sure bro, a "special action," IDGAF, twerk if you win 50,000 spars
but the whole point of this is to bring more activity to sparring and PKing (and more activity in PKing will probably make towering more active) by offering a small incentive for doing it
I couldn't care less about BKing, but if you wanna throw that in there as well then go for it

Gst hats require skill, "spar hats" require activeness. You can attain spar hats through boosting, that's why it was removed with the pk items.

"Boosting is a problem in 2014 on Graal and this must stop." - Hadi (some dude I've never once in my life seen sparring or PKing, which are two things I do very actively)

I read somewhere on the forums that they were removed because of boosting. Thallen relax, Don't be jelly because I have more pk's than you.

I'm not jelly until you have a hat or some other sort of in-game reward to commemorate your achievement
EZ'd

you're taking me a little too seriously and straying away from the point of the thread so I'm gonna have to put you in timeout now
I don't give a faaak about tower hats, that's another thread

anyway, let's make this happen

Just because your jelly http://i.imgur.com/oQvEJJ5.png.
On topic: If spar hats get added then PK hats have to get added.
I think BK hats or rewards should be added because you can't necessarily boost on baddies illegally. But it takes no skill to get them so dunno.

Because only spar counts? I never knew you were that jelly http://i.imgur.com/oQvEJJ5.png.

I think we should have some type of reward system...

I don't get why you're begging so much for this. You say it's not about the hats, it's about bringing more activity to sparring and PKing. Yet every time there's a "sparring is dead" thread, you always argue against. And besides, the new scoring system you wanted already increased spar activity.

I like the idea. I mean, I wouldn't be one to pursue with it, but this would actually give a goal to playing graal.
Honestly, there are very few goals that you can achieve. I don't know why people may be opposed to the idea. Finally a goal you can try to achieve without needing a team or being completely solo.

It's literally either this, or being the best afker, farmer or hat hunter. Sparring, with the exclusion of tournaments is mostly for yourself.

^this.

I have no logical reason as to why I support his ideas, all I want is a unique hat that no noob will ever get their hands on. So tired of wearing the same hat as them. I want to earn hats not buy them!

Don't be offended btw, I'm a noob too! I just happen to be the worst best noob :'(

"worst best". new word. I made it. swag.


thallen u got reckt. reckt. reckt lolloolloollolo. reckt. rekt.

sparring isn't and never will be dead and sparring can't and never will be "too active"
people conveniently claim that sparring is "dead" when they are no longer good at it or have no more interest in it, they like to undermine it when other people come up and steal their spotlight, it's ******ed

anyway, there's no downside to what is being suggested in this thread
literally none
all it can do is make sparring more active and bring new people to the arena on a more consistent basis

furthermore, you're looking over the fact that I also suggested this for PKing and BKing
I just named the thread "BRING BACK SPAR HATS" because I knew it'd get more attention, since this forum is so touchy and sensitive every time anyone even drops the S-bomb

If he agreed that the community was dead, would that encourage you to play more often? People attract people, so naturally most people will be attracted to a more lively community. To bring out the positive view will suppress the negatives and potentially increase positive activity. So yeah, it makes more sense to argue against.

Quite honestly, twilit link, your entire post was shot directly at Thallen. Not even the idea he presented, just him and what he's done. What do you think about the idea discussed in the OP? Do you agree or disagree, and why? How can we move forward with this idea if it is ready to take the next step? If you have a personal thing against Thallen and have a legitimate reason to speak out against his general ideas for the game, open a thread about it and discuss the topic there. We'd like to move forward in the Future Improvements forum, not run into roadblocks placed before a goal set only to attack others.

If people have their hearts set on PK hats if spar hat rewards are added, they may present their case as well. Nobody has any right to tell them it doesn't matter. Perhaps the two groups can work together to make the general idea of a reward system for any or all activities a reality? There are so many similarities and yet too much arguing on the topic. I'd personally be in favor of both if it increased activity. Based on general player responses so far, many people like the idea. Therefore, I think it would serve its purpose well!

I don't even spar but can't think of a reason why this hasn't been implemented, the worst that can happen is some of the top sparrers become arrogant as they have achieved it, but who honestly cares about that lol.

Valid point. I think it would be similar to the GS Tournament hats although less selective, meaning it would be less to brag about. From what I've seen so far, many of the GST winners are proud of their rewards, although do not brag or become arrogant because of it. (There are absolutely exceptions, although I'm not going to name names.) I understand your point, but I don't know how much I agree with it.

Hmm, don't get me wrong those that win GST should be proud of their rewards and they deserve to show them off, it's just that sense of arrogance from the exceptions. Regardless, it's not a real reason as to why this idea shouldn't be implmented, it's more an excuse if anything. :p

Well Shannon, if you actually read through the thread, you would have seen my opinions about the OP and your other questions. Why would I have anything personal with Thallen? Are you going to say I dont have the right to disagree with people too? My previous post was targeted towards him in regard to him bumping the thread several times when its pretty clear its not going to happen soon.

I dont care if you want more spar activity. I just think its inappropriate and unnecessary to use hats for incentive. Classic has a lot more potential than just hats. As for PKing, theres already been a problem with people skillessly sword/arrow spamming in large crowds for years. For some reason people dont even need any incentive for "the Great 100k." And quite honestly, I dont want to pk with people who wouldnt be pking if there were no hat.

that girl shannon is that girl winter?? wooooot. that means US was cheating this whole time

#ConspiracyConfirmed

lolz that post was 10 days old you instigator :D

I agree it would be nice to have more ways to earn rarer hats. They could always add hats for sell in the specific hour requirement room. Noobs wouldn't be able to get hats from the Grotto. Or add a shop with higher priced hats no less than like 15k. I don't think you would see a lot of ppl running around with hats that have say a 20-30k price tag. There's all ready a frog only room with cheap hats so why not an upper end priced store?

You don't know what I read. :smile: I've actually been watching this thread for a few weeks now since the topic is interesting and progressive. I saw your other opinions and posts, although, as you just told me, this particular post was targeted towards Thall. You said that you "don't get why you're begging so much for this" and continued questioning his reason for his standpoint on the topic. I think the post was rush-typed and irrelevant, and its definitely unnecessary to make a big deal of it like I am.. But wow, I see too many people come after each other on this site day after day for this kind of thing. :/

The second paragraph you just posted was much better. You make a statement in that hats don't need to be the only incentive, or even an incentive at all. Allow me to challenge: How else do you think the activity could be made more fun for those who are on the verge of getting further into it and completely forgetting about it? High numbers just don't cut it for some people.

I actually think hat rewards are not a bad idea, although you are correct; there are other ways to create motivation as well. Since spar hats were used back then and proved to be at least some sort of inspiring factor for some number of players, it makes sense that the idea be returned for a similar effect with a larger playerbase. Also, it is good to remember that the inclusion of hat rewards does not remove anything from the spar community/game, in my opinion.

Then there is another potential problem to address: Are we running out of hat ideas or old hats to reward with? Are we already running out? Twilit could be straight on the bullseye if we are in fact running low.

Hats are interesting. Yes this is true.

If you already read what I had to say about the whole idea, then why did you ask? Im not "after" anyone. Im only disagreeing with others' opinion. And Thallen replied back logically. Thats how an argument works. Sorry if my posts seem rush-typed; I dont bother wasting my time thinking of how to fully explain my opinion and end up writing a wall of text no one reads nor would care if they did.

I just dont like how hat-centered Classic has become. I dont think spar or PK need incentives; those who think its fun will participate, those who dont like combative activities wont participate.

And lol at those making the "rare hat" argument. Probably 125-ish people already have 100k PK; no way to tell how many people have over 10k spar wins. Even if the milestones are raised, they wont be rare hats anymore in a year from now. When I started playing in Feb2011, the top 50 board min'd at 60k; now that has been expanded to top 100 with a minimum of 120k pks to get on the board.

Haha, I put on music and just go to town! I know people hate me for it, and I know people ignore most of what I type. But believe it or not, the constant focus and auto-correction helps me fight dyslexia as much as I can. So I just do it, sorry if you or others don't care. :P

I agree, but it isn't the only Graal server like this. UN is also very centered around hats, to a point. Zodiac/Era more pointed towards weapons, since that is what sells. You sound pretty "straight-to-the-point" about being against incentives for any activity, if I can say that. It makes sense, but sadly our beliefs on how the community should run does not always match up with what goes on. After all, I know a load of players who join multiple tower guilds only to get the most "exclusive" hats they can manage to pick up. Sounds like incentive to me.. :/

Yes, we've had the tower 1k hat conversation a dozen and a half times before.
And towering is way different from spar or pk.

So do you mean that there should be an incentive for capturing towers yet not for spar or PK? I have to disagree that the three are fairly similar, in my opinion.

No... Ive been against 1k hats since they started being abused in 2012, but thats a whole different story. And towering only requires numbers and a minimal amount of skill.

I agree that hats are over used,but I think incentives are okay as long as they are even for all the major aspects of Classic (pk,spar,tower,ect.)

Imo they should be giving out gralats more often than hats. There are a ton of things to buy and maybe it would be better to just let players buy there hats or whatever item so they get to choose what they get rather than getting whatever rare hat they are given.

Guessing this was forgotten about?

I remember that secret room in DW with the player kill milestones aha.

Good point, there used to be a reward system for PKing. Does anyone remember why it was removed?

Also, ufoburan, I think gralat rewards would work well if it were not for the abundant gralat pack purchases through iTunes. Staff may be hesitant to risk possibly losing even a bit of this income. Though since I have no iTunes account, I'd personally love to win some cash moneys to buy some Graal hats and stuff. :D

I don't think PK should be encouraged now just sparring tbh

People glitched into it too easily.

2 player mounts allowed people to get in the room like special shop rooms. It was not really a reward as it only had the skeleton dragon and the black horse with down syndrome.

pkg has never needed encouragement. people pk because its the best thing to do in classic and the one that requires the most skill to actually be good.

I think hats are a huge part of whats wrong with classic. It's the 1 major sought after thing. Yes there are lots of other things you can get but nothing gets the majority of the player base riled up like new hat release. Imo they screwed up a long time ago when they switched from the pc version.

I'm not trying to say hats are all bad but think how much better it would be if they offered more stuff like if they broke down the body into 2 seperate parts. They could be selling tops and bottoms instead of a singular body as a whole.

I know its far to late to change it now because so many ppl despite hating the depot upload bodies daily. And would cause massive outrage not only that but im sure they get a good chunk of revenue from uploads so they wont change it.

I have ranted about it before but i still dont get why 99% of the time the reward is a hat. Why never mounts,morphs,furniture,gani,different variation of items (types of draisine for example),bodies.

Why not run events when something gets released and let the winners get first crack at the items? There are so many items they could give out but they never do wheres the variety? Why not make an effort to try a steer the players away from the hat driven reward system.

If it works, why change it? @buran

Why would I need/want/make effort for a variation of an item or drasine that already exists because it will still do the same job! Hats become desirable as they are gone once they are removed 80% of the time.

That's just dumb. As someone with experience in coding in general, it sounds incredibly easy to fix. That's like selling your car because you got a flat tire. Just fix the flat tire.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/115...ut-drink-o.gif

as someone with no experience in coding i have no clue how easy or hard it is to fix but that is my understanding of why they closed it. Then they just disable the 2 player mounts in houses to prevent the same thing happening for special shops and transporting friends around the map.

I wasn't doubting that's why they removed them, I just think it's silly. People also claim that spar hats were removed because Ashur gave them away to friends? I'm like 5000% sure that there is a way to make the distribution of those hats automated, I don't understand at all why they were ever doing it manually.

I know, they completely locked down horses before they were finally able to fix all the 2p mount glitches. And we still have "you must dismount before leaving house" and "you must wait before entering house again."

And no, im pretty sure spar hats were removed nearly a year before Ashur was staff

Give us HATZ

The only hat well mask I actually want tbh is the red eyed anbu...

there you go--v

Give out other people's 1k hats as spar hats? Im down for that idea.

Ppl always seem to like to get new varations of items even tho they all do the same thing for the same reason they want any and all hats they can get their hands on because it looks different then what they have.

FP4 = troll

As long as one of the milestone hats is a version of the animated wings that US won in GST, or a hat that people would actually want to wear. I mean I've won a GST and I've wore the hat maybe once or twice because it more of an embarrassment to wear.