Heh thats what I been saying. They're hyping the server like its the best Graal server there is.

woah not true at all. There is no 50hp = impossible to balance cause go look at zone, zone is actually decently balanced out and still has varieties of guns that are unique to serving this task and excelling in it. There still are guns though that are easily better than others since they are easier to use, not much can be done about that though. Thats an issue in all games.

If zone is so great why is the player count so low? Era has proven that 50hp no longer works for Era and therefore it needs to be changed, currently there is no solution that will make everyone happy.

I'm talking about zones balancing. zone lacks people because it gets super boring. Unlike era where theres a steady line of 2000+ a day at all times and its way more entertaining than zone. as for era, no 50HP won't work since theres way too large of a price gap between guns. Even with 100hp in era, there would still be bad imbalances between higher tier guns. However it would be so much better than it is currently.

Final statement: iEra is doomed with sam and rec at the helm of guns. Remove them and you're halfway done with solving the problem.

/thread

Pretty productive discussion here. Lots of ideas and solutions were presented.

Too bad all of this goes to waste because developers and staff in this game in general are extremely lazy and don't even bother having to put actual work in to solve problems. As such, thread abandoned. If I were to post this exact post on EGO, it would probably get deleted and I'd get banned for harassment. Such is the nature of this game.

Don't know why anyone even tries, or even supports iEra anymore.

because even with the horrible balancing, its fun.

Not for the new guys who are getting wrecked, nor for the parents whose CCs are getting stolen.

Oh well. Done with this thread, since the Era staff have been demonstrating their incompetence for ages, so it's useless to devote my time to helping a game I no longer care about. Just trying to help a game out as a favor but Era staff have got it in their head that everything's "working as intended". Someone who gives enough of a damn, post this thread on EGO where they can shoot down your idea too.

it's only fun because of the noobs

This thread should die.

Yet you just revived it...

Can't stress this post enough. While I haven't read any other posts in this thread, I'm sure the changes made to these guns are based on a direct cash grab for the hierarchy. Take me back to iEra '11 when you didn't have to pay real $$$ to experience the game in its entirety.

Summed up nicely. But snk is just Stefan/unixmads puppet. It's all part of a bigger picture really.

I didnt know you understood all of this untill I read what you said. At least more and more people get to feel what its like rofl.
Its sad isnt it, oh man, havent been here in months.
Just like you, I gave up trying long ago. Long ago.

Someone should just 404 iEra and link to Era instead

Graal should just die.

Sucks to suck

This is all true.

i think it's fine to have extremely powerful guns.
knowing iEra itself and its dramatic pay2win get what you want or complain community, most everyone has a Browning, Shipka, or some high tier gun (Mostly BARs in all honesty) but the point is, even if there is powerful guns, everyone has them. I think the problem isn't the guns being powerful, but rather that the some of the community sucks, and uses "O.P." Guns to win. that makes people mad when they think they gots "skillz". Make the guns that are too powerful a bit more compared to "powerful" over "overpowered". Lowering the clip isn't going to do a whole lot, taking damage will most definately make people mad, just highten the freeze a bit more, or if the gun has crazy spread pull that down. I will say guns like the Minigun is a big ripoff for the money compared to a BAR (which isn't in the same class, just judgement by cash which is like $75-81?)

Era just needs to lower the prices, if you just got your gun and they lowered the price a day later, your luck.

Guns Being Nerfed, People on Era-Go Raging for 'Refunds'
 

Too late to lower prices now.

I think Ghetto's hit the spot. (Kudos to you for maturing A LOT since 2012 gj)

They've set a precedent with the BAR, Shipka and what have you early 2013 guns that's simply irreversible now for the justice of those who have p2w'd so to speak, much to the dismay of the, what would be considered the 'minority', who simply struggle or quit as a consequence of the ludicrous prices.

Since the gun was nerfed, why don't just nerf the price also?
Before nerf the gun, nerf Ebola first.

Imagine you buy a computer equipped with an i7 processor and that 4 months later Intel comes to your house and replaces it with an i3...

This is what iEra is doing.

Nah bro, it's not too late. This is Graal. They're allowed to completely change around everything including stats and prices. Want to make BAR on par with a tier-1 gun? They can do it. Era has done it and (only Seth was able to get info on this and play the market to make 10mil) guns were changed, prices were changed, stuff like the Daewoo went from a 10k gun to a 70k gun. While something like the Desert Raven went from a 600k gun with amazing stats to the same gun, but it became 300k at most due to lowered pawn prices.

As for a gun that got nerfed? MP5 Navy was considered the highest-tier gun and it was the greatest gun in Era at the time. Staff nerfed it down to a tier-3 gun and it went from around 1mil to... 500k? Don't quite remember.

Hey man. Just to clarify, I am aware of the ability/changes that have occurred in the past. What I am trying to say is the BAR was the first gun of that pricing category. Before hand a 4.5k M4 was top dog followed by your 2.5k AK47 from memory (could be wrong, but I definitely remember the BAR been out of this world in terms of the old pricing) . The BAR was the catalyst for the changing iEra economy. Yeah sure, guns are going to change slightly, but only to adjust to the current economy that's been established. I doubt many originals are here to share this memory with me but, remember the days of free M4s? God knows how much they are now...The economy was different then and since then its been continually rising.

Let's be realistic, obtaining the guns in Graal now through the in-game jobs is NOT possible for the casual-IplaywhenIhavesparetime-player. Obviously Gralat Packs are the solution (which is the reason for the high prices remember?). You are the consumer of the Graal product in its virtual market. Not saying that's a good or bad thing; it is what it is unixmad needs to make a living. (I personally disagree with unixmads management on a moral basis but I won't go there, you'll find it in a recent post with Newton.)

In summary, you're right Cookie, they can and will change prices but only to suit the contemporary iEra economy. Imagine the uproar if guns revolved around the old economy at say 20k gralats? People that wasted $50 on a few pixels would lose their ****! Anyway, If you were playing a couple of years ago, which is what I'm assuming, you'll understand :) I gotta get back to English speech and stop my Graal essay.

maturity is overrated on graal :P :P:)

forums for a game defeats the purpose of fun hehe

It's pretty rare nowadays though...

I guess that's one way to look at it, on the other hand, a profit driven management who relies on talented consumers to create the content for them while not being even slightly thankful or appreciative to them, is another way to kill the fun. #justsaying

Thus my friends you have learned that iEra is p2w the staff suck, and they are greedy fkers who want your wallet empty. that is all that needs to be said whoever said something about a server wipe great fking job! And ozzy my man you said you wont come back until snk is gone, thats great cause he is why iEra lost a *** ton of oldbies. Sorry Snk but you are a complete idiot.

Foolish to defend this game. Should have seen the guys on Era-Go. Defending the game saying its not pay2win. They was pretty much like can u buy any gun with RL money? Buy a speed boost with RL money? How about EC items..buy dem with rl money? No? Then its not p2w. Either that forum don't know what they are talking about or I'm just smoking something crazy. They actually believe this game jobs are fines and that it should stay like this nerfed and all.

People on Era-Go are ignorant idiots and they come here and they act all differents its so funny lmao. Cause they know they can actually get roasted here without *** moderators licking their asses.

To be fair, yes the server more or less started out as P2w (talking about bar release not before that) but it's you players who are making it stay this way. On numerous times I have tried nerfing guns because believe it or not I want it to be fair aswell, and after doing it, thanks to the huge backlash of angry/upset players who are unable to understand the way balancing works, the stats had to be changed back. The nerfs that have been carried through are only minor parts of what was originally intended and because of that even though people still complain about the BAR/ Minigun nerf I still am not happy with it, and if I chose to ignore player opinions I would have nerfed it even more significantly.

Until the server 'grows up' and can see nerfs/buffs contributing to balance instead of going 'my bar has 10 less clip, I got scammed, refund me this gun is useless now' (ie. the original point of this thread) things aren't going to get better.

And yes I know people spent money irl on their guns but when a nerf is made yes the gun isn't as good as it was before, but it is still better than the guns below its price and worth what it is made so we aren't ripping you off. Something 80% of Era's players don't understand which is largely due to the server being mostly made up of under 13 year olds

(Also as Unixmad is the only person profiting off guns/packs- Snk declined Stefans offer of getting payment- and so any one saying we sell guns/ nerf guns just to make a profit are completely wrong. Honestly we don't give a **** how much money is made from them, the real reason for expensive guns is because the gun is stronger than others, and it was originally thought that only a few would buy it, not the entire server- like how auction guns work- so the guns more powerful stats wouldn't be as much of a problem as you would rarely encounter them)

There's your problem. You need to not listen to these complaints when you know that a nerf is fully needed and you know exactly how to fix it. Like I said earlier; take Era for example. A massive gun nerf happened and eveyone complained. You know what they did? They said tough ****. Sell or pawn your weapon if you don't like it. Especially the MP5 Navy which went from top gun worth 1 million to on-par with BAR. Many people raged, but they offered a 500k return. That's it.

Tl;dr

Learn to make a decision and stick with it.

Seriously iEra staff need to grow a pair of balls and not taking responsibility cause the **** didnt hit the fan till after they were hired. **** that bull**** there are **** tons of people who would be willing to fix this. Get your rears in gear and do what needs to be done, stop hiding under a rock.

Yea well you can't refund in era because stefan and uni didn't want it. And you can't stick with it when you have 200 people crying in start and spamming every staff because even if I choose not to change it back someone else will. You probably don't know about the flame thrower nerf since you dont play, but it's basically a free gun that is extremely op, and after I nerfed it they all took to the forums crying and the next day it had been changed back.
Era and iEra balancing work differently, since there is no irl money used in era, if they wanted to they could rebalance every gun and change them completely. Something like that isn't possible in iEra

Thats what I hate..Nerf a gun and people be crying in start..Stupid how others get to change it back.. To me it should be only guns admin can change under manager approval..but then again..idk if snk would allow some that are needed.

Bit hard to not be responsible for changes when you are pretty much the only one doing them. Minor nerfs still went ahead but the major ones didn't because of the people angry about it.
If you like a nerf and want it to stay, when people are arguing saying it's bad, defend the change. It's hard to convince people the nerf is needed when the player support of it is 10-1 since only the angry people are the ones posting qnd so it looks one sided.

Just thought that was funny hehe.

You're an idiot.

Wrong, if you want to get down to it, by proxy people spend money on Era through purchasing gelats (like purchasing gralats on iEra) and then buying potions to sell for gralats (Now both have paid for money) They both paid for money. What they do with it is up to them. They do not directly pay for the weapons, they pay for the money. Even if they complain, so what. A nerf that's needed should be applied and kept to balance game play. Ignore their whining and do what actually fixes the game. Don't cave in because people whine about a nerf to their clearly overpowered game breaking gun. Seriously, ya'll need to stick with your decisions.

That's different though, from what i've gathered based of the official forums, you technically aren't allowed to be using gelats to gain money in era, and so it's to bad if your gun is nerfed because you used an unorthodox method to get that money

Why do you use these forums when you have absolutely 0 insightful or positive input. All of your posts are either negative or meaningless. You're like GOAT just not even remotely funny.
And the guns can and have been completely overhauled. I read a post on the official forums a month or two ago where the new gun admin had rebalanced the majority of guns on the server. And the stats for other guns before that had been changed countless times by gun admins before him

Do you honestly think that Ish can just "change" stats without ANY backlash or repercussions at all? Think before you say stupid **** like that when you don't even PLAY Era.

The only REAL change was that he made the AA12, because of the photo below.

See this thread for more info: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...hp?t=134269686

I'm not talking about the aa12, he changed an entire list of guns and had a changelog on the forums.
And even if I am imagining seeing a thread which I didn't, what your saying only reinforces my statement that if era cant change guns without backlash then how can iera with 20x the playerbase

Sam, man up. Do you not think that every mmo has this problem? That people in a different mmo out there somewhere just accept balance changes? For the sake of iEra's future, I urge you to get this situation under control. Yes, the community has a minimal say in it, but at the end of the day it's your job to keep weapons balanced, and you can't let whiney players get in the way of you doing your job.

The whiney players are the majority. You can't pass new laws by having one person ignore everyone else, it has to the majority of people.
You cannot say I just have to 'man up' when I have already told you that not only is it the majority that gets the most say but because they have spent so much real money it's probably illegal to completely change the guns stats as planned until they are the ones who decide they want balance.
If you want this to change, when people are asking for buffs or nerfs, or saying a nerf was unjust, instead of staying silent and posting nothing support the changes so that more people do aswell. Like I already said again, nothing will change until the player mindsets do, there is an extent to how much things can change when 80% don't like it which is why nothing major has really happened in the 3-4 years this game has been out

the donghae family stands strong!!!

smh just make a flak cannon on iera to compensate

Changes like clip from 30 to 28. That's not even a change at all, that's like a tweak.

28/3 is like 9.33-
AA12 is like the silent bulldozer of P.K.!

losing two bullets isn't losing 9.33 bullets.

Shiiiiiiit son. Put your god damn foot in the ground and say enough is enough. You want balanced weapons. This is the type of crap required to make balanced weapons. If you dont like it, sell it or dont use it anymore or quit playing the game. If you stick around youre sending out the message that its ok to do this stuff. I know you cant do this type of stuff with the bar and stuff cause they are real money being payed here for the most part. But with the flamethrower since its free yea take a stand. Tell snk to **** off and let you do what you were hired to do.

Dont listen to the backlash. 89% of people are retarted n ****.

This guys words of wisdom got me dumbfounded. Seriously tell snk to **** off. Hes not doing **** but being a fairy. Hes the worst manager ever for one he cant release an update on time at all hes lazy as ****.

Sorry, but the iEra community is, by far and away, the most bitchy and whiny community I've ever had the displeasure of witnessing - this coming from someone that browses League forums, which is infinitely harder to balance than a 2D iOS "shooter" that looks and plays like it was developed in 1980.

However, despite the younger target demographic, after reading this thread and sniffing around looking at staff-player interaction on EGo, I now feel like it's completely justified and the players are no longer at fault. If I had ever actually played this game, I sure as hell would be pissed off at the faulty administration and the way the higher-ups run the staff team like puppets. Staff in Graal has always been a spotty subject with claims of favoritism and questionable management, but this is just ridiculous.