I'm in class right now, but perhaps sometime tomorrow i'll create a video showing the fact that straffing doesn,'t give much of an advantage.

Do as you wish. It won't prove anything to me though since some people use it better than others and in different methods. The fact of being able to do it is bad enough. I don't like getting in these debates because everyone already has their mind set and convincing them is very unlikely. The PC users will try to convince the iDevice players and vise verse. We're stuck with both devices on the server so might as well just make the most of it.

*slowly fades into thread* Hey look, Ash got banned :0 *slowly fades back out with a bucket of popcorn*

Mmm... Sorry I really didn't understand this. I don't even know the definition of the gani as stupid as that sounds. Anyways though, my above statement partly applies to this.

Blueh I got a msg from GOD --V
http://youtu.be/YDGY-haoCYk
Why does your avatar remind me of mike Tyson?
Whats worse being a dumb teenager or a grown ass man that lets another man treat him like his B***h? in a kids game lol?

I feel more ashamed when I see idevicers kissing pc ass
You constantly yap about not caring yet you still here arguing lol what happen to not arguing with idiots? Did we bring you down to our level and beat you senseless? Lol?
Most of the pcrs arguing have allegiance to US so I don’t see the point of arguing when it appears that your leader agrees that it is easier using fb.
That’s a whole different argument from pc vs idevice.

Don’t you get tired of being a kiss ass?
It’s too good to just walk away besides all those unregistered user noobs need a show.

A message from Satan:

I'm not reading 7 pages of this thread, so here's really the only differences from a non-bias point of view:

PC:

- Can wall run.
- Can quickly switch direction since the user does not have to slide their thumb from one "button" to another.

iDevice: More stable client.

/end of thread

Please???

I feel like I've put together a thesis paper on this topic already, but I'm still determined to achieve the impossible and convince very unintelligent people of obvious things that I've already stated a dozen times.

If you've ever misinterpreted me as saying that I do not personally share the opinion that it is easier to spar on Facebook than it is on the iOS app, then you aren't reading my posts correctly.

I very clearly think that. Why would I spar on Facebook otherwise? Several other people in this thread have made the argument that they are both equally as easy to spar on, and that's fine. It's really a preference and opinion. Do you understand that? I will quote an analogy I used with Ash "I've never been a good sparrer in my life" Ketchum:
Do you need more analogies on this very specific and integral point of the argument? Are my posts too technical or something?

You guys continue to point out the claimed advantages that PC has over iDevice. Yup, PCers can strafe. Yup, some would argue that the keyboard is a better peripheral for sparring that the touchscreen.


You guys have repeatedly refused to answer the question. I've quoted the following post about five additional times:
And again, as I've said 20 times before, it is for one of three possible reasons:

1. You do not own a PC, which is no one's fault but your own
2. You are a better iDevice sparrer than you are on PC, which is no one's fault but your own
3. You fiend some sense of pride in sparring (and apparently losing) on iDevice, which is no one's fault but your own

When we reach that point of the argument, it is over with. You've admitted and acknowledged that you're aware that you can play the game as (in your opinion) advantaged as every other player, yet you continue to intentionally disadvantage yourself. That is the behavior of a loser, someone who is unconfident, and someone who knows they are not good and needs some awful crutch. You've realized that you are not a good sparrer and create a fantasy land in your own mind where you are a great sparrer simply because you use a certain device to spar on.

And now, allow me to predict the future:

• Someone will come into the thread claiming that PC is an advantaged device, completely ignoring everything I've just said
• Someone will come into this thread claiming that they spar on iDevice so it's "fair", completely ignoring everything I've just said
• Someone will come into this thread suggesting I defy their own logic by sparring on an iDevice, completely ignoring everything I've just said
• Very bad sparrers (such as GOAT, Ash Ketchum, Goten) will never be able to take responsibility for how bad they are at this game and blame themselves rather than the rules
• I will continue winning spars while the aforementioned players are upset, confused, and in denial over their own failures in a 5-button game

The argument has been over and won for the longest time, I am just being very generous and taking my time with multiple different vantage points to try and convince a few people how very unintelligent and uncompetitive they are. I recommend Graal dating, button-mashing at forts, and collecting hats.

Are you stupid? You're only 2 points are stop whining and why don't you use pc? You can't even argue all the crap that got thrown at you, stop acting like you won anything.

Carefully notice how he refuses to answer any of the questions asked.

Only thing you're settling is an eventual permanent IP ban, by the looks of it.

Also:
TOOOOOOOOOOOO EASY

Okay, first off the only idiot here is you actually denying pc's don't have the advantage. Tyler even proved it with his video, and there were many points stated also. All you could comeback is "you're an idiot" but you wrote out a long ass post basically just saying this wasting everyone's time because you're posts aren't containing any actual defensive arguments.

Second why don't I use a pc? What kind of stupid question is that, I started iClassic on my iPod and I will continue to use an iDevice. This is iClassic key letter "i". Do I honestly care enough to start taking advantage of pc delay to play graal to increase my stats? No.

This is where I stopped reading. That's right, the first sentence.

Thallen, just three posts ago, in bolded text:
Like I said, the argument is over. I'm just going back and forth with you guys at this point for comedic value and the entertainment of others.

No, there was never a "legit" argument because you never had a "legit" reason.

Ok agreed it’s easier to spar on pc do to controls/whatever GOAT-1 Noobs-0

Maybe the fact that you have a descent computer at home that gives you a performance advantage or maybe you have played graal with a iDevice and realized that you’re an avg sparer. Someone told me to ask you about your 4k-2k ipod account?

You got your story backwards. That analogy would only work if iPhoners would make the jump to pc graal with their iphones.
Try this next time. I was at the bowling alley playing with my bunny slippers and out of nowhere some noobs with bowling shoes showed up. Grrrr wtf noobs they said this was a bunny slipper league. Lol you always word your statements with the wrong sense of direction that’s why you continue to lose old timer

Has nothing to do with the argument in hand


1. sounds like a contradiction to your previous stament2.the point of the argument is that pc have a performance/speed advantage over most devices so how is this statement bring any light to the subject?
3.now lets fleep the script find someone’s idevice and you can spar my pc so you can see that youre full of bs mamba jaba.

GOAT manages to embarrass himself in front of the masses once again. It never ends, folks.

GOAT never embrassed hisself, he's got his points.

You don't do so well with points when it comes to sparring, so let's all take that opinion with a grain of salt.

Man, you're cool. Coming along with the same arguement over and over, though it's not even a serious evidence. But hey, just keep running away when I'm asking you to series, both of us know you're just.. horrible. :](Well, I'm pretty sure you do know that too, but you'll never say that in public.)
And 8200+ is pretty nice, isn't it? I used my PC advantages to get it, thanks. :]

Just requoting this so that it's at the top of the page so people can see the type of personalities we have in this argument. GOAT, Ash Ketchum, Goten, and Prynce: true contributors, saviors, and highly-skilled individuals in the sparring community.

Wow GOAT rocked you lol. Alls you can manage to do is make fun of people's intelligence without defending a single point that has been thrown at you. If you can actually manage to defend anything GOAT said without turning this into a name calling fight I'll be amazed.

Zzz once again nothing of importance.

Thallen, let me ask you a serious question. Are you just acting like that, or are you really that stupid?
Let me tell you something, to have a discussion, you have to listen to the other opinion, not only qoute yourself all the time, and trying to sound clever. Because, hey; you're not. I can't say if you're just a joke only, a bad one of course because that would probably be too high.rated for a person like yours. Why don't you go back on PC Graal and keep those trainers turned on?

In your desperate attempt to seem as smart as possible, you used a semicolon completely incorrectly.

Can we close this thread yet? There are too many people ITT who aren't intelligent enough to contribute meaningful information to the discussion. I'm really sorry if that sounds harsh or offends anyone, but it's 100% true.

One of "those people" is you, this thread was about the PC/iDevice "conflict", and not about starting flamewars, or offending people as you did. :)

PCs have advantages, and it is unfair for an iDevice to spar a PC, but they can change the situation all the time when they get on their own PCs.

Rage quit because you can't defend anything that was thrown at you.

Looks like the scrub has given up. iDevicers 2 pc 0
The best sign of defeat is an attack on grammar/spelling so put your tail between your legs and go back to your pc spar thread

Seems you are the one lacking intelligence, or the "ability to understand" seeing as you are so narrow-minded only listening to yourself and take into consideration only what you have to say, not others. Everyone else is responding to your points whereas you fail to respond to others with anything other than "du u evn spar bro?!" Kindly learn the words you use before using them.

Let's not bully him now, I bet he is crying in his corner now, hugging his "Petfish".

Try reading the thread before you leap in and toss out your two cents.

I've responded individually to the same people and their same "points" (and complete lack thereof) time and time again to be completely ignored and have my posts spammed out by people who can't spell four-letter words and haven't sparred a dozen times this week. I've exhausted the argument. I guarantee that you've yet to read a single one of my extremely long-winded and explanatory posts in the thread, and even if you had you wouldn't be able able to hold much weight in an argument like this because even you seem to be foreign to this discussion. Who are you? Do you spar? You don't think that's a legitimate question? How can you even enter a conversation about something you don't do, don't know the intricacies of, and don't understand?

But, say what you must to get those precious internet karma points that you crave so badly.

Admittedly I did read the last 2 pages only, and within those last two pages you just made yourself seem like a total prick. If you have nothing further or different to say, then don't? Everyone is allowed their own opinion even if it differs from yours. There is a difference between constructive conversations and arguments and just thinking you are right and everyone else is stupid which seems to be how your thinking is going at the moment.

He's waiting for his Enguard crew to show, otherwise he can't backup anything he said. It's kind of sad that everyone with a bit of money has the ability to use the internet. Anyways, my point again: Do you see what you did, Thallen? You made this thread into a flamewar, or atleaast a discussion(if you may call this one, because it really isn't one) about another topic, instead of writing about the real question behind this 8 pages of your useless spam, PC Client vs iDevice Client. Here we go, once again.

The fact that you think that the discussion that I am representing and speaking on behalf of is a matter of opinion and not a matter of very plainly explaining what the game allows, and is therefore fair, clearly shows that you don't even understand my argument and makes me question why you'd even want to pass judgment on an issue that is apparently very unclear to you.

So I'd like to ask you on your "opinion" on the topic of this thread, since you've chosen to interject and critique one side of it: Can you tell us what you think about iDevice vs. PC sparring, Jester Lapse?

PC and iDevice sparring is not equal, just as iPad vs iTouch is not. PC Clients suck and lag, skyridder does it a bit better than facebook. PC gives you a better sense of controls whereas on iDevice a simple finger slip could screw you.

I prefer playing any graal server from pc simply because of the advantage of having more view space than even ipad, better controls and easier to type. iOS is less laggy and more suited. They are different, therefor they should remain different spars.

Only reason I think era has not done separate spars on their server is simply because it is impossible to spar from pc there due to lag for the sake of comparing to other servers.

Not really...

Great. Now that you've shared your thoughts on which device is the best to spar on, understand the the majority of this thread has nothing to do with that.

This thread is primarily a discussion of iDevice players claiming that sparring from the PC is "unfair." Since you've chosen to go down this route, I'll do the same:
The word "unfair" is not an opinion word. Please realize that before we progress in this one-on-one conversation. I can have the "opinion" that something is unfair, but fact and extremely basic logic can prove that it is most definitely fair, completely invalidating my "opinion" and causing me to look like an idiot. It's almost like trying to say, "It's my opinion that apples are the color orange." Maybe to your eyes they may look that way because you're misinterpreting the color or you just don't know what you're talking about, but trust me, we can prove that the apple is red.

Graal supports multiple devices for any and every user. It is a constant. It is the same for everyone. That is the very definition of fair.

You seem to be responding more sensibly than GOAT and the others, so let me try to juice more answers out of you:
Do you agree that it is fair for any player to be able to decide what device they want to spar on rather than being forced to select one?

If you answered yes, congratulations! You've just agreed with every single part of my argument. If you answered no, please read this post and reconsider your answer.

I'll be here, eagerly awaiting your reply.

Absolutely. This thesis is key in a thread such as this, where personal opinion appears to provide a person with sufficient evidence to convince another.

This thread is so similar to the American government right now....

Lol wow you are sofa king read tar ed
No one is arguing about what device people should play on, the argument is basically pc have the advantage when it comes to speed/performance. Like i already told you i suck with pc, u shouldnt be affected skill wise in a device so lets have that match and then you can tell me i won because u were on a device and i was on a pc.

I tell Person A, "Would you like to use a knife or a gun?" He picks a gun.

I tell Person B, "Would you like to use a knife or a gun?" He picks a knife.

Person A and Person B fight. Person A shoots Person B in the head before he can even get within distance to stab him.

Following the logic of a huge portion of this thread, you would claim that the fight was unfair. But can you explain how it was unfair when both were given the exact same choice?

Person B chose the knife. Does this elementary analogy do it for you? Can you now see why I think some of you are just flat out whiners and idiots for choosing to use the iDevice when you claim that the PC is obviously better?

lol

You never cease to amaze me, GOAT. I am truly stunned and in awe, so much that I can't even bring myself to quote your last post. You are absolutely dominating me with pure, eyes-closed stupidity right now. You're facetanking every logical thing I say and countering it with, "HAHAHAHA, I'M WAYYY TOO STUPID TO EVEN WANT TO CONSIDER THAT." You are an insanely skilled individual in this regard.

I am begging you to be smarter and digest my posts. I am desperately pleading for you to grasp these concepts, but I am slowly giving up. A few more autistic outbursts from you, and you will have won. I will have to admit defeat.

For one, the apple is green, perhaps even yellow.
Unfair IS an opinion word. Want me to prove it? check the spoiler, if you don't care then skip it



Now for what I personally believe, is there not rooms where iDevice and PC players can spar each other? IMO there should be at least one of each, iOS vs PC, PC vs PC, iOS vs iOS. That way people can choose what they want based on what they personally believe to be fair or unfair :)

invalid really, some people are forced to play on one or the other because their iPod broke or their computer is fried. This does not apply to everyone, so really this point makes no sense.

That is a terrible example, actually. Just because it is popular to use words incorrectly in casual conversation does not mean that it gives new definition to the word.

Fair and unfair have nothing to do with bias, personal experience, or opinion. Sorry to put it bluntly, but you are just incorrect. Just because someone says or agrees that something is fair or unfair does not mean that it is or isn't, nor does it mean they are using the word correctly.

It would be completely unfair for the older brother to stay up later than the younger brother. Why? Because only one side was given that choice. Thus, it's very clearly unfair. Don't you get that? Just because the older brother has the "opinion" that it is fair doesn't mean that it changes the reality of the situation. It is very clearly unfair, and the equation proves it. Fairness can be proven in any situation. In conversation, you can use the words "fair" and "unfair" to try and personalize a situation, but you're taking away from the true meaning of the word. You are making a huge mistake in allowing one's dialect to alter the true definition of a word.

If they are forced to do something by anyone or anything other than the game, the game and its rules are still fair. You need to accept this concept. Life is unfair, bro. It's not my fault or Graal's fault that you don't have a PC or that you broke your iPod, and it doesn't affect the fairness that the game offers to every player in any way.

Your argument is then reduced to, "It is unfair that you have a PC and I do not." I agree, it is unfair. Why is it unfair though? It's unfair because of choices or mistakes that you've made. Not me, and not the game.

Lol ur ******ed
Ur to stupid to even the understand the argument. The argument has never about not wanting to use a pc. People play on whatever they want and the fact still stands pc s are stronger than idevices.
I tell Person A, "Would you like to use a knife or a gun?" He picks a gun.

I tell Person B, "Would you like to use a knife or a gun?" He picks a knife.
Person B had two
snipers in place mr speed and mr speedboost
Person A and Person B fight. Mr xspeed shoots Person A in the head before he can even get within distance to shoot him.

Following the logic of a huge portion of this thread, you would claim that the fight was unfair. But can you explain how it was unfair when both were given the exact same choice?
ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT YOU SUCK AT USING EXAMPLES

Again the dictionary
fair1 [fair] Show IPA adjective, fair·er, fair·est, adverb, fair·er, fair·est, noun, verb
adjective
1.
free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair judge.

so it is safe to assume the word unfair, being the opposite, contains bias. Really, if you wanted to you could twist anything to seem fair or unfair.

if fair and unfair is so cut and dry, then why is everyone divided on it?
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&s...w=1527&bih=871

?!?! It's like you're proving MY point. YOU are misunderstanding the things that you are citing.

The dictionary agrees with me that the word "fair" represents something that cannot be affected by bias.

So yes, unfair would clearly mean that something may include bias. My claim that it has "nothing to do with bias" means that your bias cannot effect the state of how unfair something is.
As in, you cannot say, "Nah, I don't think that's unfair," when you give one person 3 grapes and another person only 2 grapes. Basically, you're being biased about bias, and when bias is even included in the equation then clearly it's unfair. Are you following me?

I don't need to click your link because again, you're taking the discussion of others and trying to substitute dialect for vocabulary. People will always casually misuse the words "fair" and "unfair" for the lack of a better word.

ok well then the only fair thing is what I said about different rooms. Free from bias, all options are available and people can choose. Idk why you're still going when what I said basically assimilates what you were trying to say lol.

Sounds to me like you're agreeing with everything I've said after making a post where you question my intelligence. Either we're both idiots or you just spoke too soon, I guess.

In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter because several people in this thread have made up their mind that they will be relentless in refusing to cooperate with certain parts of this argument, no matter how logical the viewpoint is. I'm completely willing to read and try to understand anyone else's take on the situation, I just haven't seen a single argument thus far that I can't counter by quoting something I've posted earlier in the week.

You guys can keep offering your "opinions" as long as you can manage to control yourself when I reply with facts to contradict or challenge them.

This 'discussion' is dragging on a bit.

> People say that PC has an advantage over iDevices
> Thallen says that if PC has an advantage over iDevices, use PC so you're not disadvantaged
> People respond and say that's not the topic
> ???
> Repeat over and over

Like really, is anyone actually reading what is being said in this thread? You're all arguing over something which everyone (bar the few that tried to argue technicalities, but that hasn't been discussed in the last few pages) has agreed upon.

I still stand by these based on the past 2 pages before I commented. I also disagree with you saying fair and unfair are set in specifications. Sorta like saying good and bad are also set in stone. I honestly have no interest in this topic at all really, sparring on era is more fun imo than classic. Just got tired of seeing stupid bickering and pointless crap that didn't progress the thread discussion at all.

?

Well, I challenge you to give me any scenario and I'll tell you if a situation in that scenario is fair or unfair, and I'll explain to you exactly why. It won't be an opinion, either. It's that simple really.

You can't use the word "fair" like the word "fat." What is fat? Is 200 pounds fat? Is 300 pounds fat? Is there an official scale we should use that outlines the limits on the word fat? Fat to you could only be chubby to me. Fat is an opinion word when you see it by definition.

Fairness isn't like that.
I didn't want the thread to turn into an analysis of the English language, but whatever. I'm done for right now guys, thanks for reading.