Not really, that's mostly the new comers who tend to do that more so than the older staff

Let me rephrase that to Eras new PR's just wanna be famous.

It may cause abuse, however - they are rather isolated cases from what I see, easier to handle it on a case by case basis rather than making some generic rule for all admins.
This is why players becoming Admins is a bad idea, they miss out on playing the game properly and then it loses its fun.

PR's especially; their job doesn't really involve anything that should cause any kind of bias, I manage to keep an unbias view on the entire of IEra, so it's not impossible.

Sure, Admins are supposed to keep balance, however as soon as they swap to their player account, they cease being a Staff Member at that point and become a player. Every now and again it'll overlapse if people are asking you questions etc on your Iphone device, however it's upto the admin if they choose to answer or not.

HomelessWitch doesn't abuse anymore <3

HomelessWitch doesn't abuse anymore <3

Administrate and never play? That is equivalent to unpaid slave labor. Perhaps when a paycheck comes in, we'll talk.

I'll second that.

LOL slave labor, like you are forced to be an admin, most players would die to be an admin and not be a player, get real.

as for your paycheck, being an admin is still pretty much playing a game, even if your "creating & developing" it, its still a game, and im guessing you enjoy it too, especially if your a PR, sorry, what you do is not a real job NOR is it any kind of labor, and you can just stop doing it whenever you please, if you find a job where you get paid to play a game, let me know.

i still believe if you are lucky enough to become staff, you should focus on being staff.

You understand NOTHING of what being staff is. People think they want to be an Admin, they just want the tools, not the job. Get real man.

Being an admin isn't really playing the game, you can't play - it's just harassment and spam constantly. This is a "real job" you realise some companies hire and pay their GameMasters to moderate games right? We just happen to do it for free, you develop skills such as people skills, ability to handle situations and several other key skills.

lol then why are you an admin if its just harassment and spam? like i said, you CHOOSE to do this because im assuming you like it (to some point, maybe you dont! and that would be weird LOL) and you dont support yourself by doing this, and you dont get paid, so its not a real job. sorry

yea some companies do that, major games with hundreds of thousands of people playing them. this isnt one of them and you can stop at any time, so plz dont ever ever ever compare this to slave labor lol...

this is why i made a thread about whether or not admins should own gangs. see?

I see no point in this thread if a admen wants a fan base then join and expect to be hired in roughly 20 mins.

huh?

I don't really like the job itself, though i'll do it. It's not really that interesting and it's pretty mundane, only upside is some of the people you find, occasionally a rare gem amongst the coal.
So, because I choose to be an Admin, I can't be allowed to play the game in the time i'm not being an Admin? Seems bad, how else are you going to fully understand the game and see it exactly from the players point of view?

It isn't exactly slave labour; what is expected of us and what is given in return however, could be considered "slavery". For the amount we actually deal with, we should get paid. Gamemasters that get paid probably put up with less than we do.

Nope, not really - Admins owning an active gang on their STAFF account, bad idea - I agree. Player account however, they should be free to do that to an extent, if it comes to a point where they start overlapping, this is when something should happen. Not before. End of the day, not all of us are incapable of differing the two. Thus no need to penalize all of us.
(Your last comment was false, people wanting the tools isn't why you started a thread about admins owning gangs :P)

I said slave wadge. Slaves aren't allowed to have fun and abuse powers.

I was a diamond, get it right

Shine bright like a diamond yeah?

His point being that although it doesn't seem that way, being staff on Era does get mundane without actually playing the game. Staff have just as much of a right to own a gang and do everything a regular player can. Imagine getting hired and not being allowed to play the game, but instead, have to deal with player complaints and management. Fun, init?

Owning a gang is not the problem, using your admin powers, title, influence to compete against normal players, that's the problem, and the whole argument. Whether or not the "admin" account owns the gang, or your "player" account owns the gang, it makes no difference , your still an admin.

If your not running a competitive gang then fine. Sorry there is no argument, admins shouldn't be allowed to compete against normal players. Too much of an advantage a admin has and can use against normal players, And yes I did make this thread because I believe there is too much potential for abuse because of the tools an admin has against normal players. (Whether or not you believe they will use it or not, they can and IT DOES HAPPEN, it has happened with multiple times with multiple admins, so there is a problem there, believe it or not)

If you NEED to own a gang, own a social gang and let normal players compete against each other.

Why this so hard to understand? Then again, you are an admin so you are bias to what you think you should be allowed to do.

Don't be an admin then, you act like you are all forced to be admins, I've seen so many comments about how much it sucks to be an admin, why are you an admin then? you don't get paid, you don't like the job, you all complain, and wanna argue why you should be allowed to still play the game as a normal player ... Lol wtf?

I think Snake kind of mentioned this but if an admin doesn't play the game from a player perspective then they become out of touch with everything. For instance they can see how guns react in basing when on their admin account they may be too busy to observe it.

Dammit Greg, revolt!

Ok my problem with this post is you ask for an opinion when all you want is people to agree with you. Don't post about this if when somebody doesn't agree with you, you write an essay crying about it.
(Also i completely agree with Snake Rekon and Percivel)

You're entire thread (title specifically states) is about Admins owning gangs, so I honestly don't see how you can sit there and say owning a gang isn't a problem? Using title and influence means crap, players with high status in Iera (Such as the old leader of Ebizou back when she played) She used her status to gain new members to her gang.

Basically, regardless of whether or not they are on there Admin account, as long as they own a competitive gang, you believe they shouldn't be allowed to do so? Purely because there is potential for abuse? Ahah.. no, no.. you don't stop something like that just because there is potential for abuse, it is easier just to fire the people who abuse rather than ruin a staff members enjoyment of leading a gang or being apart of an active gang. Problem isn't with all Admins, so it's not even worth it. (Though this thread is useless because it'll never happen)

I'm an Admin so I'm biased? Oh sure totally, I don't even have a gang, nor do I EVER join any gangs for that matter, so my opinion is still biased just because i'm an Admin? I think you just don't have any good argument and resort to saying OH NO HES AN ADMIN SO HIS OPINION IS A LIE! Sorry, we're not all sheep following the flock.

I think I made a valid argument and alot agreed,(even if the poll is in favor of yes, Like I said, remove the "admins" votes, this poll is alot closer and more accurate) whether or not YOU think it's a good one.

I did change my opinion somwhat if some rules where in place to enforce what you can and cant do with your admin account, while being on your normal account at same time, i admitted this, but you dont wany ANYTHING to change, and couldn't give me a good reason as to why you should be allowed to be on both accounts at same time.

I would have rather had this debate with just normal players without any admins particpation , because yes, your bias to what you think you should be able to do as an admin,well, because your an admin. most admins are, not just you, it's human nature.

it's like asking the employees at a job if they think their wages should be cut, lol

No need to Insult my thread as "useless", because you don't like my opinion. I didnt think a thread on graalians would change anything. Its just a debate, But it does have almost 2000 views and over 120 responses. :)

You admins really need to start acting like admins. I see alot of you get very flustered and offended, even insult us, when people say things you don't like or agree with, not very admin like.

Remember why you have a job, to serve the normal players, to create and develop, for the normal players, to help the normal players, to listen to the normal players. Not to belittle us when you don't like our opinions, have an advantage against us, or compete against us when you choose. (Whether or not YOU yourself owns a gang or competes against us.' It's not about YOU)

And happy bday.

tl;dr

Again, we need to be more just with the idea. You guys are thinking that us not owning a gang would make stuff 'equal'...

Killa you already showed sK that you are better why do you want her to lose gang? Anyway i dont see any problem with hearts she never even bases on her staff account

Thats actually true xd

You'd be surprised with what we deal with daily...

In my opinion a staff member should be able to own a gang. They should not be able to own a basing gang and base on their staff account with un-released items or anything that gives them advantages against the normal player.

Does not give you the excusse to be a ass though. Lol if all the era staff worked for my dad 99% of them would be fored for slacking, and being a ass to customers

If I was paid, i'd be professional 99% of the time.
:)

Pretty sure I gave enough valid reasons for being on both accounts at the same time;

• Testing things on Iphone device while needing access to Staff account
• multitask and deal with things on their staff account while also being active to their friends on their iphone device.

Although only two reasons for now, as long as the staff are not doing things for their character while on both devices, I see no issue with allowing it, if they are, it's abuse, they will be fired, simples. No need to restrict it outright, else we'll just thrown you some glitchy crap because we havn't tested it :)

If you wanted our opinions excluded so you could have a 100% bias thread (looking at your previous comments.. i'm sure you were trying to start a revolt?) then you should of said so in the first place, no point having a debate or anything without hearing both sides of the story. It's like having a rape victim in court and only listening to the rapists side of the story.

Wasn't really insulting your thread; in terms of anything actually changing from it, it is pretty useless, in regards to a debate, not quite as useless. Didn't call it useless because I don't like your opinion however, was merely stating a fact. Though the only person I see with any strong opinion in regards to this on here is you.

Some people have short fuses, just the way it goes really..though shouldn't really be in a PR position if they can't handle the pressure :p

If I remember right, didn't you say working on Era Iphone isn't a job?
So are you now contradicting yourself?
We don't have to listen :o We do so optionally.
There are rules in place from awhile ago about using unreleased stuff in bases, so shouldn't really be any advantage, and since we were discussing having a gang on their Iphone account more so, this is even more mute of a point. As I say, you figure we all abuse for our Ipods lol, rather than it just being a few people.

Lmao look at homeless witch she ddnt earn any of the items on her player account yet she has all ec weapons and guns? Fair? Maybe not but she uses those to take a base which= to get hours for her gang.....nothing will change snk ignores these types of threads if you want something done email the big boy not the small toy ;)

I'm not an admin :s

I'm pretty sure some of those will have been 'earned' through rewards via making exceptional content :)

But homeless witch made it not purple moon if were talking about multiple people.

Hey, Miley is not hannah!

Same person hm?

Then give her saber on her admin account LOL

kinda pissed me off when jsi used to take bbz with homelesswitch and they had unlimited traps and novus blades it was nearly impossible to get in

That was long ago

eh, bill smith based with his gang and was fired but hw and jsi were not

I have an idea! Admins shouldn't be allowed to use their tools off tag, like there a normal player until they put on that tag.

Like that idea

I think Killa is a little bit hurted for the sK =P

Should they be allowed to own a gang? Yes
Should they be able to use it fot basing? Yes
Do they have an advantage over other guilds? I would say yes since it would be easier for them to get members with an admin leader
Idk how basing works but if they use acmin powers to get the advantage well thats just cheap