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Bleck3v3 02-07-2014 06:04 AM

Well that's how Updates to a Meta are there are the tiers of the guns even though it is a top gun the possibilities of competetive outcomes can still be equal depending on skill and knowledge of the gun by the player. Who knows maybe in the next Update to the meta something will out class APR's in different attributes

GlazeyB 02-07-2014 08:04 AM

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Posted by Cobalt (Post 451114)
Why would you set high expectations of me? Zone will repeat the mistakes, considering *cough* management.

Their mistakes doesn't allow you to be stupid.

Ghettoicedtea 02-07-2014 08:08 PM

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Posted by Bleck3v3 (Post 451126)
Well that's how Updates to a Meta are there are the tiers of the guns even though it is a top gun the possibilities of competetive outcomes can still be equal depending on skill and knowledge of the gun by the player. Who knows maybe in the next Update to the meta something will out class APR's in different attributes

You don't understand though. Top tier weapons still need drawbacks. Take for example the SCAR-H in bf4. No arguing, this is the best assault rifle in the game hands down. Its super damn accurate, almost 0 horizontal recoil, a low t2k at all ranges, and a whopping 34 damage max and 25 dmg minimal. However, there are a TON of drawbacks. 620 RPM (very slow firing), 20 clip, super high vertical recoil along with a 2x first shot multiplier, and a slow full reload. However, if you can manage all of those drawbacks, learn to control the recoil, fire in 2 shot bursts, and make everysingle shot count in close quarters. You will ****ing dominate with this gun, no joking its so good at ALL ranges if you can master the weapon.

That right there is what a high tier gun should look like. You get a very very large advantage over other players in certain situations, at this price however, there are a ton of drawbacks that you have to work around. But once you can overcome those drawbacks, its just sheer domination. Zone is losing that weapon model and it needs to come back. I have my solutions to the problems but I don't think zone has theirs.

Bleck3v3 02-07-2014 09:58 PM

Well I believe a 18 clip plus more vunerability on reload would be a good balance

NeoZX 02-07-2014 10:20 PM

Solution, 3 shots at a time.

Ghettoicedtea 02-07-2014 10:20 PM

Reloading does nothing at all to spamming. Even if its a long reload, all they can do is simply change weapons if there smart or just get behind cover to reload. Plus all guns having the same reload time is nice.

NeoZX 02-09-2014 05:56 AM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 451253)
Reloading does nothing at all to spamming. Even if its a long reload, all they can do is simply change weapons if there smart or just get behind cover to reload. Plus all guns having the same reload time is nice.

Well changing gives a reload so..

Ghettoicedtea 02-09-2014 11:23 PM

of the weapon that you are changing over too. I would rather switch weapons and go through that weapons animation that is much faster than reloading going through the current long reloading weapons animation.

NeoZX 02-10-2014 04:29 AM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 451765)
of the weapon that you are changing over too. I would rather switch weapons and go through that weapons animation that is much faster than reloading going through the current long reloading weapons animation.

But you have to go through another reload animation again.
Just keep shooting.

Ghettoicedtea 02-10-2014 05:25 AM

Your out of ammo, you cant keep shooting unless you reload. If you're at the point where you know you're about to run out of ammo and have a weapon with a long reload. You got two options. Reload that weapon that has a longer reload, or not reload that weapon and switch to another weapon with a shorter reload time and start using that until its safe to use your primary.

Its in every shooting game ever made that you have a secondary. Your main rifle runs out of ammo in a firefight, 99% of people switch over to their secondary and take the much shorter time it takes to pull out your secondary and fire it. Unlike reloading your primary that usually takes 3 seconds. Also i have no clue if this is true to zone, but in era i know all weapons had a delay time when you pulled them out before you could fire them.

NeoZX 02-10-2014 05:53 AM

Just tap after it starts the reload animation =_=

Ghettoicedtea 02-10-2014 06:13 AM

The guns reloads are timed, meaning that for X amount of time you can't shoot if this event happens (running out of ammo in this case) if you already started the reloading animation, then theres no point of switching over to another gun and using up more additonal time. In graal you should only switch to your secondary if your primary is low on ammo and you haven't started the reloading animation. That saves a ton of time.

Dear lord if graals guns reloading mechanics were animationed based whew all the guns in eras reloads would be 2x as long.

DragonRider 02-10-2014 08:22 AM

Inb4 it gets nerfed and Ghettoicedtea bitches about it being too underpowered for the price

Ghettoicedtea 02-10-2014 03:59 PM

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Posted by DragonRider (Post 451883)
Inb4 it gets nerfed and Ghettoicedtea bitches about it being too underpowered for the price

no I wouldn't unless they really gone screw up and really screw up the gun

Meatman204 02-10-2014 11:03 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 451914)
no I wouldn't unless they really gone screw up and really screw up the gun

And here we go again...


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