...onths-in-2011/