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BboyEatsbacon 11-11-2012 02:26 AM
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Posted by callimuc (Post 230978)
tl;dr: i thought you quit graal and just check some servers randomly o.O
I did, but I still like to help out where needed/wanted o.O

callimuc 11-11-2012 02:27 AM
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Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 230984)
I did, but I still like to help out where needed/wanted o.O
well, might contact you when i got an overview of pimpsys stuff

Thunderstorm 11-11-2012 02:50 AM
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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230966)
?
I'll pass. But thanks for the offer!

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 02:55 AM
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Posted by Thunderstorm (Post 231009)
I'll pass. But thanks for the offer!
Didn't offer you anything? If you think this thread is an ego boost for me then simply unsunscribe and stop commenting. You provide nothing useful here so please follow the forum rules :)

"Be Relevant:
We all want to read interesting threads and posts, that's the whole point of having a forum! Try to keep this in mind when posting, so you avoid posting spammy, useless or irrelevant things. As a general rule, if a thread doesn't provide anything of interest to you, just don't post in it!"

Thanks!

Talon 11-11-2012 02:59 AM
I was really looking forward to Capture the Flag.

Shock 11-11-2012 03:15 AM
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Posted by callimuc (Post 230978)
i think its about 3$ in the us. you can check several guides (sorry, but cant be bothered to get them all again) and learn it on RC (only obtainable with a gold subscription). when you are hired on an iPhone server, you wont have to pay for it anymore - you will get a free subscription.
So, if you find a guide you still have to learn on RC? What is RC and where does it effect the learning experience? What's the difference of learning code and then applying to a server (aka avoiding costs)?

bobo 11-11-2012 03:23 AM
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Posted by Shock (Post 231028)
So, if you find a guide you still have to learn on RC? What is RC and where does it effect the learning experience? What's the difference of learning code and then applying to a server (aka avoiding costs)?
Who would hire you if they can't see your work? Besides, it's best to apply what you know while learning. If you don't, when writing a script you will most likely forget key statements and mechanics that will render your code useless.

Shock 11-11-2012 03:26 AM
Ok. Then what is RC and how come there isn't a free version for learning?

Berries 11-11-2012 03:32 AM
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Posted by Talon (Post 231017)
I was really looking forward to Capture the Flag.
But you don't play graal.

BboyEatsbacon 11-11-2012 04:03 AM
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Posted by Shock (Post 231036)
Ok. Then what is RC and how come there isn't a free version for learning?
RC is a free tool, but a Gold GraalOnline account must be entered in for it to work properly.

tinyurl.com/graalrc

RandomGuy 11-11-2012 06:48 AM
What must Stefan make?

New tag:

Doing old projects relations

T-10a 11-11-2012 07:52 AM
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Posted by Berries (Post 231040)
But you don't play graal.
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Posted by Talon (Post 231017)
I was really looking forward to Capture the Flag.
Implies Talon wanted it before Talon left.
READ THE WHOLE GODDAMN POST

Hadi 11-11-2012 07:53 AM
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Posted by RandomGuy (Post 231144)
What must Stefan make?

New tag:

Doing old projects relations
What must Mods do?

New Forum Ban:

Random Guy

RandomGuy 11-11-2012 08:01 AM
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Posted by Hadi (Post 231168)
What must Mods do?

New Forum Ban:

Random Guy
Lol i didin't do anything.Haters these days

Kiwi 11-11-2012 08:15 AM
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Posted by Hadi (Post 230934)
higbey do you work for stroseria?
Higbey contributes to our storyline.

flamecrow 11-11-2012 09:11 AM
I miss you Bboy, I'd love to see where you left off on the Cops vs Robbers too

Hadi 11-11-2012 09:37 AM
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Posted by flamecrow (Post 231209)
I miss you Bboy, I'd love to see where you left off on the Cops vs Robbers too
cute

SnakeRekon 11-11-2012 12:23 PM
(Skipped the last few pages, got bored..) As already said, it is very hard to find competant scripters, especially the ones needed to be able to look at all of Era's Systems and script into it without breaking anything, many of the oldbies that could script, have already quit Graal, the others working on servers / not having time to do it..

CTF is awaiting scripts to finish also, sadly people have real life jobs and with so many different projects needing different things, people just don't have time.
You need to understand we are all just volunteers, if you want high end things on a regular basis, tell Stefan to pay out the ass for some scripters x.X

TheRookie 11-11-2012 01:06 PM
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Posted by Sup3rn00b (Post 230880)
Id rather have a steady stream of new content, than one big glob of it. It's like gum.
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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 230908)
It is obvious the players are not satisfied. Seems to me everyone wants a common thing. More frequent updates. Stop holding back IF things are actually done. But again, I feel, the players will be ignored.
First of all, a steady stream of new content IS happening in iEra. New guns, new things here and there. But what constitutes a "GOOD" update to you? There are constant updates, and fixes, but a lot of that goes unnoticed. What you DO notice is the LARGE releases and by only focusing on those releases you fail to notice the smaller stuff. Let me just say that the reason your bored is because it doesn't take a lot to fully exploit a release. You can buy a fkn Call of Duty game, and beat it in one day. Games-get-old-quick.

Also, content is all divided up into multiple sections working together. GFX, LAT, Script, SFX, GANI...A lot of components come into play when releasing something big. Ever thought that sometimes one component is busy, inactive, or undermanned? A single component could stop a release, and again, this is all voluntary. How about YOU find yourself a good team that will fill in ALL these components at a constant working pace.

Your sad as ****.

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Posted by Higbey (Post 230889)
its a privilege, not a right, and if they quit over it then they should have never been staff in the first place.
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Posted by Higbey (Post 230896)
who cares what players think, you know, its not like their money is the only thing keeping the game alive, oh wait it does.

WE ARE THE CUSTOMERS, WE PAY FOR ALL OF THIS, WE DESERVE A VOICE, AND WE KNOW ITS YOUR ****ING JOB TO LISTEN TO US, UNLESS YOU WANT TO SINGLE-HANDEDLY FUND THE ENTIRE SERVER!
OH YA YOUR SO RIGHT HIGBEY. PLAYERS PAY FOR THE GAME AND THE DEVELOPERS MUST GET PAID FOR IT TOO RIGHT?! What? you think having the title of "Staff" is ****ing sufficient enough of a return to keep working on a game like this? We have NO, absolutely NO, incentive to continue making ANYTHING for our so called "CUSTOMERS". It's voluntary. We don't get paid. Stop forgetting this fact. Players do not hold ANY power over voluntary staff.


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Posted by Rufus (Post 230919)
I find that players only recognize an update when it is grouped together as a large offering. It's a shame because if you release something every now-and-again (like you are suggesting) they totally overlook its value. On Classic people only seem to view entire town releases as updates
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Posted by Higbey (Post 230925)
not true, big towns and stuff just get abandoned, you need to keep a constant stream of content, a actual story, a river to feed players, not tsunamis every 3 months.
Not true? Alright, so if you want a "constant" stream of content, how does releasing some new mounts, or adding in 1 quest a week sound? Does that **** sound satisfying? You can finish a single quest in LESS than an hour (as your eating a fat BLT sandwich and wipping your @ss in the toilet). But would you even consider that an update? No. You wouldn't. The truth is, you ALL would not consider that to be a fkkn update.

So how about all you complaining ******s about a "constant" update, DEFINE exactly, what an update should consist. And stop, jesus fking christ, STOP pretending like making content (still need to define what you queers consider to be "content") is so simple considering the factors of having all working components active and attendant (GFX,LAT,Script,SFX,GANI).

failure 11-11-2012 01:27 PM
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Posted by TheRookie (Post 231261)
First of all, a steady stream of new content IS happening in iEra. New guns, new things here and there. But what constitutes a "GOOD" update to you? There are constant updates, and fixes, but a lot of that goes unnoticed. What you DO notice is the LARGE releases and by only focusing on those releases you fail to notice the smaller stuff. Let me just say that the reason your bored is because it doesn't take a lot to fully exploit a release. You can buy a fkn Call of Duty game, and beat it in one day. Games-get-old-quick.

Also, content is all divided up into multiple sections working together. GFX, LAT, Script, SFX, GANI...A lot of components come into play when releasing something big. Ever thought that sometimes one component is busy, inactive, or undermanned? A single component could stop a release, and again, this is all voluntary. How about YOU find yourself a good team that will fill in ALL these components at a constant working pace.

Your sad as ****.





OH YA YOUR SO RIGHT HIGBEY. PLAYERS PAY FOR THE GAME AND THE DEVELOPERS MUST GET PAID FOR IT TOO RIGHT?! What? you think having the title of "Staff" is ****ing sufficient enough of a return to keep working on a game like this? We have NO, absolutely NO, incentive to continue making ANYTHING for our so called "CUSTOMERS". It's voluntary. We don't get paid. Stop forgetting this fact. Players do not hold ANY power over voluntary staff.






Not true? Alright, so if you want a "constant" stream of content, how does releasing some new mounts, or adding in 1 quest a week sound? Does that **** sound satisfying? You can finish a single quest in LESS than an hour (as your eating a fat BLT sandwich and wipping your @ss in the toilet). But would you even consider that an update? No. You wouldn't. The truth is, you ALL would not consider that to be a fkkn update.

So how about all you complaining ******s about a "constant" update, DEFINE exactly, what an update should consist. And stop, jesus fking christ, STOP pretending like making content (still need to define what you queers consider to be "content") is so simple considering the factors of having all working components active and attendant (GFX,LAT,Script,SFX,GANI).
Chill out. People post their opinions, don't all out rage on them.
As for the first part of your post, you are considering bug fixes and weapon changes as an update. The bug fixes don't exactly count as an update to the game, and weapon changes are unannounced, but are appreciated.
What we consider an "update" is new releases of things or new features, things that require a lot of work. We are simply unsatisfied with the lack of these updates, especially after we have been shown sneak peeks at some of these updates a year ago, and nothing has happened. And I am not at all disappointed in the holiday updates, such as Halloween. Those took great effort and time to make for us.
But, we want non temporary new things added, and that is what this thread is about.

failure 11-11-2012 01:27 PM
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Posted by TheRookie (Post 231261)
First of all, a steady stream of new content IS happening in iEra. New guns, new things here and there. But what constitutes a "GOOD" update to you? There are constant updates, and fixes, but a lot of that goes unnoticed. What you DO notice is the LARGE releases and by only focusing on those releases you fail to notice the smaller stuff. Let me just say that the reason your bored is because it doesn't take a lot to fully exploit a release. You can buy a fkn Call of Duty game, and beat it in one day. Games-get-old-quick.

Also, content is all divided up into multiple sections working together. GFX, LAT, Script, SFX, GANI...A lot of components come into play when releasing something big. Ever thought that sometimes one component is busy, inactive, or undermanned? A single component could stop a release, and again, this is all voluntary. How about YOU find yourself a good team that will fill in ALL these components at a constant working pace.

Your sad as ****.





OH YA YOUR SO RIGHT HIGBEY. PLAYERS PAY FOR THE GAME AND THE DEVELOPERS MUST GET PAID FOR IT TOO RIGHT?! What? you think having the title of "Staff" is ****ing sufficient enough of a return to keep working on a game like this? We have NO, absolutely NO, incentive to continue making ANYTHING for our so called "CUSTOMERS". It's voluntary. We don't get paid. Stop forgetting this fact. Players do not hold ANY power over voluntary staff.






Not true? Alright, so if you want a "constant" stream of content, how does releasing some new mounts, or adding in 1 quest a week sound? Does that **** sound satisfying? You can finish a single quest in LESS than an hour (as your eating a fat BLT sandwich and wipping your @ss in the toilet). But would you even consider that an update? No. You wouldn't. The truth is, you ALL would not consider that to be a fkkn update.

So how about all you complaining ******s about a "constant" update, DEFINE exactly, what an update should consist. And stop, jesus fking christ, STOP pretending like making content (still need to define what you queers consider to be "content") is so simple considering the factors of having all working components active and attendant (GFX,LAT,Script,SFX,GANI).
Chill out. People post their opinions, don't all out rage on them.
As for the first part of your post, you are considering bug fixes and weapon changes as an update. The bug fixes don't exactly count as an update to the game, and weapon changes are unannounced, but are appreciated.
What we consider an "update" is new releases of things or new features, things that require a lot of work. We are simply unsatisfied with the lack of these updates, especially after we have been shown sneak peeks at some of these updates a year ago, and nothing has happened. And I am not at all disappointed in the holiday updates, such as Halloween. Those took great effort and time to make for us.
But, we want non temporary new things added, and that is what this thread is about.


Apologies for the double post. Lag attack on the iPad.

MementoJoker 11-11-2012 02:48 PM
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Posted by General_s2 (Post 230832)
jester, i completely agree. Staff have made many promises to make things, but they have never have been done x.x

Whats going on with iZone guys? that sever was suppose to be released months ago..
80% is done. :)

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Posted by bobo (Post 230900)
It would be nice if the staff would update the players about these projects. Pimpsy did a nice job with "Pimpsy's Buns" by regularly updating his thread with the work he has done. Of course, that hasn't been released either, since he finished the levels and the graphics and is waiting for someone to script the job.
*breaks into tears* WE MISS YOU PIMPSY!!!

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Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 230960)
If you guys ever need an extra NAT for a project, you know where I am =)
NAT?

Billy 11-11-2012 05:17 PM
Add underwater base and coming soon in spar complex to your list,and sniper idea will most likely get dropped..

BboyEatsbacon 11-11-2012 05:50 PM
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Posted by Dimentio (Post 231286)
NAT?
NAT stands for NPC Administration Team. Otherwise known as a scripter.

MementoJoker 11-11-2012 05:51 PM
Well, I have to disagree here, Jester and co are saying that staff in general should do fake promises to the public, thus getting the public's hopes up then creating rage when said announcement is canceled for whatever reason.

SnakeRekon 11-11-2012 06:06 PM
Can't be helped if you guys want updates on what we're doing, we give you them..
then the project unforeseeingly has to be delayed, much to our disappointment x.x
It's not like we do it on purpose, we would really like all of these projects to come to fruit and in time, they will.

fsh 11-11-2012 06:09 PM
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Posted by njc (Post 231413)
so you're saying we're lazy?...
Take a moment to think. We work and get some things done. I know you're all upset because it's not finished (some things on that list are basically done) or whatever. But, we still work.
I go to school Monday-Friday, after school i have my job from 3-7pm. On weekends i work on iera. You are happy with the halloween guns/melees yes? Exactly. All staff take their time to make YOU players happy, rioting on a fan forums is rediculous.
I don't believe it's because you're lazy, but it seems mabey some of you aren't focusing on one project.

Shock 11-11-2012 06:26 PM
Projects > Time to work on projects.

flamecrow 11-11-2012 06:28 PM
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Posted by fsh (Post 231432)
I don't believe it's because you're lazy, but it seems mabey some of you aren't focusing on one project.
:blush:

callimuc 11-11-2012 06:29 PM
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Posted by Billy (Post 231390)
Add underwater base and coming soon in spar complex to your list,and sniper idea will most likely get dropped..
people complain about us not finishing projects but yet they come up with more?

lord greg 11-11-2012 07:18 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to have lots working on 1 project at a time rather than having loads of projects being made slowly? Also wouldn't it be better to make a whole project good. The airport for example is really nice and everything but goes to a hat place. It doesn't seem right having a large project that is kinda useless.

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 08:22 PM
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Posted by njc (Post 231413)
so you're saying we're lazy?...
Take a moment to think. We work and get some things done. I know you're all upset because it's not finished (some things on that list are basically done) or whatever. But, we still work.
I go to school Monday-Friday, after school i have my job from 3-7pm. On weekends i work on iera. You are happy with the halloween guns/melees yes? Exactly. All staff take their time to make YOU players happy, rioting on a fan forums is rediculous.
I hope you did read. I said like twice it's not because staff are lazy. I'm just tired of promised content not coming to light and eventually being forgot about. If you call this a riot, you obviously haven't seen what I CAN start. Lmao

Also want to say this while I'm in a relatively good mood to all the staff members commenting, you are showing us your side of the coin. You've explained that people are working on different projects. I think even Calli said only 2 people are workin on Ninja Town and he hasn't even bothered looking at it. This tells me that you guys are not working as a team. As many people have said. Wouldn't it be much more efficient to finish 1 project at a time and give them all the maximum attention an update should require?

Now I ask for you to look at it from the players side before you call this a "riot" (lmao at that term being used here). We are shown something. We get excited. We look forward to it. Then it disappears. No updates. No heads up or progress bar. Nothing. Sure you as staff may see it is finished, but what about us? How are we supposed to know? Because obviously we think that it's just forgotten about and gone. Don't you think it's time for a change in team work and communication between players and staff?

And like I said, if staff need help, players pull a lot of weight when it comes to content. Just ask for help instead of waiting 6 months for something to get it done. I'm not asking for a release now, I'm asking for a change in communication and how stuff is shown.

What staff see and what players see are totally different. And to be calling players or thinking players are ignorant or stupid to be asking why the hell nothing is done yet is out of the question. We know less and no one seems to fill us in until someone does what I have done and bring up the issue as a "riot" (still, lol really?)

njc 11-11-2012 08:45 PM
You know what, i'm not even bothering anymore. You keep changing my words around.
I'm sorry i even took apart in this

callimuc 11-11-2012 08:50 PM
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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 231485)
I think even Calli said only 2 people are workin on Ninja Town and he hasn't even bothered looking at it. This tells me that you guys are not working as a team.
why should i take a look at it if they wont need any help? instead, im focusing on other stuff until they need help.

Shock 11-11-2012 08:53 PM
It's like Thunderstorm said on page 2, there's a problem with staff leaking projects. If we don't know about them, there is no problem in the first place. Excluding player contributions.

Xaldin 11-11-2012 09:01 PM
PETS are a big joke=_= iEra can't even hold 1500+ players and the server gets crashed then add pets? Just work on the ninja town rather than wasting your time in pets. I assume it ain't gonna happen

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 11:15 PM
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Posted by njc (Post 231525)
You know what, i'm not even bothering anymore. You keep changing my words around.
I'm sorry i even took apart in this
I didn't change your words around? I replied to exactly what you said. You in fact, changed my words around and put "staff are lazy" in my mouth. Don't accuse of something you are doing. Ta ta

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Posted by callimuc (Post 231528)

why should i take a look at it if they wont need any help? instead, im focusing on other stuff until they need help.
Why haven't you even looked at it once? Maybe you see something the others haven't and your input could make it all the better. Isn't that the function of a team?

njc 11-11-2012 11:20 PM
jester, please just leave me be. thanks

Jester Lapse 11-11-2012 11:21 PM
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Posted by njc (Post 231644)
jester, please just leave me be. thanks
You're the one commenting? 0.0 I am honestly not even doing anything but replying.

Slinger 11-11-2012 11:22 PM
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Posted by njc (Post 231644)
jester, please just leave me be. thanks
lol

SnakeRekon 11-11-2012 11:46 PM
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Posted by lord greg (Post 231480)
Wouldn't it make more sense to have lots working on 1 project at a time rather than having loads of projects being made slowly? Also wouldn't it be better to make a whole project good. The airport for example is really nice and everything but goes to a hat place. It doesn't seem right having a large project that is kinda useless.
Airport didn't take Snk long, we only released it for our Air Asia Sponsers xD
Sadly it does go to a ****ty place, that can be changed later easily enough though (despite the fact I made the cliff level LOL)

Ghettoicedtea 11-12-2012 01:48 AM
Yes please make another beggining island where noobs start. Kinda like classic

Sup3rn00b 11-12-2012 01:52 AM
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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 231706)
Yes please make another beggining island where noobs start. Kinda like classic
you do know theres a tutorial, right?

Ghettoicedtea 11-12-2012 01:52 AM
Ya but i like the classic tutprial thing much better

fsh 11-12-2012 02:01 AM
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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 231708)
Ya but i like the classic tutprial thing much better
Then go play Classic

Ghettoicedtea 11-12-2012 02:08 AM
Banned :/

lord greg 11-12-2012 04:48 PM
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Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 231659)
Airport didn't take Snk long, we only released it for our Air Asia Sponsers xD
Sadly it does go to a ****ty place, that can be changed later easily enough though (despite the fact I made the cliff level LOL)
Ah explains a lot lol. And it would be nice to see extra destinations added.

Ghettoicedtea 11-12-2012 05:06 PM
How about a helicopter that can transport people to bases?

Infernus Lapse 11-13-2012 12:15 AM
Im gonna quit era for delteria since itll hopefully have resolved the issues with staff hirings and stupid issues that could be resolved easily such as this.

Tizy 11-13-2012 12:49 AM
*cough* pimpsys buns *cough* Diner dash *cough* waffles hat couph*


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