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Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 12:58 AM

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Posted by callimuc (Post 230875)
everything is still being made and hasnt been forgotten except the 'morano project'. we already announced that we wont do it for now because it has been planned by jatz who resigned.
dont get your hopes up for that, maybe we will work on it next year, but its not the highest priority.

also when we finish stuff, we wont release it immediately. we are keeping it up for other stuff to release it all together

Snk said he was taking over the Morano Project for Jatz. That was the last I heard about it.

And prove it, release something within the week that is actually worthwhile. I think people have been waiting long enough suffering through old and dull content for quite a while. If you have so much, release half now and the other half of the held back content later. As I said, it has been about 6 months already.

Sup3rn00b 11-11-2012 01:02 AM

Id rather have a steady stream of new content, than one big glob of it. It's like gum.

Higbey 11-11-2012 01:16 AM

no, all that happens is its shrugged off or they are "punished". there is a reason there is all those reports about stuff with the staff on iera and not on classic, there is too much of this to simply dismiss it as them all lying, iera staff members like homelesswitch a running joke, perhaps if staff didnt just bond together and defend eachother instead of accepting that perhaps one of the team wasnt a bloody angel you could clean yourselves up, ban staff going into bases, ban staff guilds, fire staff that dont do their bloody jobs. its a privilege, not a right, and if they quit over it then they should have never been staff in the first place.

callimuc 11-11-2012 01:19 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 230748)
staffmembers: "what? oh no we cant tell you what we are doing, it all has to be some kind of secret for some ****ing reason", its updates, not spoilers, not everything has to be a surprise... idiots

you can already stop posting in here and gtfo. we know what you think and thats it. unfortunately everything has to be a suprise, else you keep saying we promised stuff which has never been said for 100% that it will be added.
kthxbye

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230818)
My main problem is they have time to do "Z room" parties every other day, or go sit in a base all day, or just mess around with friends and as it turns out, close to nothing gets done. Take all the time they took doing nothing or just being "show offs" and stuff would be getting done and would be done.

I would agree with you if that statement was true. And I wish it was that simple. But imma say it how I see it, they don't care anymore. The updates that do happen are half assed and buggy. Halloween=door knocking bugs. New events=bugs. They don't even fix it. They trash em or just let it go on. That's my problem with how things are going.

I honestly wish I had the eagerness I once did to log on to Graal everyday and play and enjoy myself. But there is nothin to enjoy anymore. Everything is old. Everything is worn out. People have quit because of it, but still, No one seems to care.

Again, going to say I'm not calling staff lazy. I'm not hating on them as its their voluntary duty to run around with boots and hang with friends and answer a question a week. I'm just sick of nothing getting done.

Meph is a good admin. he listens to players. He works. He does what he says he will do. He gets it done. Other staff should take notes from him. Js

When we sit around, it can mean that we are currently working and are NOT doing anything with our client? ****ING LOGIC? the Z room has been something quickly made (i think in 1hour or whatever). nothing of a big deal.

we do check bug reports, especially me. I did check the knocking and there was nothing wrong with it. when events are buggy, we try our best to fix it. you cant always detect every error, sometimes stuff is comming up randomly due to several interactions (like the players being able to PK with weapons rather than being crabs).

hes not the only one fixing stuff. i do check such bug reports all the time trying to fix them. i also worked on all the promises i did so far which are also ready for release.

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Posted by Berries (Post 230824)
I want to know why I see hearts gang members lagged in a base and unable to take damage and blocking off doorways, with her in the base and not doing anything about it. They don't even have time to do their regular duties as PRs?
And I want an honest answer here. When is it the gfx teams job to do stuff like juggernaut and get hundreds of kills and create a laggy cluster of players instead of work? Breaks or not half the day I see staff doing events, hiding, and not working.
And yeah throwing parties for their "friends" like jester said.

Not all staff do these things but a darn good portion of them do.

you are the players begging for events, begging for auctions and stuff, starting to swear around if we are busy and stuff. its just your ignorant being. want to chat with a staff? dare him working! want updates? dare him chatting!

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230837)
And you know the thing that pisses me off the most? Players are the ones doing more work than most staff members. Ya I said it, the effing players. Most updates that happen are generally player made ideas, graphics, or they just follow the same stuff other games are doing/have done. If you want something to be done on the server, it's like the old saying goes, "if you want it done right you gotta do it yourself." and quite frankly, I'm just sad that this is the ways things have turned out.

Damn I miss the old days.

if you feel like contributing stuff, why should we decline it? its better to make something you would like to have instead of complaining and spamming everything.

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230847)
To conclude my rant before snk asks me why I hate era again, I am going to say something I thought I would never say.

I prefer classic's staff system a lot more. If you're on staff account you are working. You rarely, hell never see a classic staff lounging around on their pc account. When they need a break, or want to have fun they get on their iDevices. PC is for work. Classic has actually generated some decent content. They made a new town, added a new job, repaired farming, they make nice VIP items (don't even get me started on era's "VIP" treatment) and I've never seen a staff member there just goofing off and I know quite a few.

Feel free to leave your views. I'm done cuz most likely nothing will happen. I just needed to rant and vent out my thoughts.


With that said. Era fix your ****.

you dont seem to have any clue why its like this. i wont bother to explain it as it could get several staff members of iclassic into trouble but try to figure it out yourself.
once again, just because we didnt release something yet, it doesnt mean we will never release it.

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Posted by General_s2 (Post 230832)
jester, i completely agree. Staff have made many promises to make things, but they have never have been done x.x

Whats going on with iZone guys? that sever was suppose to be released months ago..

izone is not up to iera, thats something different planned by stefan.

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230877)
Snk said he was taking over the Morano Project for Jatz. That was the last I heard about it.

And prove it, release something within the week that is actually worthwhile. I think people have been waiting long enough suffering through old and dull content for quite a while. If you have so much, release half now and the other half of the held back content later. As I said, it has been about 6 months already.

he said what i said above. we wont work on it anymore, maybe some other time.
and no, i wont release something just because you are telling me. we will release them when its about time - not meaning when players are bored, more when it will make other stuff even nicer.

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Posted by Higbey (Post 230889)
no, all that happens is its shrugged off or they are "punished". there is a reason there is all those reports about stuff with the staff on iera and not on classic, there is too much of this to simply dismiss it as them all lying, iera staff members like homelesswitch a running joke, perhaps if staff didnt just bond together and defend eachother instead of accepting that perhaps one of the team wasnt a bloody angel you could clean yourselves up, ban staff going into bases, ban staff guilds, fire staff that dont do their bloody jobs. its a privilege, not a right, and if they quit over it then they should have never been staff in the first place.

hey "cptn. obvious i know everything", you dont even play iera and judge the staffs acting by the bull**** being told by players? well, i shouldnt be suprised. we do fire staff immediatly when they abuse, no matter if they just got hired, if they are already hired since iera was released or if they are the brother/sister of a staff.

The Doctor 11-11-2012 01:19 AM

Muffins.

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 01:20 AM

nothing is actually ready is it?

Higbey 11-11-2012 01:22 AM

who cares what players think, you know, its not like their money is the only thing keeping the game alive, oh wait it does.

WE ARE THE CUSTOMERS, WE PAY FOR ALL OF THIS, WE DESERVE A VOICE, AND WE KNOW ITS YOUR ****ING JOB TO LISTEN TO US, UNLESS YOU WANT TO SINGLE-HANDEDLY FUND THE ENTIRE SERVER!

callimuc 11-11-2012 01:24 AM

actually there is stuff ready.

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Posted by Higbey (Post 230896)
who cares what players think, you know, its not like their money is the only thing keeping the game alive, oh wait it does.

WE ARE THE CUSTOMERS, WE PAY FOR ALL OF THIS, WE DESERVE A VOICE, AND WE KNOW ITS YOUR ****ING JOB TO LISTEN TO US, UNLESS YOU WANT TO SINGLE-HANDEDLY FUND THE ENTIRE SERVER!

its not our ****ing job to listen to you, especially not on a fan forums.

bobo 11-11-2012 01:27 AM

It would be nice if the staff would update the players about these projects. Pimpsy did a nice job with "Pimpsy's Buns" by regularly updating his thread with the work he has done. Of course, that hasn't been released either, since he finished the levels and the graphics and is waiting for someone to script the job.

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 01:28 AM

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Posted by bobo (Post 230900)
It would be nice if the staff would update the players about these projects. Pimpsy did a nice job with "Pimpsy's Buns" by regularly updating his thread with the work he has done. Of course, that hasn't been released either, since he finished the levels and the graphics and is waiting for someone to script the job.

another great project and persons effort thrown to the side

callimuc 11-11-2012 01:30 AM

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Posted by bobo (Post 230900)
It would be nice if the staff would update the players about these projects. Pimpsy did a nice job with "Pimpsy's Buns" by regularly updating his thread with the work he has done. Of course, that hasn't been released either, since he finished the levels and the graphics and is waiting for someone to script the job.

i dont think he was finished at all, he still wanted to add stuff but resigned aswell due to real life stuff

poorface 11-11-2012 01:31 AM

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Posted by bobo (Post 230900)
It would be nice if the staff would update the players about these projects. Pimpsy did a nice job with "Pimpsy's Buns" by regularly updating his thread with the work he has done. Of course, that hasn't been released either, since he finished the levels and the graphics and is waiting for someone to script the job.

Was waiting*
Pimpsy's gone :(

failure 11-11-2012 01:33 AM

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Posted by callimuc (Post 230875)
also when we finish stuff, we wont release it immediately. we are keeping it up for other stuff to release it all together

So it all comes out at the same time, so it gets old together, so players rant for more stuff more, yadda yadda yadda.
I'd rather have a good update every couple weeks or so, that way we stay entertained and we don't rant as much.

Also, I hate the freaking "parties". It's just a lag fest, and nothing ever happens, you just see an admin showing off their admin stuff.

poorface 11-11-2012 01:33 AM

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Posted by callimuc (Post 230902)
i dont think he was finished at all, he still wanted to add stuff but resigned aswell due to real life stuff

He warped me to it several times for an opinion; the last time (maybe a week before he quit) it looked about ready. He just needed one or two more prizes and for someone to script his job for him.

Shock 11-11-2012 01:33 AM

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Posted by Thunderstorm (Post 230842)
The problem is staff leak ideas that are generated via RC before they're even serious about doing it or completing it.

This is the real problem. Someone needs to control what staff posts on the forums. The projects need to be secret until they are released. Unless you're looking for GFX (aka ninja items for an obvious ninja town).


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