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snk 07-08-2012 06:59 PM
let me get this right, you want staff to do something which they have been told not to do and not care if they are fired because they know they are a good admin?

sure, all era staff are allowed to summon higbey and kill him on the spot. steal his money and also his hats.

Peter5498 2nd 07-08-2012 07:19 PM
No no no snk, I think what he's trying to say is that he thinks Graal staff are not able to show their own opinions about the server without getting fired. They obviously are allowed to show their opinions though. Atleast if I followed this thread right, I think that's what he meant :/

Higbey 07-08-2012 07:20 PM
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Posted by snk (Post 157555)
let me get this right, you want staff to do something which they have been told not to do and not care if they are fired because they know they are a good admin?

sure, all era staff are allowed to summon higbey and kill him on the spot. steal his money and also his hats.
thats not what im saying, you people are getting it all wrong, im saying that you can put your foot down, even to stefan, you can tell your opinions to him and refuse, you have more power than you think because you arent replaced easily,

snk 07-08-2012 07:23 PM
I have direct contact to Stefan.

If any staff have any issues they direct them to me which I then direct to Stefan if necessary. This isn't going to change.

Higbey 07-08-2012 07:27 PM
i know you guys say you are allowed to show your opinions, but i know because ive heard from some staff on servers that they were able to get away with stuff and able to put their foot down and refuse because they knew it was going to be bad for the game and only going to be making stefan money, its hard to explain, obviously i dont want everyone to just do whatever they want, and disobey stuff thats for a good reason, but i dont want staff to say "well i dont want it and know its bad but im not going to do anything about it".

its hard to explain, its a balance, i just wish more staff were like Rufus is when it comes to morals and opinions, and think that they should be allowed to be that way.

snk 07-08-2012 07:30 PM
so do you have something you want me to address with stefan? or do any era staff members? lol

SnakeRekon 07-08-2012 07:31 PM
We already have a high-staff turnover, barring a few staff members, we don't keep people very long.
If we have problems with something, we tell Snk. Hell, I'm forever badgering at him to change things, doesn't mean he will.

Rufus 07-08-2012 07:32 PM
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Posted by Higbey (Post 157563)
its hard to explain, its a balance, i just wish more staff were like Rufus is when it comes to morals and opinions, and think that they should be allowed to be that way.
You're using me as an example and even I disagree with you. I think you've really got to be staff on a server before you can scope any problems they're facing in terms of the inner-organization lol. There is a hierarchy and span of control on every Graal server, and there always will be, it is not our game. We are not strangled by that control though.

Your real issue is with people who suck up or withold (what you believe to be) their 'true opinions' as players while they are staff. It isn't to do with hierarchy or some kind of overbearing opinion-opression that people face when working on a Graal server. Some people are just like that, and at the end of the day that's their problem. This and what you originally posted aren't really interrelated.

Sungwonc01 07-08-2012 09:51 PM
I agree but only on a certain degree.

I agree that you should be able to voice your opinion and do what is right to yourself.
I however do not agree that the staff is so easily scared. Nor do I agree that no one really has a voice in this entire thing. The Dev admins have much more experience than Stefan and the Player Relations have more (positive) leeway from the masses.
But I agree that no one here is replaced easily. Remember how long and arduous the selections were for the admins. Stefan is too busy buttering up his bread to want to organize another one of those.

:)

Era News 07-09-2012 01:55 AM
Quote:
Posted by snk
let me get this right, you want staff to do something which they have been told not to do and not care if they are fired because they know they are a good admin?

sure, all era staff are allowed to summon higbey and kill him on the spot. steal his money and also his hats.
LOLOLOL could not stop myself from laughing at this. I agree with snk.
As I said, not following orders is not something to look up to.

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Posted by Higbey

thats not what im saying, you people are getting it all wrong, im saying that you can put your foot down, even to stefan, you can tell your opinions to him and refuse, you have more power than you think because you arent replaced easily,
Everyone is replaceable and if I knew you released one of my animals because you thought you could just go and do whatever you want, I would fire you.
If I let you get away with it you would get a big head and continue to do stupid idiotic stuff, which applies here to.

Ace 07-09-2012 01:56 AM
direct contact as in skype?

Era News 07-09-2012 01:57 AM
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Posted by snk
so do you have something you want me to address with stefan? or do any era staff members? lol
Yeah Culd I b adiam

Wafers 07-09-2012 02:05 AM
Higbey, this is an excellent point. If I do become a Graal Police (I have plans too), I wont be there for long due to this. Or, we could show this post to higher Admins and see how they react.

Higbey 07-09-2012 02:08 AM
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Posted by Wafers (Post 157801)
Higbey, this is an excellent point. If I do become a Graal Police (I have plans too), I wont be there for long due to this. Or, we could show this post to higher Admins and see how they react.
the fact that you failed to recognise higher staff have already read and commented on this and the fact that stefan never reads any threads on here gives insight on how likely it is that you will be staff. that fact that you say that you already have plans to already is a bad mark.

Era News 07-09-2012 02:08 AM
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Posted by Wafers
Higbey, this is an excellent point. If I do become a Graal Police (I have plans too), I wont be there for long due to this. Or, we could show this post to higher Admins and see how they react.
Ummm yeah looks like you'll never be hired, so keep dreaming.

Wafers 07-09-2012 02:23 AM
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Posted by Higbey (Post 157806)
the fact that you failed to recognise higher staff have already read and commented on this and the fact that stefan never reads any threads on here gives insight on how likely it is that you will be staff. that fact that you say that you already have plans to already is a bad mark.
This is true. Guess I should think before I send things shouldn't I? Dang it. There goes that.

Era News 07-09-2012 02:27 AM
Quote:
Posted by Wafers

This is true. Guess I should think before I send things shouldn't I? Dang it. There goes that.
You never had a chance anyway, you can still dream about it though.

Tru_C 08-16-2012 08:11 PM
QUOTE=Comyt;157040]graal is corrupt. haavard paid rashard $90 for a spot in demigod GST and now he is a staff member? he paying them too?[/QUOTE]

Quote:
Posted by Higbey (Post 157046)
what does that have to do with this?
USDing is:

Frowned apon
Rage-prone
a ****ing cheat
a cheap way to "slave" someone


It's also the trigger of fp4's firing.
off-topic tho.

PerfectDark 08-16-2012 08:33 PM
USDing was not the cause for FowlPlay4 to be removed from his Manager position.

V. 08-16-2012 09:34 PM
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Posted by Era News (Post 156643)
Shut up, your obviously very messed up in the head if you think that not following orders, regardless of the situation is something to look up to.



Agreed



*cough* snake rekon *cough*


Now on to Higbey once again.
My dad once told me that if you think you could do it better go borrow money from the bank and fken buy your own business; this applies here to, if you think you can do a better job, THEN GO DO IT. You whine and cry about every little thing staff do, but your reluctant to leave. Stefen and unimaxd made a great game, which your obviously addicted to since you care so much about it.
Your not a demon, your just some Whiney kid who crys whenever he doesn't get his own way.
FK OFF NO ONE NEEDS YOU HERE ANYWAY!

Oh and just to sum up the statement;
Regardless of what Era changes, you'll always find something to be a whiney bitch about.
It's no wonder people don't actually like you. You whine and turn everything into some malicious attack or cries that the game is pay to win. It's so very sad Higbey
You know, I'm really starting to dislike you. You're arrogant, rude, annoying and to top it all off, you don't think about other people, and their opinions. You're not the only person on this planet with an opinion. Sometimes, it's just better to stay quiet. "FK OFF NO ONE NEEDS YOU HERE ANYWAY!" is just too-far. He's expressing his opinion on the issue. There's no need to ape. I've said my opinion, probably shouldn't have but you need to grow up or sit down.

Sungwonc01 08-17-2012 12:01 AM
This thread was dead.

Good job.

V. 08-17-2012 07:45 PM
Well, you're not exactly helping the case, nor am I.

lord greg 08-17-2012 08:02 PM
I agree with this because its important that the right thing happens. And snake you said about them not agreeing to your ideas, well if they are really good you should fight for them.

Era News 08-18-2012 09:27 AM
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Posted by V.

You know, I'm really starting to dislike you. You're arrogant, rude, annoying and to top it all off, you don't think about other people, and their opinions. You're not the only person on this planet with an opinion. Sometimes, it's just better to stay quiet. "FK OFF NO ONE NEEDS YOU HERE ANYWAY!" is just too-far. He's expressing his opinion on the issue. There's no need to ape. I've said my opinion, probably shouldn't have but you need to grow up or sit down.
Would you like a medal for reviving a 3 month old thread?
And why "shouldn't have you" are you scared of me or something? I respect all valid comments about me that are mature.

Pazx 08-18-2012 10:42 AM
Yo Era News! You know, I'm really starting to dislike you. You're arrogant, rude, annoying and to top it all off, you don't think about other people, and their opinions. You're not the only person on this planet with an opinion. Sometimes, it's just better to stay quiet. "FK OFF NO ONE NEEDS YOU HERE ANYWAY!" is just too-far. He's expressing his opinion on the issue. There's no need to ape. I've said my opinion, probably shouldn't have but you need to grow up or sit down.

DragonRider 08-18-2012 11:16 AM
No. What would happen if there was no hierarchy? Every staff would have control to everything. What would happened if someone like Mariah Nicole got something like that? Yeah, see?
No hierarchy= no control with what would happen to the server

V. 08-18-2012 01:07 PM
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Posted by Era News (Post 182128)
Would you like a medal for reviving a 3 month old thread?
And why "shouldn't have you" are you scared of me or something? I respect all valid comments about me that are mature.
Yes, I think a medal would be fitting. Why would I be scared of a little kid? lmfao.

lord greg 08-18-2012 01:26 PM
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Posted by DragonRider (Post 182164)
No. What would happen if there was no hierarchy? Every staff would have control to everything. What would happened if someone like Mariah Nicole got something like that? Yeah, see?
No hierarchy= no control with what would happen to the server
it would be funny to watch the admins ruining everything for a while then it may get boring

Era News 08-18-2012 11:36 PM
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Posted by V.

Yes, I think a medal would be fitting. Why would I be scared of a little kid? lmfao.
It sure seems so.

Ignatius 08-18-2012 11:46 PM
Great thread. I agree, staff.... wait no, EVERYONE, should do this.

Beholder 08-18-2012 11:51 PM
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13...lsareowned.png

The server was going to be shut down if we didn't get rid of the NPC that allowed Trials to save.

Reminded of the time that Global Staff were getting fired for so much as joining a different forum. Ahh Graal.
Also reminded of the time a server could get shut down if they used a 'complex' gani with more than 1 direction and frames, or if a non P2P server used light effects. Did the client they made allow light effects to be usable on non p2p servers for all clients? Yeah. Did they still threaten to shut them down? Yes.

Kc Ramone 08-19-2012 06:54 AM
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Posted by Higbey (Post 156344)
i dont believe in any of the parties as they are all run by filthy rotten politicians, its picking the lesser of two scum parties to run our country, although i would support green and liberal more than some, i support pure democracy with media unable to be involved in politics, as its possible with our technology, not like that will happen without a overthrowing of the government,

but thats offtopic so pay no attention
Eleanor Higbey, picks up the rice In the church where a wedding has been Lives in a dream

Higbey 08-19-2012 06:57 AM
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Posted by Kc Ramone

Eleanor Higbey, picks up the rice In the church where a wedding has been Lives in a dream
It's rigby I believe.

Pazx 08-19-2012 07:02 AM
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Posted by Higbey (Post 182691)
It's rigby I believe.
You're kidding, right?

Kc Ramone 08-19-2012 07:10 AM
>:O Ya mon! You be kiddin' right?

V. 08-19-2012 02:10 PM
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Posted by Era News (Post 182456)
It sure seems so.
Think I'm scared of you? Bitch, please.

Sungwonc01 08-20-2012 12:41 AM
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Posted by Kc Ramone (Post 182689)
Eleanor Higbey, picks up the rice In the church where a wedding has been Lives in a dream
:0 hey I haven't seen you for ten moons!


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