There is a difference between killing them without causing pain and beating them up till they die. And I was talking about the physically abuse, animals for production do get objectified and I personally don't see anything against (once more; as long as they don't get harmed in any way).

And just to keep it on your level - why don't you count plants as living things? According to the main points of the definition of life they do have a metabolism, run mutual reactions with their enviroment as well as running a homeostasis, reproduce and register chimical changes in their enviroment. So why do you decide to kill plants - is that humane for you? And besides, unlike most animals, they're mandatory for us to live, especially alga. :)

Am mostly vegetarian, we can be best pals.

Only for the reason though as I don't want to support the inhumane treatment and killing of animals on most of the farms that provide meat to massive companies. My boyfriend and family are not vegetarian and I don't hold that against them, I just ask that they use organic meats from farms that are certified good living conditions.

It's been hard for me to stop eating meat, because everyone in my family is so into it and there have been times where I've ate dinner with them just because I don't want them to waste it on holiday or something. So, I'm definitely not a model vegetarian or anything.

The most important thing to me is that the animals have a happy life and don't suffer. At the very least though if someone who buys or makes me food doesn't know I'm vegetarian trying to cut out meat, I'm not going to waste it. I've seen many vegans/vegetarians who order food and the restaurant accidentally brings them out the meat anyways and then the person sends it back. At that point it makes me sad, because even then you've just wasted a life since that restaurant has to throw it away.

So far though I've cut down a lot on eating meat and intend to wean it out completely. It's made me happier and feel better morally about myself and I think that's one of the most important things - that we're happy with ourselves.

plants are living things, they just don't feel pain considering the fact that they don't have nervous systems. when did i say they weren't living?

there is no "humane" way going about killing animals. im sorry cant argue it. but this thread wasnt meant to be an argument, it was supposed to be informative and seeing who else is vegan in the community. if you arent even remotely interested in veganism, why are you on this thread?

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For those of you interested in veganism even a little bit or want to know more about it feel free to post and I'll inform you. Reasons to go vegan, why you should, how you should, and what it's like. or if you are vegan i'd love to know your experience with foods and how long and such. those who aren't, tell me why and I'd like to inform you otherwise, but let's not make it an argument, thanks.

That's how I feel, except I still eat meat. Reminds me of the days of native americans and tribes. They only killed what they had to and they ate all of it. Left no waste behind.

I get where you're coming from, but we live in the 21st century where this lifestyle isn't necessary to living. Not only is the whole industry corrupt and dark in and of itself, the animals are harmed and murdered, and the world is becoming damaged more and more every day by it. there's a solution, stop eating meat, dairy; go vegan and live a healthy and satisfying lifestyle without doing harm to others or the environment.

the only excuse for not going vegan is if you don't care what goes on, or you "can't live without meat" to the point of remaining blissfully ignorant. change your attitude: change your life for the better

There is no afterlife for animals.

not factual, or relevant. rather, the life they're living on this planet is what matters. the hell they live through and experience, the circumstances they are put into. whether or not there is no afterlife is extremely irrelevant to much of anything

I don't care about animals
When they die in movies I don't even blink
I just want them to survive so they can make more of eachother so I can eat them

Agreed but we shouldn't kill anything at all infact we should all become aquatarian

But that harms Water :(

**** this I'm moving to Africa

then why are you here

Tell you what. You do whatever you do, and don't try and "convert" the rest of us who were minding our own business, guy.

He's not trying to "convert" anyone. He simply made this thread so that people who were interested could talk about it and help each other out.

His comment about "converting u all" was, I feel like, obviously a joke. If he wants to talk about being vegan and what it means to him then why can't he?

"the only excuse for not going vegan is if you don't care what goes on, or you "can't live without meat" to the point of remaining blissfully ignorant. change your attitude: change your life for the better"

Just expressing what it means to him huh

"Trees and plants help us breathe, you're slaughtering a resource of ours! Damn you vegans!!" Just minding their own business huh

He made a thread looking to talk to people who are vegan/vegetarian or looking to become so and literally the first post someone made was, "not me."

If you do not agree or are not interested in the topic of the thread then why post?