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Rezon 11-16-2011 10:21 PM

Wait, I still see the old hats...

(I'm on PC)

MrSimons 11-16-2011 10:57 PM

New hats r better, see what happens when u put effort into a graphic -i feel like a major hypocrite-

Rexx 11-16-2011 11:06 PM

aw I shouldn't have posted the pic, I liked the old one xD


Probably less recognized thus being less controversial but this is Lucy from Elfen Lied.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...z/fb73d9b5.jpg


http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...Elfenlied5.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...Lied/Lucy7.jpg

Rufus 11-16-2011 11:16 PM

What's the new hats look like aside from the new pirate?

callimuc 11-17-2011 12:34 AM

I think itīs just the flower which also changed. Pretty much looks the same, just colors have changed and a little detail. Canīt post a screenshot at the moment.

Rezon 11-17-2011 01:24 AM

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Posted by callimuc (Post 33571)
I think itīs just the flower which also changed. Pretty much looks the same, just colors have changed and a little detail. Canīt post a screenshot at the moment.

still changed enough to avoid any copyright issues, the flower looks like any other flower, and the pirate hat is completely recolored and changed.

Yephenpeace 11-17-2011 01:42 AM

They really should have kept a feather on the pirate hat. That's the only reason i bought it... *tickle tickle*

Tyler 11-17-2011 02:03 AM

Lol.

http://images.wikia.com/bleach/en/im...efection_3.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n.../81dd95141.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0...dder_super.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n.../bb7ed4e61.jpg

http://www.mexat.com/vb/attachment.p...1&d=1224159519

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n.../87c095d91.jpg

Rezon 11-17-2011 02:05 AM


CRI:

Copyright investigations.

Tyler 11-17-2011 02:13 AM

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Posted by Rezon (Post 33601)
CRI:

Copyright investigations.

The list is endless. EDIT: Lol just caught another on the same page from the same anime.

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/answ...es_238_212.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/dragonball/i...droid17GTB.png

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...62c9a1b1-1.jpg

Rexx 11-17-2011 02:46 AM

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Posted by TylerMysTe (Post 33599)

whats the old man from?

Tyler 11-17-2011 02:50 AM

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Posted by Rexx (Post 33615)
whats the old man from?

Bleach. His name is Barragan I believe.

Chaotic 11-17-2011 03:11 AM

Thats just fan art though, copyright infringment is a direct rip like the pirate hat and flower.

Tyler 11-17-2011 03:15 AM

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Posted by Chaotic (Post 33643)
Thats just fan art though, copyright infringment is a direct rip like the pirate hat and flower.

So why is most of the stuff on Graal rejected for copyright? It's not a direct rip, it's just fan art, but they reject it anyways.

Rezon 11-17-2011 03:48 AM

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Posted by TylerMysTe (Post 33650)
So why is most of the stuff on Graal rejected for copyright? It's not a direct rip, it's just fan art, but they reject it anyways.

If I could still +rep you, I would but.. for now..

Anyways, I agree, on their upload website they have images of banned heads/bodies which can be debatable to be 'fan art'

Rexx 11-17-2011 04:04 AM

I think we should just put all this copyright stuff to rest...we could debate about what violates copyright and what doesn't, forever.

the graphics staff has recognized and now fixed some of the more obvious copyrighted stuff, what more can you ask for ;o

Maikeru 11-17-2011 04:05 AM

Half of the game is completely copyrighted. However, people are claiming just because they sprite it means that its acceptable and cannot be under copyright laws

°Seeker99 11-17-2011 04:35 AM

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This one is on PC Graal. I like it :love:. It's majoras mask :3

Winter 11-17-2011 11:24 PM

There is one female head with pink hair covering one eye and what looks like cat ears, which 100% replicates that of a main character in an anime I saw a part of. Even her facial expression is perfectly copied. I can't think of the name of the anime, and I can't get a screenshot right now, but when I can, I will post it here.

MrSimons 11-17-2011 11:31 PM

Graal appears to be talented in taking copyrighted material and putting it on the game...

Rufus 11-17-2011 11:32 PM

MY HEAD IS BASED ON SOME GENERIC ANIME BLONDE GUY AND I'M SURE IT HAS BEEN IN AT LEAST 10 ANIME SHOWS.. SUE ME!!!! caps

Winter 11-17-2011 11:37 PM

http://house-of-blood.weebly.com/upl...92/7452029.jpg
Lucy (from Elfen Lied)

Pretty sure there's a head that looks exactly like this.

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Posted by Rexx (Post 33527)
aw I shouldn't have posted the pic, I liked the old one xD

Probably less recognized thus being less controversial but this is Lucy from Elfen Lied.

Didn't see your post, sorry!

MrSimons 11-17-2011 11:40 PM

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Posted by Shannon (Post 33982)
http://house-of-blood.weebly.com/upl...92/7452029.jpg

Pretty sure there's a head that looks exactly like this.

I think Tyler showed a pic of that head earlier.

Winter 11-17-2011 11:44 PM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 33985)
I think Tyler showed a pic of that head earlier.

Rexx did, I must have missed it.

Yephenpeace 11-17-2011 11:44 PM

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Posted by Rexx (Post 33527)
aw I shouldn't have posted the pic, I liked the old one xD


Probably less recognized thus being less controversial but this is Lucy from Elfen Lied.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...z/fb73d9b5.jpg


http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...Elfenlied5.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...Lied/Lucy7.jpg

Pretty sure this is what you're talking about Shannon. Haha

Winter 11-17-2011 11:46 PM

Erm, yep!

Chaotic 11-18-2011 12:19 AM

But thats just fan art, not stolen copyrighted material

Yephenpeace 11-18-2011 12:34 AM

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Posted by Chaotic (Post 33994)
But thats just fan art, not stolen copyrighted material

And using "fan art" in a game is technically infringing copyright..

Chaotic 11-18-2011 12:37 AM

I don't believe so, but it might be, I'm not sure

Rufus 11-18-2011 01:02 AM

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Posted by Chaotic (Post 33994)
But thats just fan art, not stolen copyrighted material

This is correct. The vast majority of Gaia Online items are tributes to some anime, game, movie, or comic books. How is this shop owner not Storm from X-Men? How is this not Minato from Naruto? Rock Lee? Neji? Asuma? Naruto himself? Sailor Moon? Solid Snake? Aeris? Zelda? Tetra? You could really go on ALL DAY with Gaia's stuff. An MMORPG named Trickster also has a lot of this, including Power Ranger costumes if I remember correctly. Another MMORPG named Dragonica has outfits that you can buy for premium money such as a Kill Bill "kung fu" outfit and a Pokemon "red-capped 5-piece" costume.

The content isn't named after what they're clearly representing, but they are only tributes, not copyright infringing material. I don't understand why everyone is so concerned about it anyway. I really don't.

Rexx 11-18-2011 01:08 AM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 34012)
This is correct. The vast majority of Gaia Online items are tributes to some anime, game, movie, or comic books. How is this shop owner not Storm from X-Men? How is this not Minato from Naruto? Rock Lee? Neji? Asuma? Naruto himself? Sailor Moon? Solid Snake? Aeris? Zelda? Tetra? You could really go on ALL DAY with Gaia's stuff. An MMORPG named Trickster also has a lot of this, including Power Ranger costumes if I remember correctly. Another MMORPG named Dragonica has outfits that you can buy for premium money such as a Kill Bill "kung fu" outfit and a Pokemon "red-capped 5-piece" costume.

The content isn't named after what they're clearly representing, but they are only tributes, not copyright infringing material. I don't understand why everyone is so concerned about it anyway. I really don't.

despite the stuff I've posted I honestly don't care whether the stuff is used or not, Eurocenter is liable for copyright infringement, not us.

pic related:

Dusty 11-18-2011 01:14 AM

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Posted by Rexx (Post 34015)
Eurocenter is liable for copyright infringement, not us.
:

Except there's nothing to be liable for here. All anyone complaining is going to do is get them paranoid and remove it, even though there's legally no reason to.

Rufus 11-18-2011 01:16 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 34019)
Except there's nothing to be liable for here. All anyone complaining is going to do is get them paranoid and remove it, even though there's legally no reason to.

Therein lies why we're not being allowed to upload heads that are remotely similar to any existing character. You should be allowed to so long as it isn't a rip, but they don't for this exact reason. You only make things worse this way.

Tyler 11-18-2011 01:19 AM

I'm honestly getting tired of this copyright stuff. Everyone's disagreeing with one another and it's not getting anywhere. I'm applying this to the SoulSlayer thread as well. Someone needs to make a copyright thread with legit information and sources on how this works so if someone is wrong they can be pointed to the thread and quote. I just want the huge dispute of what is and isn't copyright to be over. I don't know how the copyright works entirely so yeah.

MrSimons 11-18-2011 03:49 AM

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Posted by TylerMysTe (Post 34024)
I'm honestly getting tired of this copyright stuff. Everyone's disagreeing with one another and it's not getting anywhere. I'm applying this to the SoulSlayer thread as well. Someone needs to make a copyright thread with legit information and sources on how this works so if someone is wrong they can be pointed to the thread and quote. I just want the huge dispute of what is and isn't copyright to be over. I don't know how the copyright works entirely so yeah.

Yes we NEED a thread defining copyright cuz at the time it seems like we r making up most of the copyright stuff in the posters favor.

Maikeru 11-18-2011 04:19 AM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 34012)
This is correct. The vast majority of Gaia Online items are tributes to some anime, game, movie, or comic books. How is this shop owner not Storm from X-Men? How is this not Minato from Naruto? Rock Lee? Neji? Asuma? Naruto himself? Sailor Moon? Solid Snake? Aeris? Zelda? Tetra? You could really go on ALL DAY with Gaia's stuff. An MMORPG named Trickster also has a lot of this, including Power Ranger costumes if I remember correctly. Another MMORPG named Dragonica has outfits that you can buy for premium money such as a Kill Bill "kung fu" outfit and a Pokemon "red-capped 5-piece" costume.

The content isn't named after what they're clearly representing, but they are only tributes, not copyright infringing material. I don't understand why everyone is so concerned about it anyway. I really don't.

But you're making money off of it... So thats a whole different thing..
The lucy, buu, android 17 and other heads are involved in a custom pack which costs 2 dollars (which in the graal+ version aswell) so technically thats copyright law... Especially when some of the heads exactly look like characters from other games/animes..

If it was 100% free, then this issue wouldn't be brought up

Dusty 11-18-2011 04:36 AM

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Posted by Maikeru (Post 34130)
But you're making money off of it... So thats a whole different thing..
The lucy, buu, android 17 and other heads are involved in a custom pack which costs 2 dollars (which in the graal+ version aswell) so technically thats copyright law... Especially when some of the heads exactly look like characters from other games/animes..

If it was 100% free, then this issue wouldn't be brought up

The other games are making money off of it to. Also, contrary to popular belief, something being free doesn't exclude it from copyright laws.

WarrLordd 11-18-2011 01:15 PM

You guys still arguing about this? Didn't i already point out if you remake something and not an actual rip there's no copyright issues with graal. Why don't you go pick on that app pokedex which sell on the app store for $.99 that's what you call a rip they took images from Nintendo DS yet they are still on the app store for almost a year. Get over it the rules are simple by guidelines what's already there is already there. Could be replaced or not. This is how Graal been doing it for years on pc servers, fan made items that a person actually pixel from sratch is ok.

Just it won't happen on iClassic, copyright content shall not be uploaded by players. (SIMPLE)

Yephenpeace 11-18-2011 02:00 PM

Ever heard of Crafted? They created their own graphics which were 2D replicas of minecraft. They got taken down after about 2 weeks.

Maikeru 11-18-2011 02:07 PM

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Posted by Yephenpeace (Post 34221)
Ever heard of Crafted? They created their own graphics which were 2D replicas of minecraft. They got taken down after about 2 weeks.

No... They were actual sprites of the models themselves..

Yephenpeace 11-18-2011 02:10 PM

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Posted by Maikeru (Post 34222)
No... They were actual sprites of the models themselves..

Minecraft is 3D. Crafted is not. No they weren't.

WarrLordd 11-18-2011 02:14 PM

Actually crafted is still there just not for US Servers

Maikeru 11-18-2011 02:20 PM

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Posted by Yephenpeace (Post 34225)
Minecraft is 3D. Crafted is not. No they weren't.

The side view...

callimuc 11-18-2011 02:29 PM

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Posted by WarrLordd (Post 34227)
Actually crafted is still there just not for US Servers

Also not for the German App Store

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Posted by Yephenpeace (Post 34225)
Minecraft is 3D. Crafted is not. No they weren't.

Minecraft also got 2D objects prices which are "transformed" into 3D ones. Graal also could use them for their game.

Dusty 11-18-2011 06:33 PM

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Posted by Yephenpeace (Post 34221)
Ever heard of Crafted? They created their own graphics which were 2D replicas of minecraft. They got taken down after about 2 weeks.

They were using the textures and sprites(which surprise, are 2d) for their 2d graphics.

Yephenpeace 11-18-2011 07:10 PM

I still fail to see how that is any different than making your own exact copies though...

Dusty 11-18-2011 07:27 PM

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Posted by Yephenpeace (Post 34277)
I still fail to see how that is any different than making your own exact copies though...

And this is why you shouldn't even be in this thread. The fact that you are having problems grasping such simple concepts just invalidates anything you have to say.

Crafted ripped the graphics directly from Minecraft. They took the graphics from terrain.png, copy and pasted them right into their game. Can you tell me any of these heads are graphics directly ripped from somewhere else?

Yephenpeace 11-18-2011 07:31 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 34281)
And this is why you shouldn't even be in this thread. The fact that you are having problems grasping such simple concepts just invalidates anything you have to say.

Crafted ripped the graphics directly from Minecraft. They took the graphics from terrain.png, copy and pasted them right into their game. Can you tell me any of these heads are graphics directly ripped from somewhere else?

I'm done talking about Crafted, it was an example. My main point is that characters who are copyright to a certain group or person are not copyrighted by one image. It doesn't matter if you re-draw something, it's that character regardless.

LavaClaw 11-18-2011 08:10 PM

So, if you're saying copyrighted material is okay, as long as we created it, then why aren't we allowed copyrighted customs (Pokemon, Anime Characters, etc.) even if we make them ourselves?

Rexx 11-18-2011 09:27 PM

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Posted by LavaClaw (Post 34287)
So, if you're saying copyrighted material is okay, as long as we created it, then why aren't we allowed copyrighted customs (Pokemon, Anime Characters, etc.) even if we make them ourselves?

the staff/uploaders can regulate the customs however they want,
I'm sure they're are some guidelines.

Being able to upload customs is a privilege not a right.


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