Hillary, for one, has championed welfare reform for longer than I've been alive. So there is that.

Regarding your point about Trump's business. Of course his stuff is made in China. It's a good business decision to do it, and he'd lose money otherwise. This is why Trump knows best how to stop certain things that businesses do that lose American jobs. An example is the H1B reform to bring more jobs back to US workers. He has also talked about removing the tax loopholes that big businesses use to avoid the taxes. These are good things.

And I'll make a large bet with anyone that Sanders does not win the nomination.

With all this said, I think I'm going to forgo this thread until the primaries are over, and then come back for all the Trump vs. Hillary comments. Was good discussion.

They key word is reform.

That's what he is. A businessman. Not a politician. If he honestly gave two ****s about our jobs he would be producing them in America, since as he has said that he has more money than he knows what to do with.

Why can't you see that he's part of the ****ing problem? That's like asking a crimelord to join the FBI since he knows how to stop crimes.

Everyone talks about three crappy candidates that the media loves to cover. Hillary is a criminal who is still in big trouble for the server scandal. And yes it IS a big problem. Sanders in a freaking socialist, and when you ask his supporters what socialism is they have know idea. If you support Sanders then I recommend you do a bit of reading on both socialism and what Sanders wants. Trump, I hardly have to say anything since he's an idiot that says the same thing all the time. Listen to him sometime, he says "it's gonna be great" "you'll love it" and other lines but NEVER tells you details.

For me, I'm all for Cruz right now. He has the best chance of beating trump and if you read into his story you'll understand why he'd make a great president! That's my rant, just got tired of seeing ignorant/uninformed people voting for three trash candidates.

Bernie wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour which I don't agree with. Companies can't keep all of their current employees while doubling their pay. Unemployment will go up due to the increased number of lay offs and small businesses will die out, which is ironic since he's all about cracking down on big companies and helping small ones.

Democratic Socialist. His views are very different from the standard definition of socialism. Maybe you need to do some research yourself.

I don't think his intentions are to just bump up the minimum wage asap, because as you said that would be a terrible idea. I think what he means is he wants to create a society where 15 dollars minimum is ideal and possible.

That's the sad part. This is why this country will never be great again. At the end of the day the rich will continue to run this country whether republicans or democrats. The rich will keep getting richer and the poor will get poorer.


Let's do that.
The guy that started a lot of these social aid programs("handouts') was FDR(maybe your grandparents benefited from these "handouts"), a Democrat, BUT those democrats shared a lot of the ideologies/ideas of today's republicans.

Do you know why they were started? Oh yeah that small thing that happened in the 20's. Do you know why the depression happened? Yeah a free market with very little government intervention. <-- Who's for that in this thread?


If the depression wouldn't have happened you would be voting democrat today fulgy. So a president with todays republican views started these social aid programs. To help starving white folks. They didn't start to help illegals.

All that wealth and you still haven't taken a political science class? You should, good stuff.





Agree, but I wouldn't be surprised if you believed illegal immigrants are the guilty ones. What is trumps solution to this? Deport Mexicans? lol What they need to do is change the system so people aren't allowed to abuse it.




You just going to keep taking L's bro. Just SA like Queen Sarah_:D

but ur points are all invalid because bernie already lost!!!34gfoinaodp3

But why would he want to? Trying to move low-paying labor force jobs here doesn't really help us. When Chinese workers are willing to work for the price of a latte, it doesn't make sense for him to move it back. If anything that limits the growth of his company, which hurts the better paying clothing designer jobs which are located here in the US.

Not defending Trump, but I completely agree with him leaving his factory in china.



While my state hasn't voted yet. It won't vote for a long time, to the point where the primaries may already be decided. I can say that I'll probably register independent. Seeing as no surviving candidate represents my views.

Yes, if you're trying to save money then it's an obvious choice, but Trump saying he has more money than he knows what to do with makes me question why he wants to outsource to China. Maybe it's possible that he's a greedy liar who doesn't actually have as much as he says he does, and doesn't care about how jobs are slowly disappearing.

Like I've said before, he may be a good business-man, but that doesn't mean he would be a good president.

If they pay better, exactly how is it going to hurt them?

Why wouldn't it be? The entire problem is that he's given the option of buying such cheap labor from China. He was a businessman before he became a candidate for president, and when you're running a business you're doing everything available to you to maximize profits and make your business successful. It'd be the same situation if Trump was using tax havens and other tax loopholes. Does he think tax loopholes should be closed? Yes. Assuming he's used tax loopholes before, which I'm sure he has, that doesn't make him a hypocrite in any way. He's being allowed to do it. He is saying you shouldn't be allowed to do it.

Pretty corny to use a Graal analogy, but it's like the current state of tower guilds. It's completely stupid, the cycle of reaching 1000 hours and then restarting as a new tag to re-obtain the 1000-hour reward. Does that mean I'm not going to do it? Hell no, it's the best way to achieve what you're after. It's just that it shouldn't work that way, I shouldn't be allowed to do it.

Raising the minimum wage to $15 is a terrible idea

ok lets settle this **** once and for all
he lists all his policies here
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

thats all he gives a **** about, everything else is up to the states to decide.

then stop destabilizing them???

1. My question is, why would he want to? There is no reason for him to bring the factories here, for us or for him. Factory jobs are a no go, I posted about this earlier in the thread.

Unless you feel differently about those kind of jobs.

2. Jobs are not disappearing, I have statistics to back that up.
You misunderstood, I stated that if his profit margins decrease because he moves his factor work here, then there will be less high pay designer jobs. Which would be bad.

Of course higher paying jobs are what we want

**** off, its literally socialism just with democracy slapped on in front of it.