The auto industry didn't need the bail out though. Look at Ford, they didn't take any government money and they're still doing fine. On the other hand you have Chrysler taking the bailout money then selling out to Fiat who is now outsourcing the production of Jeeps to china. The auto industry bailout was more unnecessary spending just like Obama's Stimulus Plan.

When did I imply America is perfect.

He is crazy.

You implied that it was in decent shape financially because people are still purchasing things.

As stated in the following:

I was stating my opinion on the matter, and I just don't think the media is overreacting. Debt and financial struggle are quite evident.

You want this man to be our president?: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=EpGH0...%3DEpGH02DtIws

Yes.

''What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith...''

—Barack Obama, in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying ''your Christian faith,'' which Obama quickly clarified

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Completely on topic

Obama's faith is related to whether he should be president or not?

Ouch! Looks like someone won't be winning Ohio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zax-iuCXcWQ

LOL

some players who play era are not kids they are teenagers, so they may have opinions on the current debate view they are seeing between both celebrities, who are running for the USA pressidnet.
there also two different things for both of them, one main key view is that one of them is a right wing and the other is a left wing.

There's also a middle wing. Why is there only a Democrat and Republican party? Shouldn't there be some form of Moderate party? A Moderate party would be much more unbiased and would for the most part respect both ends of the political spectrum. I'd certainly would vote for such a party. But of course, the other two would also be in need of preservation for times when change is necessary or change is not necessary. Regardless, I'm sure glad most of the kids on graal can't vote.

Well yes, especially if he is claiming things just to appeal to a certain demographic of voters.

I'm not saying he is though. That's just what the allegations are.

GM desperately needed the bailout, so no.

I don't want to start a full-out argument, so I hate to be so blunt, but that is completely wrong. Just a political stunt to get more Ohio votes.

His entire response can be found here:
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/2012...esponds_to.htm

ELECTION TOMORROW!

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Fiat still plans on outsourcing some jeep production to Italy; I know it may not seem like a substantial amount of production is being lost but it is still American jobs.
http://nlpc.org/stories/2012/10/30/f...0%93-1-savings

Also how do we know that GM wouldn't have been fine with out the bailouts just like Ford was. If GM was properly run like Ford they would have been fine.

I have a question for you guys, this has just been bugging me. Why is there no Moderate party? We need someone who can see both ends of the spectrum and benefit the masses.

Also I believe the voting system should have revision. I'd propose at a minimum 2 years of college that will provide a class about voting and political parties (funded by the government) and/or 2 years of military service (out of respect of the 26th amendment). Change the electoral college system aswell so that not only will it be based off of popular vote, but educated vote as well.

Changing the electoral college system is stupid. Just make it so that the electoral college is elected from percentages of the popular vote, not just winner takes all. Thats the problem that is alienating large states and creating a handful of swing states, like ohio, that matter more than other states.

It's stupid how you only need 11 states to win the house. It needs to be by popular vote, else 4/5ths of America's voice doesn't count.

GARY JOHNSON 2012!

I'm just saying that percentage-based electoral college representations is the more immediate fix for voter alienation, an amendment like that would take forever. And its much more controversial. Some people think that direct popular vote is more subject to corruption, go read the federalist papers sometime, thats one of the reasons the constitution was ratified.

lol

Will be casting my absolutely meaningless NY vote for Obama tomorrow. And yes, for the people who have been saying it, the way we elect a president is stupid and broken.

It had happened before when bill clinton beat george bush. I forgot his name but he created an independent party that leaned towards the right but was very centered. He split the votes with Bush which is why Clinton won.

The reason why is because its cost a lot money to create a party.

Oh and another thing, the majority/all of kids and teenagers haven't lived enough or learned enough to debate and think thoroughly. So its not just "graal kids". And in fact, there are adults that don't think thoroughly on these issues as well. Some reasons are that its because they have jobs and are busy. "hopefully there aren't any adults playing the game"

That is why i think its good that there are these discussions so everyone can put their opinion and others can break it down and give them a better perspective/different perspective. Everyone is going to make a misjudgement so its better to learn from mistakes at a young age so we can know better in the future to think things through carefully.

First of all, Fiat is an Italian based company. You cant outsource to your own country. Outsourcing means that you are moving jobs out of a country because it is cheaper. So the country that outsourced, actually lost jobs. Because we account for people that are working in a country not company when talking American jobs.

I think what you where trying to say was that the company had outsourced the majority of its jobs elsewhere so as a whole the Company could have held its own without an American bailout.

But the economic crisis was worldwide so whether a bailout was needed in my opinion was just so that more jobs could be created in his attempt to stimulate the american economy. When jobs are created, more money is put into people's pockets which increases spending, with in turn moves the economy. Did he need to give them that much money? I don't know.

Incase you were not aware Fiat bought out over half of Chrysler...
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=7804697&page=1

The fact that America is split roughly equally into two parties which blame each other for things they both do cannot be a coincidence. The two parties distract us from the fact that there are no real political parties anymore, corporations run America's political parties and have for decades. Also, the US voting system really only supports a two-party system.

Unrelated to the current topic within the thread, but I found this interesting article:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...lection/58414/

It is not bias, since it discusses data only. If all states that are Democractic stay Democratic, and if all states that are Republican stay Republican, Obama has an 84.2% chance of winning, while Romney has a 14.8% chance (1.0% tie).

Voted for Obama but was hoping for a neither option...

It doesn't cost a ton to make a new party, the problem is that the democratic and republican parties have the most exposure already and have the backing to outspend any smaller, lesser known party. The reason more moderate candidates still choose either side is because they will get more publicity and attention. In other words wtf are you talking about.

Another kind of off topic article but thought this on was interesting too
http://www.nydailynews.com/1.1196661#bmb=1

I can't believe you still didn't get my point, of depending on your philosophy and viewpoint, even what seems like factual information can be skewed to ones favor subconsciously. That article is biased. I guess people like this that are biased (Heck, I am to to some extent, but I try to open my mind to the best of my ability) will never learn what I'm talking about. If you reply saying that its "Statistics" and not real bias, then your mind is so clouded there's no point talking to you.

Today is the day...

Who will take Kikos meme? Obama or Romney???







We'll find out after these commercial breaks.

That's what i just said... You need the funding. I never said that you couldn't make a party. If you want to be heard and somewhat successful, u'll need money and a strong voice. Look how much it cost for the republicans and democrats to campaign for this election.

You were talking about GM, not Chrysler. If you where talking about Chrysler then yeah.

Dude go back an actually read what was said. I said Chrysler was outsourcing the production of Jeeps.

The President is currently winning Ohio. At this rate, it's guaranteed to be his.

With only 2% reporting and Obama holding a slight edge of 5000 votes, I'd say it's still too early to make any guarantees like that.

TAYLOR SWIFT OR DIE

Youtube currently has a page where you can find out who is winning.

This whole trend of poor people voting for socialistic ideals so that the government can help THEM is completely the wrong mindset. That is not America. That is not what this country was founded on.

Technically the country was founded with no parties or factions, and with wish people being the electoral college, we can see how that turned out...

Obama is gonna win so **** off republicans and suck my Graal ****!

In fact, the first president advised people not to join Political Parties! Would have been so nice if people had actually listened to him...

Avoid European affairs, avoid sectionalism, etc...etc... Yep, we're such good listeners.

GINGER POWDER 2012

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Romney is currently leading in Electoral votes and the popular vote while many of the key battleground states are currently to close to call. Let's not get to ahead of ourselves buddy.

Waiting on California...