Posted by GotenGraal (Post 306138)

Yeah of course people who delay are going to say there's no advantage. Rezon you posting your own quote doesn't mean anything lol.

Posted by Rezon (Post 305976)

Both parties have disadvantages, however the delayer might have a slight advantage because Player B might be more focused on crying and complaining, rather than adjusting.

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 306152)

Alright your done talking? Lol I'll be waiting for you to post something new...

Posted by MrSimons (Post 306182)

She doesn't need to, everything she's said is already right, give up kid.

Posted by MrSimons (Post 306182)

She doesn't need to, everything she's said is already right, give up kid.

Posted by GOAT (Post 306033)

Cool story bro? lol knob?
If you spent more time developing zone instead of arguing in the classic forums you might help your server get a higher player count. Last time I checked staff outnumbered the players. :/

Shut up knob and remember you’re the fat kid on the baseball team.

Posted by MrSimons (Post 306182)

She doesn't need to, everything she's said is already right, give up kid.

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 306451)

Says who? Do you even have any experience on the topic? The argument is if delay=advantage which I already proved it does. My last point has yet to be beaten baka. Requoting yourself and not addressing my point means you lose, not to mention the kid pming me out of rage.

Posted by *Vatec (Post 306547)

omg yes i did it

Posted by *Vatec (Post 306547)

omg yes i did it

Posted by *Vatec (Post 306560)

2late i alrdy got a screenie hahahaha

on topic: I PMed Goten in the hope he would actually read what I was saying.

Posted by Aaron - Taevin (Post 306131)

Please...stop

And if we're still talking about delay...I know for a fact not all delayers can see the other player lagging/warping/delaying as well.

Posted by *Vatec (Post 304614)

It's actually HARDER for us to spar/PK

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 306066)

Yeah no go to sardon and wait for 7mood to pk then tell me delay isn't an advantage. I'm not only talking about sparring. Is it okay that delayers can run through sword spam unhittable, lag block for 5 mins, and hit flag 20 times till a hit on them is finally recognized?

Posted by LiA (Post 304867)

Well, okay 0:. I guess we're all delayers then. Well can anyone explain the showlag/ms then? How come laggers/delayers are usually at 300+ ms while we're all under 100?

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 306682)

There's a difference in number for a reason. If it was mutual I'd be able to do all the things at towers I mentioned delayers doing.

Posted by Rezon (Post 305976)

Let me explain this "hes going through my swords" dilemma once more. First, lets start off by saying Player A has 300ms, while player B has 50.


Player A is wall sparring, he is sending out swings randomly (since you're probably warping on his screen too) and he isn't hitting anything on HIS SCREEN. Player B is frantically trying to hit him too, running towards him but seemingly getting hit every time he charges in. Once he gets close enough, he swings, but player A walks right through it. Why is this?

When player A swings, since he is at 300 ms, the server receives this data significantly late, then regurgitates it back at player B. If player B gets hit by the sword hit, player A did NOT just swing in real time, in fact that was probably 1-2 seconds ago. If player A seemingly swings at player B and it goes right through him, that's because player B receives the data far too late and his character is most likely far away from that spot. Also, player A may be swinging directly at player B, but because of his delay, none of the hits register in real time, similar to the other case.

Solution: You learn to adjust to their delay, and predict a few seconds ahead on where they're going to move. Its quite easy to predict where someone is going to go when they have that much delay, they won't be able to see where you're striking, vice versa. Both parties have disadvantages, however the delayer might have a slight advantage because Player B might be more focused on crying and complaining, rather than adjusting.

This is an extreme case, as many delayers don't do this intentionally, rather live far away from the servers. The largest ping gap I can think of would be someone at ~200.

tl;dr You're getting hit not because of the delayers lag, but because the serer is regurgitating it too late. You are not missing the delayer, rather the server is.

P.S.Delayers may survive until the end of a guildspar because most have to react to their lag by playing a more passive strategy of spar, allowing them to surivive longer.

Posted by The Wizard (Post 303762)

tried to include all active sparrers, please no bias

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 306669)

You learned how to tie your shoes?

Posted by *Vatec (Post 306968)

Yep!

Posted by Rezon (Post 306753)

It's quite funny how Goten hasn't brought up 1 legitimate point yet. Just because you have nothing to think of, and I'm clearly right, doesn't mean you have to pretend like you're not trying/asleep.

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 306066)

Yeah no go to sardon and wait for 7mood to pk then tell me delay isn't an advantage. I'm not only talking about sparring. Is it okay that delayers can run through sword spam unhittable, lag block for 5 mins, and hit flag 20 times till a hit on them is finally recognized?

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 306999)

Lol are u blind?? Hello my pk point?? I can't hit flags 20 times without taking damage and glide through sword spam and get through the doors. It's funny alls your doing is requoting some boring analogy instead of addressing all the new posts I make.

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 306999)

Delay=Advantage. I proved it here, this is a fact go to any tower and wait for a delayer to pk and you'll see this. You haven't argued this point because you can't, you simply ignore it. Delay having an advantage or not is the argument, you can't shut this point down. If delay was equal I could do all these things which I cannot.

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 307138)

You can't fight someone who runs through you to the flag room lol...

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 307138)

You can't fight someone who runs through you to the flag room lol...

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 307138)

You can't fight someone who runs through you to the flag room lol...

Posted by Xavier (Post 307251)

As Rezon suggested, that issue is known as rubber banding. In the 9,480 spars I've completed, I recall my opponent rubber banding in no more than 10 spars (of which I lost 8 or 9). It really is quite a rare occurrence. I predict that you will respond to this with "it happens all the time in towers blah blah":

The title of this thread is "Best iDevice Sparrer".

Posted by Blueh (Post 307255)

This has gone from an opinion based thread about high ranking sparrers, to lag, delay, towering, and more than anything: mudslinging. Throwing crap against the wall doesn't mean it will stick, it means it will make a mess. In other words, throwing insults everywhere in hopes it will make a point, will not. It will only create an irrelevant argument. Fall back on what Simons said earlier in this thread: If lag exists, what are you going to do about it? You can't control the latency of another person unless you are able to move them closer or farther from a wifi source. But for the most part, you aren't able to. The only thing that can be done with a lagger, whether it be in spar or tower is to fill out a brief report. Nothing more.