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Fulgore 03-17-2016 12:51 AM

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Posted by Yog (Post 685154)
Because he wants to make college cheaper? What kind of logic is that?



Are you part of the one percent? Unless you have more money than you can possibly spend in a lifetime if you tried, Bernie has no interest in raising your taxes. Infact, he stands for the middle class.

You don't just "make it cheaper" magically, the money comes from somewhere, and in this case, the money is going to come from myself and my family.

CM 03-17-2016 01:09 AM

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 685174)
You don't just "make it cheaper" magically, the money comes from somewhere, and in this case, the money is going to come from myself and my family.

Yeah -- if you're in the top one percent. Everyone else doesn't really have to worry about raised taxes.

5hift 03-17-2016 01:09 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdZ5SyvUEAAOOxi.jpg

Ok forreal, at this point I'm not interested in what any of the candidates have to say.

I'm just interested in the dank memes that get created as a result.

Yog 03-17-2016 01:10 AM

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 685174)
You don't just "make it cheaper" magically, the money comes from somewhere, and in this case, the money is going to come from myself and my family.

Except it's not. Stop talking about stuff you clearly have little knowledge of. Especially when the knowledge is easily accessible.

MrSimons 03-17-2016 01:33 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 684173)
lol

Sorry if I wasn't clear about what that meant; he thinks all illegals should be deported but allowed back in if they do so legally. An astonishing amount of people disagree so I thought that'd be important to include.

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Posted by Yog (Post 683997)


Does he even know what pro-life means?

I love how when he gets called out on something being impossible as in the government would never allow it, he says "We'll see", then when he wants to avoid the question he says "Oh we will let the supreme court decide.

Ahhh so you can use google to find what he thinks just fine when it suits your argument.

Yog 03-17-2016 01:59 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 685203)
Ahhh so you can use google to find what he thinks just fine when it suits your argument.

You're missing my entire point. Me asking someone to tell me what Trump's stances where was rhetorical. Because some people keep saying how they are solid yet aren't saying what they are. And he's been caught in so many lies, and has changed his stances constantly I don't even think they know what his stances are.

Essentially it was bait, and you fell for it. GJ.

You're probably gonna complain that I'm not providing citation for all this stuff (even though of course, you can just google, since you've proved you're so very capable of that) here's an example of Trump blatantly lying to his supporters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ&t=14m44s

If you're on mobile skip to 14:44. Can't find the source to that video anymore.

http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/...a-appeals.html

You're probably gonna use the same excuse that all candidates are liars, so do me a favour and find one scenario where Bernie Sanders was caught in a lie. I'm serious too. If you can I would very much love to see it.

GOAT 03-17-2016 02:20 AM

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Posted by BillGates (Post 685090)
Not scared that I won't be able to..scared that it will cost me more. I don't like that. I know exactly where the taxes will be increased at, hence why he is a terrible choice for me.

No you don't.


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Posted by GotenGraal (Post 685098)
If I make a lot of money why should I have to keep paying higher taxes because some people are making $9 a hour at McDonalds? Why does that become my problem?

That becomes your problem because you don't know how taxes work. There's tax brackets for a reason. If you make 400k you will pay the same amount of taxes as a person that makes 20k a year(here's where knowing how taxes work helps) You will pay the same amount as he does for the same amount of money earned, but once you go pass the 20k mark the money you earn gets taxed at higher brackets. I believe there's 7 brackets, so the top earners(250k I think) get taxed at 7 different rates.



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Posted by BillGates (Post 685101)
Exactly, if I have a job that requires high qualification and workload, I am working for my own pay, to benefit me. I'm not going to uni right now with the end goal of paying for everyone else in life.

You're already "paying for everyone else" Who do you think pays for the salaries of government employees?

You do realize that YOU payed for all the bailouts the government gave to all those companies that "were to big to fail"(you know the ones filled with people working for their own benefit) The same ones that gave that bailout money to themselves for performance bonuses.

Here's something that will blow your mind, there's way more people living with <100k salaries than >100k salaries and here's the big shocker those are the ones paying for "everyone else" Those drive the welfare system, medical, and cash aid programs. Not you Mr. Bill Gates. :D


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Posted by Thallen (Post 685108)
not even worth it to talk about Sanders anymore, I'm pretty sure it's a mathematical impossibility for him to get enough delegates at this point

The thing that Fulgy aka Bill Gates doesn't understand is that the real individuals(the rich) that would be affected by sanders policies would never let him win and not his vote for trump.


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Posted by Yog (Post 685154)
Because he wants to make college cheaper? What kind of logic is that?



Are you part of the one percent? Unless you have more money than you can possibly spend in a lifetime if you tried, Bernie has no interest in raising your taxes. Infact, he stands for the middle class.

Fulgy is clueless. His whole ideology is based on the belief that sander supporters are lazy bums that want everything given to them.



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Posted by Fulgore (Post 685174)
You don't just "make it cheaper" magically, the money comes from somewhere, and in this case, the money is going to come from myself and my family.

lol calm down warren buffet jr



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Posted by CM (Post 685181)
Yeah -- if you're in the top one percent. Everyone else doesn't really have to worry about raised taxes.

I don't see it as raised taxes, but more of paying their fair share. When I say fair share I mean earned money to taxes payed ratios.



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Posted by MrSimons (Post 685203)
Sorry if I wasn't clear about what that meant; he thinks all illegals should be deported but allowed back in if they do so legally. An astonishing amount of people disagree so I thought that'd be important to include.

Yeah, right, filter the good ones from the bad ones. Spend all this money to get them out just to let them back in. How would they be allowed back in legally? There's a reason people come here illegally, think about it and then you can see the insignificance of his "support" for allowing them back in.

Yog 03-17-2016 02:35 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 685246)
I don't see it as raised taxes, but more of paying their fair share. When I say fair share I mean earned money to taxes payed ratios.

I completely agree with this. It's true that not everyone has an equal opportunity, and if that were the case wouldn't everyone be a millionaire? With people like Trump saying how measly one-million dollars is to him I don't see how people like him could mind. Unless of course he is a liar. Imagine that though?

If you don't want your taxes to be increased then how about don't become a millionaire? Easy.

MrSimons 03-17-2016 02:37 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 685246)
Yeah, right, filter the good ones from the bad ones. Spend all this money to get them out just to let them back in. How would they be allowed back in legally? There's a reason people come here illegally, think about it and then you can see the insignificance of his "support" for allowing them back in.

Didn't say I agreed with the idea; he has no way of getting them out in the first place. I think its significant because it gives a better idea of how he feels about illegal immigrants, shows that he doesn't think they all are a bunch of criminals who need to be banned permanently from the US.

Thallen 03-17-2016 02:40 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 685203)
Sorry if I wasn't clear about what that meant; he thinks all illegals should be deported but allowed back in if they do so legally. An astonishing amount of people disagree so I thought that'd be important to include.

I don't understand how any human being with the United States' interests in consideration can disagree with that, nor do I understand how anyone can be against even the idea of building a protective wall to make it more difficult for illegals from Mexico to enter the US

Truly amazing to me that people have brainwashed themselves to think that these are bad things

Yog 03-17-2016 02:41 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 685279)
I don't understand how any human being with the United States' interest in consideration can disagree with that

It's not a terrible idea, but I have yet to see how anyone plans on making that happen. Considering it's going to take a lot of time to deport everyone individually.

Distorted_P2P 03-17-2016 02:42 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 685279)
I don't understand how any human being with the United States' interests in consideration can disagree with that, nor do I understand how anyone can be against even the idea of building a protective wall to make it more difficult for illegals from Mexico to enter the US

Truly amazing to me that people have brainwashed themselves to think that these are bad things

Damn.

5hift 03-17-2016 02:50 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 685279)
I don't understand how any human being with the United States' interests in consideration can disagree with that, nor do I understand how anyone can be against even the idea of building a protective wall to make it more difficult for illegals from Mexico to enter the US

Truly amazing to me that people have brainwashed themselves to think that these are bad things

Building a wall is going to make it harder but it isn't going to stop illegal immigrants from trying to come over.

Ever seen World War Z?


That's going to be the US in a couple years after Trump builds his wall and Mexico and SA do nothing.

Whatever needs to be done to keep illegal immigrants from coming over needs to be done by the governments where they come from.

Life is **** down in Mexico and SA compared to that in the US, do you honestly think their citizens would be desperately trying to escape to here if it wasn't?

Yog 03-17-2016 02:51 AM

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Posted by 5hift (Post 685288)
That's going to be the US in a couple years after Trump builds his wall and Mexico and SA do nothing.

Implying it's actually going to be possible for him to build it?

5hift 03-17-2016 02:55 AM

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Posted by Yog (Post 685290)
Implying it's actually going to be possible for him to build it?

Oh no doubt.

Building the wall will create jobs and that's kind of a big deal.


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