So many people saying that they can't wait for weed to be legalised yet they'd be too scared to smoke it even if it was xd

Yeahhh not like we don't see crashes everyday related to marijuana more than drunk related.

Make it legal and grow a vast amount of it in USA and sell it to other country's like China and make them all high lazy workers while also getting money for selling it and then more money for our **** economy.

I'm non-pro life the less population the better!

Just make it have same rules as drinking and everything would be fine just no smoking it at public events like at a high school football game I hate having to smell that **** when I'm trying to watch sports.

I know it's a played out story but when I was younger I was diagnosed with "depression", and had the choice to take anti-depressants or just do my own thing, and of course I chose to do my own thing, seeing that I was younger and didn't give a **** about anything. Then as life went on I progressively got more annoyed and disgusted with things/people who I usually were fine with, no reason why. I actually reached a point where my friends even annoyed me when they weren't really doing anything provoking of such feelings. Then one day when I was bored I decided I'd smoke a joint with my friends sister, (I think in like sixth grade) this was probably when I was at my worst mental state. Afterwards of course I went through that, "Oh I'm tripping so hard" state. But as I continued to smoke more often I started to gain a new outlook on life, people started to notice that I was more happy and it made me more productive in school, mainly because I was constantly thinking about what would happen to me or my future if I didn't, whereas before I had sort of the, "**** it I don't give a ****, what's the point of all this", mentality. It changed my whole perception. So for you to say it's, "dumb" to legalize it is just pretty ignorant in my opinion. I know a lot of people that it has helped and you can be successful while smoking, it's all in the mentality. Got me through middle and highschool, now I'm in College and everyone does it haha.

Obviously you've never been high, so I wouldn't compare being high and drunk, they are two VERY different feelings. Most stoners can function but most alcoholics can't function. I'm not saying it's okay to drive stoned, but if you can handle it then it's definitely not as dangerous as driving drunk.

China has more drug users, or a very close amount.
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Res...inal.pdf?la=en

That's because most of the users on this forum are kids, and I think it's probably a good thing they don't do illegal drugs.

**** hypocrisy I know I was a bad kid, legal for me now though.

It would be nice if people didn't walk around shooting each other either, can't just stop people from committing atrocious acts, drunk driving being one in my opinion, it's considered manslaughter for a reason.

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Not many accidents because of Marijuana.

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I have been high before numerous times and in a vehicle with a driver who was high, stop thinking you guys are good at driving high because you aren't you just think that because you are HIGH.

I don't want to live in a society where a go to solution for your problems and bad feelings is to go sit around and do drugs (which can act as a gateway into other drugs and bad behavior - as shown by you), you act like weed was the only option you had when you voluntarily turned down an actual medical solution to your depression.

You guys hype weed and act like it's the greatest thing out there that magically makes everyone go happy feel good better people but it doesn't.

I have seen so many friends get into this stuff and end up ruining parts of their life they end up regretting.

Under no circumstance should someone drive while high or drunk, trying to convince young teenagers otherwise is stupid.

Anyone who actually needs it can legally get it with the way the current system works, and IMO should be how it stays.

My brother is the best driver I know other than my dad, and he smokes it up while I'm in the passenger. He's just as good of a driver, if not better, since he doesn't road rage. In other words, it helps him act in reason of logic rather than anger, allowing him to function better.

I wouldn't doubt it if he ever smoked before an autocross race.

JS there are exceptions, so some topics cannot be generalized.

Free the weed

Great maybe he can drive good for him, but not everyone is your brother and saying driving while high is good and not a bad thing to do because it's "better" is not acceptable and will just make people think they are alright to drive when they aren't.

It WAS my solution for depression, that was the entire point of what I posted. I eventually got a medical card for it, it's also a lot healthier and builds less of a dependency, then your, "medical solution".

And I didn't say you should drive high, I just stated the obvious fact that it is WAY less dangerous than drunk-driving.

And no offense, but your friends must be ****ing ******ed if they can ruin their lives just because they smoked weed. People always are under the false assumption that weed is the reason people mess up their lives, but really it's the user. Because people typically associated with weed are morons (because of it's bad reputation) then they assume weed is the cause, when in reality it serves no part in the events, unless however the user is a really big idiot and just bases their whole life around weed.

Weed has been proven countless times to not be harmful to your mental, and barely to your physical. The test that said it can harm your lungs was performed so long ago and the subjects (monkies) were in a room deprived of oxygen and only THC being pumped in. Of course they'd lose brain cells, most of the rumors about weed (not all, it'd be ignorant to say that) are simply fabricated.

im against it. if we legalize it, percentage of marijuana users will increase. u guys know that alcohol age limit changed back to 21, cus it reduced the amount of accidents etc

Just want to say that those statistics are not effective claims for why marijuana should be legalized (the claim is "because alcohol is legal, marijuana should be too"). Alcohol is available nearly at any store, and is accessible to pretty much anyone of any age. Marijuana usage (of some type) is available in only 23(?) states. In states where it is illegal, it is expensive and hard to come by (people usually resort to illegally purchasing the substance). As a result, less people have access to large amounts of marijuana, meaning there are less people "high" on marijuana than there are people drunk every minute.

The legalization of marijuana would lead to a few things (in terms of those statistics): access to marijuana to all people would increase, meaning younger people have easier access to the substance (even if it was made for 21+ only, younger people would still have easy access). Producing of marijuana goes up, allowing more and more people to purchase it, causing its price to ultimately go down due to more and more being cheaply produced, further increasing its access to people. The amount of people "high" undoubtedly goes up, resulting in more daily fatal car accidents. Overdose, assaults, violence and crime go up in correspondence to the rising amount of marijuana usage; this results in more deaths caused by marijuana, completely altering those statistics.

More people will obviously die from alcohol each year than from marijuana because alcohol is accessible in more places than marijuana is. That's why I personally do not think those statistics are reasonable forms of support for why marijuana should be legalized.

tldr; "Marijuana should be legalized because alcohol is legal and more people die from it than marijuana" isn't a good claim

Just my two cents.

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Weed isn't a gateway. It's the user who makes the dumb decisions to do ******ed drugs

"Under no circumstance should someone drive while high or drunk, trying to convince young teenagers otherwise is stupid."

I see you've changed your generalized statement.

Anyway, I'm not exactly for it. I mean, there are healthier alternatives to most of the benefits people tend to link to weed. I think it's ridiculous to compare to alcohol, as it's a completely different drug, with completely different side effects, and completely different methods of dosing (if that's the right word).

Thanks for the reps anyway lol

Becauase people like you make it sound like the greatest thing ever so they try it (weed) and want to try more and more drugs to reproduce the feeling they got while high because weed can easily become an addiction.

You guys have to realize weed affects everyone differently and for some it can be damaging and this is why I am against legalizing it, I'm not going to bring up personal stories in my life on Graalians but I've seen more than enough to know weed can have negative impacts.

Even suggesting it as a fix for depression is bad, don't mix depression with mind altering substances it can be very dangerous for some people.

Well not every person is just going to get up and buy a joint.

Laws that prevent minors from using legal drugs are enforced and legalizing weed won't exactly plunge the nation into anarchy.

Must spread :'(

I was using a personal experience to express my point, the irony of the matter however is that you not three posts ago brought up two different personal experiences.

And please state these personal experiences, because if you ask anyone who has tried it, I guarantee most of them will describe it with enthusiasm. And unless you live in some kind of afterschool special I bet my ass you don't have a negative experience.

Other than your meth head friends who started doing intense drugs because they smoked something that supposedly makes everyone paranoid already, and I guess hardcore drugs that **** you up are the result of paranoia, right?

A large amount of people who don't smoke marijuana now will very likely make some type of purchase of it.

"Hey, look at this thing that everyone is talking about, I'm going to try it out. Also, it's legal!"

Also, enforced laws are great and all, but underaged drinking is illegal as well, and how many minors drink each year? It's a lot of them, and marijuana will not be an exception.

It's easy enough for enforced laws to be avoided; really, all a teenager has to do in order to even gain access to alcohol is to just take it from mom and dad's alcohol cabinet. I'm not saying every minor would do this, but that's just an example of how accessible it is - marijuana will become the same.

Are these not personal experiences?

If you're using the argument that marijuana shouldn't be legal just because alcohol is, because alcohol is harmful too, I expect you to be against alcohol legalization. Otherwise I don't understand your points.

So you're saying that because some kids will take it that it should be illegal? What about bleach, rat poison, other dangerous household needs, are you saying these should all be illegal because some kid might take it from their parents?

It's insanely easy to get weed either way, some people don't like breaking the law though, are you saying they should be denied something that could possibly help them because some kid would steal it?

Yeah. Makes sense.

Most people saying that is simply using alcohol to express that we should be able to make our own decisions, or supposedly.

I'm totally against legalizing marijuana. However I don't support the drug war or possession being a criminal offense.

I also can't believe anyone honestly thinks that driving under the influence of marijuana
A. shouldn't be a crime
B. doesn't endanger other people on the road
C. improves your ability to operate a vehicle

As someone who has had to suffer being driven by people under the influence of both alcohol and marijuana (two separate events), I can say that driving high improves your driving just about as much as driving drunk.

Me stating I've done it and was in a car with a high driver is not stating a personal experience - it's me answering a question you and Goten asked.

You guys have heavily flawed logic and I don't need to go into detail about personal things because I can already tell you will all have stupid replies about it, but, I can tell you that I feel better when I am not high and being high for me is boring because I already feel great regardless of being in an altered state or not.

Well firstly I never even said marijuana should be illegal. I just said that the claim "marijuana be legal because alcohol is" doesn't work because of multiple factors that I already described.

Secondly, your analogy with household cleaning items doesn't make sense because drinking bleach will hospitalize you. Marijuana has a chance of not, and children take alcohol from their parents with the intent of having fun/looking cool. A child with intent of drinking bleach or rat poison should probably see a therapist.

And thirdly, again, never said that. Also I don't know what weed will do for you medical wise that an actual prescribed drug won't do. Most people do weed with the intent of feeling good - not curing their depression.

So, yeah, it does make sense.

How can you say that? Because some ****head crashed his car under the influence? Yet there's millions of people who drive a day stoned and don't crash their cars, yet it's insanely likely that under the influence of alcohol you will crash.

I can't believe I have to keep reiterating this, but I don't see anyone here blatantly saying that driving under the influence of Marijuana is good, we're simply stating that it's easier as a positive as opposed to alcohol.

Aside from the jibber jabber about how one might obtain weed, I ask one simple question --

Why smoke in the first place? I just want to know the other side of things. I know why I haven't smoked it, and it has absolutely nothing to do with lawfulness. It's clearly a counterculture in American and other societies, meaning there must be a reason, but I never really understood.

LOL A CHANCE OF NOT

Anyone hospitalized because of weed has to seriously be ****ing ******ed. Find me ONE serious incident where someone has entered the hospital, actually let me help you out.

100 million Americans have or do smoke Marijuana on a continuous basis, look up how many have been hospitalized because of it, then come back with that same argument.

Barely even .1% of smokers have been hospitalized as a result of it.

Yeah? That's a personal opinion, if you haven't noticed most of the people here are against your opinion and enjoy the feeling, doesn't mean your wrong, just means that you have the latter of the opinions.

And which stupid replies are you referring to? All the ones opposing your opinion? Man I thought you were better than that Colin.

Not everyone feels as great as you, mental illnesses are a thing, and Marijuana is wayyyyyyyy healthier than the typically prescribed pills, did you know your body usually builds up a dependence of those and has to be built down, just like crystal ****ing meth.

Weed isn't for everyone. It has its pros and cons but smoking anything is bad for you. If smoking isn't your thing but still want to get high then do tea or bake it with something

Yeah all of those people who got taken advantage of while under the influence sure are "******ed".

Uh good for them? Don't know what this has to do with the fact that "marijuana should be legal because alcohol is" is still a bad argument.

Also that's the one thing you commented about from my post, so I assume you agree with everything else I said?

It's not letting me quote your part about mental illness, but you clearly do not know the difference between a neurological disorder and mental illness.

There is plenty of people here saying that driving under the influence of weed doesn't harm your driving ability; and I have heard/seen plenty of people say that they drive better high in case no one actually said that in this thread.

I don't see why it is relevant that it is easier to drive high than drunk though; both are illegal, and more dangerous than driving sober.

Taken advantage while under the influence of Marijuana? Ohhhhh boy.

It doesn't make you ****ing helpless. Anyone who hasn't fought back or screamed was obviously already in a situation where they were helpless, so weed has nothing to do with it, or simply wanted it. So yeah those people are ******ed.

Replies like this are the stupid ones I am talking about, these statements are very arrogant.

You want personal experience? OK here's one:

My " ****ing ******ed" cousin who suffered from depression and other issues tried getting high because everyone had made it sound like it was really good, what happened? It just enhanced his depression and he tried to take his life while under the influence resulting in him being paralyzed from the waist down for the rest of his life.

A LOT of people injure them selves while high or end up getting put into a poor mental state, it just isn't reported as actively as alcohol related issues and people don't always make their experiences public.

This is exactly why I think all of your replies are stupid, you are pretending to know stuff you don't.

I honestly don't.

Suppose the weed didn't cause it but it was something else?

Sorry to break it to you, but I highly doubt your cousin decided to take his life based on being stoned, highly doubt. One thing I don't think you can understand, though you say you've been high is that weed doesn't make you suicidal, helpless, or unintelligent, unless you make it.

I don't know what I'm talking about? Maybe some of the points I have stated are ignorant, but a lot you have stated are ignorant.

Those people who injure themselves stoned were going to in the first place, they didn't get high and go, "OH GOD I HAVE TO END MY LIFE THIS INSTANT". No, they likely had been thinking of it before, weed doesn't make you suicidal, your cousin was obviously already suicidal.

"Enhanced his depression", please explain how it would do that.

He must have been in a ******ed state of mind already to attempt suicide, not the result of THC.

Any being that would defy their pure instinct of survival and end their own existence, is yes in my opinion, ****ing ******ed.

Just trying to express that one of the two substances is evidently more dangerous yet is legal and the other isn't.

Love it when I'm right!!!

Weed has different effects and impacts on different people, it is a mind-altering substance that makes people feel and do things they may not have done otherwise (proven by you who claims it helped you go from depressed to happy).

Arrogant people who try advocating for the legalization of marijuana is a joke, you speak from personal experience and personal experience is different for everyone. You have no idea how this drug actually works outside of "it makes me feel good".

You smoke weed and are one of the most toxic and anger filled people on this forum, that says something!!!

Alcohol works the same way. If you know that sh*t ain't good stay the hell away from it

This is the most toxic I've been in a LONG time.

And I do actually know how it works, why would I willingly put something into my body without doing research on it as to how it works and what it does, you don't think I put a **** ton of research into it before I tried it? Man I was a timid kid, I wouldn't intentionally hurt myself.

But that's in your genes apparently.

Also you were more toxic than me until you got that moderator ****. You just changed who you were, so don't go there.

I'm more sarcastic than angry. If you take my posts seriously then you're bad at picking up signs.

You're the guy who just said that it enhanced your cousins suicidal feelings, obviously you don't know how it works.

Driving high is dangerous yes, but is it more dangerous then driving drunk? No, so should you drive high? Of course not, but trying to prove that driving under the influence of marijuana is almost the same level of driving drunk is just plain WEIRD TBH. Don't even know who brought alcohol into this discussion to begin with.

It's pretty much inevitable that alcohol will enter a conversation about weed, and likewise. The two are just compared so commonly because they're both recreational, "drugs", and a lot of the users don't do both.

Then you have no practical argument in the subject. For starters, if you're referring to a disorder like ADD or ADHD, the prescribed pills are methamphetamine, which was likely intentional as to create a dependency, as you say, by the industry. However, you imply that weed can't cause a dependency. It can cause a mental dependency, unlike methamphetamine, which causes a chemical dependency in order to sustain homeostasis.

There are treatments, and simple behavioural techniques, that are a hell of a lot safer than weed for those and related disorders.

For example, anger is a neurological phenomena that can be resisted after taking an anger management class. I am by no means saying ADHD has a "hyper management class," but I was providing an example.

Ironically enough, it was brought up by the people who are very much in favor of the legalization of marijuana.

I was mainly referring to anti-depressants. Not sure where you got the ADHD out of that, I was just talking about anti-depressants in my prior posts, kind of thought that people would be reading the posts before providing a post against me.

Well of course there are dangers of using weed.

I think people just get confused with weed's medical uses as some excuse that its magically not harmful or dangerous.

Well cops don't monitor every aspect of life for the common citizen so obviously there are going to be people who disobey the law.

Nothing will have changed from now to until weed gets legalized. It'll still be a drug nevertheless.

Therefore it'll get treated like a drug nevertheless.

A mental dependency? So in other words a dependency created by your own mind?

All I know is my friend who has been smoking weed forever just quit smoking for six months without any problems.

I've also been dry a lot and didn't really flip ****. I wouldn't go out and suck **** for it like with other drugs, it's not a real addiction like you're trying to make it seem like.

The people that got addicted likely went into it with the pre determined mindset that they would be addicted and their mind fabricated it like so.

What dangers?

I hope you're not calling an anti-depressant a mental illness, lol. I'll just stop here, unless you want to continue arguing about something that you provided evidence that you have no knowledge in. What "mental illnesses" are you referring to?

Wow... What the **** are you talking about? I was saying that weed is a better alternative to anti-depressants.

And I was referring to Depression, obviously.

A mental illness? So in other words an illness created by your own mind?

You have extremely flawed logic

For my buddy Distorted with the A+ suicide joke

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...acts/marijuana

i) These extracts can deliver extremely large amounts of THC to users, and their use has sent some people to the emergency room. Another danger is in preparing these extracts, which usually involves butane (lighter fluid). A number of people who have used butane to make extracts at home have caused fires and explosions and have been seriously burned.

ii) Marijuana overactivates parts of the brain that contain the highest number of these receptors. This causes the "high" that users feel. Other effects include:

altered senses (for example, seeing brighter colors)
altered sense of time
changes in mood
impaired body movement
difficulty with thinking and problem-solving
impaired memory

iii) Marijuana also affects brain development. When marijuana users begin using as teenagers, the drug may reduce thinking, memory, and learning functions and affect how the brain builds connections between the areas necessary for these functions

Breathing problems. Marijuana smoke irritates the lungs, and frequent marijuana smokers can have the same breathing problems that tobacco smokers have. These problems include daily cough and phlegm, more frequent lung illness, and a higher risk of lung infections. Researchers still do not know whether marijuana smokers have a higher risk for lung cancer.

Long-term marijuana use has been linked to mental illness in some users, such as:

temporary hallucinations—sensations and images that seem real though they are not
temporary paranoia—extreme and unreasonable distrust of others
worsening symptoms in patients with schizophrenia (a severe mental disorder with symptoms such as hallucinations, paranoia, and disorganized thinking)
Marijuana use has also been linked to other mental health problems, such as:

depression
anxiety
suicidal thoughts among teens