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Thallen 03-25-2016 03:00 AM

GraalAholic, your entire post is defeated as soon as someone asks you why Islam has such violence and when statistics and numbers come out. It is not a coincidence. It is not isolated. It doesn't matter if 0.00001% of Muslims are violent. It matters that Islam is the only religion that we have these issues with in 2016.
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Posted by GraalAholic (Post 687591)
1.7 billion Muslims Worldwide
Estimated 30,000 ISIS
that's 0.017% ISIS

What about the Muslim Brotherhood in the UAE? Al Islah Society? Fatah Al Islam in Lebanon, Islamic Association in Italy, UAE Jihad cells, Islamic Association in Finland, Al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb, Islamic Association in Sweden? Now, you name some Christian or Buddhist terrorist groups that are wreaking havoc on the planet? (Here's where you meme out and say "THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT!" because there's no actual answer.)

If these are all "perversions" of this peaceful religion, then what good is the religion actually doing? The Middle East has a severe lack of scientific and social progress, and Islam is the cause of it all. The sad part is that religion is so infectious and controlling in that part of the world that you're never even given the option of not believing it. You are born into it and you probably risk your life if you ever consider going against it. If anyone needs to step out of their bubble, it's that part of the world.

Platinum 03-25-2016 08:44 AM

The practice and common beliefs of most Islamic communities actively violate the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and I actually believe a group declared their own Islamic Human Rights? I'll have to find the source.

But anyway, it's only natural that non-Islamic and Islamic groups will conflict as many values are not shared between them. Really, take ISIS and its extremist views on torture and the right to life, and then compare that with most western nations today. It's clear there's a huge between difference between them.

Edit:
Links:
http://www.humanrights.ch/en/standar...-human-rights/
http://iheu.org/arab-charter-human-r...louise-arbour/

GraalAholic 03-25-2016 09:47 AM

I will keep this short and will not reply again.
Everyone can do their own studies and research.
Extremism in Christianity barely exists anymore because of secularization.
What is the root cause of islamic extremism?
Islam's pluralistic nature?
Western-induced poverty?
Western-supported rise of Israel?
Western imperialism that displaced the Ottoman Empire?
No, no, no and no
Islamist extremism exists because corrupt and oppressive rulers want to maintain themselves in power.
An Islam liberated from the grip of Saudi Arabia could correct itself and defeat extremism on its own terms.
Peace to All :)

Admiral 03-25-2016 10:50 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 687857)
GraalAholic, your entire post is defeated as soon as someone asks you why Islam has such violence and when statistics and numbers come out. It is not a coincidence. It is not isolated. It doesn't matter if 0.00001% of Muslims are violent. It matters that Islam is the only religion that we have these issues with in 2016.

What about the Muslim Brotherhood in the UAE? Al Islah Society? Fatah Al Islam in Lebanon, Islamic Association in Italy, UAE Jihad cells, Islamic Association in Finland, Al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb, Islamic Association in Sweden? Now, you name some Christian or Buddhist terrorist groups that are wreaking havoc on the planet? (Here's where you meme out and say "THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT!" because there's no actual answer.)

If these are all "perversions" of this peaceful religion, then what good is the religion actually doing? The Middle East has a severe lack of scientific and social progress, and Islam is the cause of it all. The sad part is that religion is so infectious and controlling in that part of the world that you're never even given the option of not believing it. You are born into it and you probably risk your life if you ever consider going against it. If anyone needs to step out of their bubble, it's that part of the world.

They may not be wreaking havoc now but the KKK and IRA can be regarded as two groups of terrorists at one point. WBC is probably not far off neither (yes they don't kill people, still pretty crazy though)

You are right that its no coincidence they're Muslim, but I feel like due to the media Islam is exaggerated to be a lot worse than it actually is. People i've spoke to irl who are Muslim say they're ashamed of it now due to events like these, and im sure that attitude is shared amongst the majority.

Kosiris 03-25-2016 03:59 PM

let's list some things Islam encourages and/or forces:
domestic abuse at the age of 10 and above for kids who don't pray
limiting your thoughts to anything other than Islam
idolizing the so-called "Shaikhs"
being forced into the religion at birth
death sentence to anyone who reaches the conclusion that the religion makes no sense and decides to leave it

GOAT 03-25-2016 05:23 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 687857)
GraalAholic, your entire post is defeated as soon as someone asks you why Islam has such violence and when statistics and numbers come out. It is not a coincidence. It is not isolated. It doesn't matter if 0.00001% of Muslims are violent. It matters that Islam is the only religion that we have these issues with in 2016.

Search the history of bombings over the last 20 years and tell me how many of those are in Muslim countries. There's levels to violence. Search death totals: Muslims killed by westerners against westerners killed by Muslims. Let's see who's worse or as you put it the "bad" guys.



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Posted by Thallen (Post 687857)
What about the Muslim Brotherhood in the UAE? Al Islah Society? Fatah Al Islam in Lebanon, Islamic Association in Italy, UAE Jihad cells, Islamic Association in Finland, Al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb, Islamic Association in Sweden? Now, you name some Christian or Buddhist terrorist groups that are wreaking havoc on the planet? (Here's where you meme out and say "THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT!" because there's no actual answer.)

lol google search to make arguments. Do you know anything about those groups besides a list you found on the internet?

If Christians were being bombed as much as the Muslims I guarantee you they would be doing the same thing.

It's like saying white people never protest, but blacks do. #WhiteLivesMatterToo lol



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Posted by Thallen (Post 687857)
If these are all "perversions" of this peaceful religion, then what good is the religion actually doing? The Middle East has a severe lack of scientific and social progress, and Islam is the cause of it all. The sad part is that religion is so infectious and controlling in that part of the world that you're never even given the option of not believing it. You are born into it and you probably risk your life if you ever consider going against it. If anyone needs to step out of their bubble, it's that part of the world.

Just because you think your way of life is better doesn't make it true.

The ones that want to be westernized make their way to other countries, but nikkas want to put a halt on the ones migrating out of the middle east.



Go to a homo forum/support site and see how many christian homos were disowned by their christian parents. There's levels to "infectious and controlling" in religion, but lets not pretend all of them don't have it. You think Fulgy's dad will pay for his free ride to his university once he finds out his sons backdoor is entrance and exit :D:love:

TWIZ 03-25-2016 06:01 PM

All I can say:

Squares are rectangles, but rectangles aren't squares.

Kuz 03-25-2016 06:15 PM

"Google search to make arguments" LOOOOOL G0AT...

G Fatal 03-25-2016 06:54 PM

Not necessarily on the attacks or terrorism but food for thought:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9-4V3HR696k

Sardon 03-25-2016 08:05 PM

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Posted by ReD s. (Post 687255)
Pathetic to see people still defend Religion.
Read some of the Quran its disgusting.

your pathetic and disgusting.
Unless you have a explanation for the existance of the universe don't argue religion.

Its a beleif that structured many civilisation because it is built on good motives and ideas of peace and prosperity.


The only thing one can have against it is that a lot of the rules are oudated (espcially regarding women) but one has to take in concideration that these books were written thousands of years ago and to these people it was normal to treat minorities like that.

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Posted by Arsenal (Post 687837)
And Canada's just chilling.

For now.But once Isis is defeated all of the other nations will be in a weaker state which will give us the perfect oppertunity to launch our Maple Syrop torpedoes and missles

Crono 03-25-2016 11:11 PM

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Posted by Kosiris (Post 687981)
let's list some things Islam encourages and/or forces:
domestic abuse at the age of 10 and above for kids who don't pray
limiting your thoughts to anything other than Islam
idolizing the so-called "Shaikhs"
being forced into the religion at birth
death sentence to anyone who reaches the conclusion that the religion makes no sense and decides to leave it

if you still live in saudi arabia i recommend you dont make these kinds of posts

Thallen 03-25-2016 11:44 PM

Islam is regressive, bad, probably even evil. It doesn't mean that everyone who identifies as a Muslim are those things, especially if they're under the age of 30. I have a lot of Muslim friends, especially online, and many are very nice and as "normal" as you could imagine. They'll pray and do the small things that their religion insists of them, but it's obvious living in a time where we have access to things like the internet and science that some parts of Islam aren't really their cup of tea.

However, the West must stop coddling Islam. It is not just Islamic extremists. Islam itself allows abuse against religion, homosexuals, non-believers, etc.

Also, not sure if you guys have checked the news today, but here you go:
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An Islamic State suicide bomber killed at least 24 people who had gathered to watch a soccer match in a stadium south of Baghdad on Friday evening, demonstrating the deadly threat still posed by the group as it is slowly being driven back from the territories it controls.

Areo 03-26-2016 08:48 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 688105)
Islam is regressive, bad, probably even evil. It doesn't mean that everyone who identifies as a Muslim are those things, especially if they're under the age of 30. I have a lot of Muslim friends, especially online, and many are very nice and as "normal" as you could imagine. They'll pray and do the small things that their religion insists of them, but it's obvious living in a time where we have access to things like the internet and science that some parts of Islam aren't really their cup of tea.

However, the West must stop coddling Islam. It is not just Islamic extremists. Islam itself allows abuse against religion, homosexuals, non-believers, etc.

I think that any religion can be alright, in moderation. But I think my issues with religion stem from over-saturation. If you're a rational person, none of this will be a problem for you. The issues are those who take religion and put it over logic and rational thought.

If asked, I say I am a Christian. But, as I've aged, I've started to slowly change my views on the beliefs I grew up with. In the end, if Christians are anti-homosexual, then i am not a Christian.

I believe in some Christian beliefs, like Heaven and a creator, but I don't let the religion cloud my judgement. Like how a lot of Muslims treat Islam. They don't let themselves be deceived into doing things they think are wrong. As you said, they are as normal as anyone else.

The issues are those in all religions who don't question their actions. I don't care if it's Christianity, Islam, Scientology, whatever. They all could be dangerous and/or cause harm.

Skyzer 03-27-2016 04:27 PM

These people are butts and their religions are butt plugs. Take away the butt plugs and **** pours out. rofl what

Thallen 03-29-2016 04:37 AM



2:44, don't let it happen

MBK 03-29-2016 10:15 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 687099)
Keep that fresh on your mind when you see SJWs and Muslim sympathizers parading on social media about how Islam stands for peace

Pedo:I'll cut ur dik off since ur a Muslim.
Muslim:I'm not, leave me alone.

So you see there, you are fricking allow to do anything to save yourself as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. How is that wrong in any way possible. You tell me... if someone came up to you and try to kill you just because you have some kind of a trait that the other person hates. What would you do? It's time you don't talk anymore because everything you say is completely dumb ah.

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Posted by Thallen (Post 688105)
I have a lot of Muslim friends, especially online, and many are very nice and as "normal" as you could imagine.

I think i've heard that somewhere before.

Yog 03-29-2016 10:43 AM

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Posted by MBK (Post 689209)
Pedo:I'll cut ur dik off since ur a Muslim.
Muslim:I'm not, leave me alone.

Hey that's not fair. I've never threatened to cut anyones dik off. :(

Josh-Kun 03-29-2016 10:49 AM

Another day another bombing, What a lovely world we live in

Distorted_P2P 03-29-2016 04:39 PM

**** man, we've gotta help them control these attacks.

qes 03-29-2016 05:03 PM

I mean theres potential problems that can become much bigger and can cause many more deaths than ISIS ever will. Like how all the farmers are buying the same seeds from the same main supplier, and when nature naturally rejects those seeds (like it has throughout history) we won't have many options to fall back on and you'll see world hunger greater than ever before in world history. Ask any farmers, they'll tell you how nature will eventually royally **** us all because we made the grave mistake of allowing capitalistic companies be the main suppliers of seeds for our food supply. It's okay though I have guns so when we fall into anarchy and people are killing each other over a loaf of bread, I'll survive. Maybe I'll become a cannibal if I HAVE to. :D
but about this ISIS thing, the whole middle east is so ****ed in the head with their ancient beliefs, still ranting and relating their day to day lives to moses and Muhammad. We should just kidnap their children from a young age and put them into good schools that teach modern things, rather then teaching them about bible stories accompanied by how to suicide bomb/use an AK47.
Every government in that area is run by people like ASSAD. And every Country has hundreds of tribes who still relate everything to the Quran. It's disgusting. Sick and tired of hearing "not all muslims are like this" idc, I'm not complaining about ALL muslims I'm complaining about the insane ones who are manipulating less educated children to die for their beliefs. Yelling about infidels before they kill themselves. To ISIS everybody is infidels. If you know a muslim who is yelling about infidels, you should probably shoot him yourself before he blows up another airport.
I'm also complaining about the Muslims who SUPPORT ISIS. Somewhat Relatable Example:
The US has an Army, we go off and do our agenda, right or wrong, i SOMEWHAT support the troops because I'm from the US
So any Muslim supporting ISIS or supporting the Al-queda, or any other extremist group, should be thrown out of europe, thrown out of the US, or even be thrown in prison. Anybody supporting these savages because of their religious beliefs can be thrown in jail for life and suck a fat one behind bars, idc tbh, enough is enough.
and The tribes are just as dangerous as the Extremist groups. The Taliban aren't considered a extremist terrorist group, their considered a tribe of some sort.

GOAT 03-29-2016 11:25 PM

more mumbling lol

stick to spar threads qes

lol

Thallen 03-30-2016 10:27 AM

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Posted by MBK (Post 689209)
So you see there, you are fricking allow to do anything to save yourself as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. How is that wrong in any way possible. You tell me... if someone came up to you and try to kill you just because you have some kind of a trait that the other person hates. What would you do?

Can anyone make sense out of this?

Crono 03-30-2016 10:55 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 689552)
Can anyone make sense out of this?

what he's trying to say is: "im a ****ing ******, add me to your ignorelist like crono did!!!"

Skyzer 03-30-2016 11:37 AM

MBK plays a game named after an object of Christianity.

Yog 03-30-2016 11:41 AM

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Posted by Skyzer (Post 689555)
MBK plays a game named after an object of Christianity.

haha watta loser

GOAT 03-31-2016 02:45 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 689552)
Can anyone make sense out of this?

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Posted by Crono (Post 689554)
what he's trying to say is: "im a ****ing ******, add me to your ignorelist like crono did!!!"

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Posted by Skyzer (Post 689555)
MBK plays a game named after an object of Christianity.

three 30 year olds ganging up on a teenager, nice.

#FossilTagTeam #30IsTheNew15 #CronoLeftRufus'ButtForThallensButt #CronoNotLoyal #BoycottCronosIgnoreList

CM 03-31-2016 02:54 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 689832)
three 30 year olds ganging up on a teenager, nice.

#FossilTagTeam #30IsTheNew15 #CronoLeftRufus'ButtForThallensButt #CronoNotLoyal #BoycottCronosIgnoreList

lmao

Thallen 03-31-2016 02:57 AM

I was being serious though, no idea what he said or how *********s tie into it all. Are we talking about the Islamic traditional of forced child marriages?

PumaD 03-31-2016 10:40 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 689842)
I was being serious though, no idea what he said or how *********s tie into it all. Are we talking about the Islamic traditional of forced child marriages?

You're talking about some countries, not about the religion at all.

Thallen 03-31-2016 11:56 AM

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Posted by PumaD (Post 690002)
You're talking about some countries, not about the religion at all.

It's the religion. The countries are either under Sharia law and/or 90%+ Muslim in population: Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Yemen, and many more. There's a clear connection.

Bill banning child marriage fails in Pakistan after it’s deemed ‘un-Islamic’
That speaks for itself. MBK, aren't you from Pakistan?

Skyzer 03-31-2016 01:03 PM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 689832)
three 30 year olds ganging up on a teenager, nice.

#FossilTagTeam #30IsTheNew15 #CronoLeftRufus'ButtForThallensButt #CronoNotLoyal #BoycottCronosIgnoreList

I'm 24 :(


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