Sarah beats 99.9% of PC players, PT when he was idev beat like 90% of them. Those are just 2 of many examples of idev players who are actually good at the game. You don't need an idev safe space to run from the people who beat you. It won't happen anyway, and the tournaments are going to be combined later on, so there's no use complaining.

I thought the community was over this topic years ago

I don´t know if you are joking or being serious but Sarah does not beat the good pc sparrers? I have seen many good pc sparrers beat her easily, so the argument to call her the best sparrer because she has a lot of points makes no sense? It´s just that nobody wants to use their time sparring all day like her

Most of your messages are a way where you sponsor your friends, it´s funny

The tournament also should not be combined, since pc players does have an advantage and it will most likely make it harder for idevice sparrer to actually go for the belt after waiting 3 months

If you want to create more competition or get an ultimate winner, then you could also have an ultimate final, where idevice winner team is against the mixed winner team and where you get a new kind of price.

But changing the tradition of the GST that most people like, makes no sense, especially when only 8% experienced sparrer want this

yah cause having 110,000 spar wins (a good portion of which were against PC players) and an 8.0+ ratio isn't a reflection of her skill

he didn't say she was the best, just that people like her and PT (and a lot of other iDevice players) can beat PC players because the PC advantage isn't as much as your excuses claim

can't use sarah as an example

same lol it's as petty as being like "we need 2 separate ladders for 1-50 ping players and 51-100 ping players in league of legends"

Im gonna agree with this. Cant speak for everyone but some of us actually have a life outside of the game.. so for those of us not afraid to spar on device & not training 8+ hours a day, would like to have more options. Let me straighten this out, aint nobody afraid of a pc, we just tired of sparring the same players who never log off.Coming from a player with 13k spars and more years than most of you combined in this game. Sorry im not japanese level good ��

& if all you pc's are stating that there is advantages.. Which i dont entirely agree with. Why would you give yourself a handicap then oppose others "running away". Really sounds like the only ones complaining here are the ones using pc on a device game. Notice how client has Classic and the app stores have iClassic.

Ok Mr.2003 let's recap for you:

1. No one mentioned is Japanese.

2. No PC players are claiming they are at disadvantage or handicapped, they are saying PC has an advantage over iDevice but it is not big enough to warrant separate spar rooms.

3. Doesn't take 8h+ a day to be good at spar enough to be able to beat PC using mobile anyone good at spar can hold their ground against any device

4. The iDev room was barely used when it existed or people didn't queue to avoid sparring better iDev players, devices aren't what's holding people back from being good it's them selves.

5. If you have more years than all of us combined you probably won't get much better if you've had all this time and still have trouble sparring people, separate rooms won't help you.

Everyone reasonable was

She does beat nearly every pc sparrer, your beef with her just deludes your conclusions.

I'm not that tight with prime. And I could also mention people like Alexx, Abood, Dark etc. and the point still stands. I sponsor them because they aren't whining about it, and they're good enough to use as proof.

Nice made-up statistic

Alternative facts

Plus, this isn't even in the control of the players anymore (I'm pretty sure). This is happening when the new system is released so it's time to suck it up (this goes for everyone, not just directed at Saeed).

i think the pc players just can't hit them

can we talk about the real issue here? idevices screen freezing

1.It was a joke, good job. (Japanese people generally take **** serious)
2. A handicap is an advantage.. Have you ever played any sport ever?
3&5. Complete contradiction to use both statements in one argument.
4. The idev roon easily had just as many people in the main room until the day it died. Youre on pc, so almost sure you have no clue what youre saying lol.

How bout a real #1. This could help bring back a dead community on a once hella fun game. Change brings attraction, even if its to undo a fail on staff part years ago,

Mate no one is saying PC players are disadvantaged OR handicapped, PC players aren't handicapped at all and no one said they were like you are claiming

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Let me help you out.. cuz you clearly dont get it.

Definition:
Handicap- a race or other contest in which certain disadvantages or advantages of weight, distance, time, etc., are placed upon competitors to equalize their chances of winning.

Notice how it says disadvantages OR advantages. Pc handicap being strafe, screen size, how well device is held, ammount of space for fingers, screen obstructions (fingers), its a list tbh. Idevice gets nothing to weigh out all those factors so we should be able to face eachother if wed like. BY CHOICE

It's not the removal of seperate rooms but people with a weak ass mindset (just like you) inside this competitive environment, that´s slowly killing the sparring community.
The point where people don't want competition anymore is when a competitive community dies.

People like Sarah, love her or hate her, are what keeps such communities alive actually. Polarizing people who spark competition and push the meta forward.

There´s also a lot more factors, like the servers getting ****tier or the iDev freeze as well.
Simply adding back seperate sparring rooms wouldn't have much of an impact, there´s much more grave things at fault here that need to be addressed first, in order to "revive" the sparring community.

Grow up and adapt, things change and so did the sparring community

Ya only problem being im one of those few people who have been actively sparring in arena for years on end. Where you at?

And youre right things did change, back to what the spar comm looked like at the death of UN in 2009, empty af. Pretty sure going backwards and adapting are opposing things.

You're attributing spar being dead to the wrong thing here. Spar is dead because rn it's pointless to spar until GST is near. People didn't leave because the idev room was removed, they left because they realized sparring was pointless. What will change this is the NGS, not the idev room.

Why are so many people pro-oppression lol. This is about freedom of choice on one of the most active mmorpg for device. Every option should be available. As it is for your character, your name, your teams, etc.. The whole game supposed to be about freedom AND competition. Ill play flappy bird if i want them to choose everything for me.

The lack of an idev room does not mean you're oppressed....christ what is wrong with people

I dont even enter gst anymore btw. So in yalls opinions.. What could help uplift the spar community? You guys have plenty to argue about so how bout something constructive?

The NGS
Monthly tournaments (singles / ttutc-esque) to keep interest here

That's about it for the moment, only things that make spar worthwhile

Shouldn't be dropping lines like this when you are only 7.9k-5.5k

and you can't compare two different activities (art, PE) to sparring which is ONE activity and the SAME regardless of what device you use

My bad colin, like i said not everyone can play all 10 hours a day. Takes me 4+ Hours to get 100 so frfr my bad im not fast enough for ya.

Wheres info on this? I heard fp4 tossin around hints but does this have any effect on single sparrig at all?

it will, yes. The magnitude is what's uncertain but it will affect it.

So because you can't invest time to get good at something (which all competitive activities require) it should be made easier? (even though an iDevice room wouldn't make it much easier)

I don't understand how is this related to the ping in league of legends? lol. It's pretty much like the MMR, silvers together, bronze together, gold together etc... The pc advantage over idev is like a skill difference between players. Sarah is the only player who don't do as bad against pc players for obvious reasons. Can't think of any other idev player who don't get rekt against a good pc sparer. I switched from idev to pc and the advantage was pretty obvious

Having rooms where certain players aren't allowed to go in is what you consider to be freedom? Hmm.

There are four spar rooms, I'm sure you can manage to selectively avoid the tough guys who might put up a fight and beat you.

But you still suck at spar??? PC clearly doesn't help as much as some people think. (Considering Saeed got 10-0'd by an iDevice player lol)

It's not about using PC or iDev, it's about general skill at sparring.

A lot of iDevice players have really good ratios while actively using the mixed room and facing PC players and can easily hold their weight in the arena.

Youre back to thinking this is a skill based argument again.. I wouldnt spar at all if i was sarah the challenge is gone. As far as im concerned they could leave the bottom level as is and make the upstars (since its a pyramid) into a device/ pc room. Therefor not taking away any of the options and allowing players to have equal playing grounds, again if they choose to! i specifically want to spar people at a similar level not the 10 graal hermits that stand around for 10+ hours daily. Watching my score go down 10-7 on average the 7 being majority pc. My own statistic not erryones.

What are you talking about? Having 110,000 spar wins doesn't make her the best sparrer. You can say that she is the best at not getting tired of sparring the same noobs all the time

Also, just by knowing that pc players has an advantage is enough to separate the rooms? They don't need to have a big advantage, just by having an advantage with the extra speed is enough.

Again, this will hardly get through when people like you post, perhaps if you gave Paddie a break and sparred a bit, you could learn something

How dumb can you be?
No, if people starts to speak up, things would change
You are a fired admin, don't go around and lecture the community about the choices there is, as if you knew

He wasn't fired, do research before attacking others. ******.

You are right, having 110,000 spar wins doesn't make her the best (no one said it did), having 110,000 wins while boasting an 8.0+ ratio is what makes her one of the best as a good portion of it were against PC players.

Crying over tiny advantages is horrible, just get better.

I suppose anyone who played PC Graal should be banned from sparring as they have a small advantage of having more experienced.

BTW speed is universal regardless of device

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Why do you discuss all day long about something you are horrible at?

Sounds like you cryin the loudest bro. Sorry you had to go back to pc cuz dev was too hard. I played pc graal from 03-09, so dont put that on all of us "experienced" folks.

Not sure even who thats aimed at but is that for real? If this **** was easy, the game would no longer be entertaining lol.

Thanks again everyone for the feedback!

Maybe stop giving attention to irrelevant people who don't even spar? This will make the thread much cleaner.

Sorry i dont keep track of who each respondent is in-game. Just trying to stay active on my own thread while getting points accross where i can. The more we stir the pot the closer we get to making things happen.

Congratulations on being the first person on my block list, Jimbo! ????????

again with the alternative facts

I'll bet anyone real money this doesn't happen (because it doesn't need to), and I'll also bet that the tournaments will be merged when NGS happens (since fp4 confirmed it).

Am I the only one that thinks iOS>PC?

I also nominate Jimbo as the best sparer w autism lol
http://i.imgur.com/HsKJ5S5.jpg?1

If you spent more time sparring and less time complaining you would probably be able to see why the "advantage" a pc sparrer has over an idevice is so little that it doesn't warrant s split in streak rooms.

Theres a ton of us, the pc players only have to click a tab to get back over here so they can argue against something they know is true more frequently. If you mean that having 8 directions to choose from is more control then12 then youre obviously just wrong lol.

TL;DR for the entire thread:

Much salt, nothing worth reading

Haters gon hate. The bigger the thread more opportunity for developers to take notice in whats cared about. No?

The salt just adds a lil flavor ;)

They won't change it because it isn't the problem

I disagree, that's some good reading.

Your main argument literally has the word guild in it.. Change needs to happen to single independant sparring. It is clearly a problem, i will literally draw it out for those who dont get it.

People aren't single sparring because the iDevice room was removed LMAO, an iDevice room isn't going to solve anything

you act like you know the whole spar community when no one even knew who you were until you posted this thread (even several people who actually did play PC graal before iClassic)

and since you selectively read:
His post about NGS doesn't mean guild-sparring, he means players single sparring to earn guild points, which is a reason for people to single spar and will revive it because of competition

people just aren't sparring because most are bored of it now, but all 4 rooms are still fairly active, lack of incentive competition is the issue, and an iDevice only room isn't much competition judging by how much you guys are bothered by facing PC sparrers or anyone you think might be better, just accept the fact you universally aren't good at spar regardless of what device you face and get good at sparring either

Anyone who read this thread that matters knows who i am. and you are? Also why do you continually resort to some type of 'why are you scared' tactic. When obviously this argument has been about 8 directions of movement vs. the 12 pc's have. Still about choice. So what if its not the biggest difference in the arena. Its still.. fair? Lol.

IF ANYTHING, yall are scared of having to face eachother instead of us. Right?

When someone gives me a valid link to anything NGS ill take your word for it. Its called new guild systems thats about what i know.

literally who are you.

also, the pc vs idev argument died long ago. there is no major differences no one abuses any "advantages" just because we can strafe does not mean its all of a sudden a huge and insanely powerful thing. NO ONE strafes every spar. There is no point because its slow and predictable.


Also, we can spar each other in streak rooms, whats the difference maybe you just suck, looking for an excuse for losing perhaps?

Not as if PC Sparrers guild spar against one another and meet at guild houses to spar and practice with each other
"Scared of us" lmao what a joke