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Shiz 02-08-2015 02:38 AM

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Posted by Alpho (Post 539453)

My personal completion goal is Saturday, February 7th. Though, please don't expect it to be released then, there will still be polishing to do, but that won't take too long.

^^.
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Posted by Lazerlatte (Post 540126)
So no map expansion today then?


Vladamir Blackthorne 02-08-2015 03:19 AM

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Posted by ShizGodsu (Post 540129)
^^.

I know he said it might not come today. But I was just confirming if it isn't just coming later tonight.

Brick 02-08-2015 03:45 AM

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Posted by Lazerlatte (Post 540133)
I know he said it might not come today. But I was just confirming if it isn't just coming later tonight.

You should just wait and find out! :D

Vladamir Blackthorne 02-08-2015 03:58 AM

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Posted by Brick (Post 540142)
You should just wait and find out! :D

I should've just waited anyways. Alpho said his PERSONAL goal was today. Should've took that as "after Saturday" instead. He's a huge perfectionist, which although is a bit annoying (I can just imagine him cringing constantly at his own work) is not a bad thing at all.

Itkitt321 02-08-2015 05:20 AM

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Posted by ShizGodsu (Post 537316)
Just some of my ideas:

- Since the new expansion will introduce new images (mushrooms, trees, etc.)
this should be be included in a new furniture shop.

- Should have a new shop where you can buy new house packs (that are like grassy).

- Can craft new foods from the new plants being introduced.

- Outside base? Could be like a maze made out of bushes. Multiple entrances leading to the vault.

Make the oasis a place for peace not war please?

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Posted by Alpho (Post 538786)
Another little teaser :)

http://i.imgur.com/9inME8e.png

Edit: Yes, you can pick up / destroy the bushes.
Also, the flowers move randomly and they also move when you walk over them. Same for the mushrooms. The trees also shake when you chop at them and fall when they die.

Omg looks awesome :O Please stop putting more photo, I or we wanna be suprised! :D :love:

Lafez 02-08-2015 10:50 AM

Alright please do not ask for realize date in my opinion. Now alpho posted that he's own goal was to get it done at saturday. I bet alpha will realese it really soon. This won't be as country side do not worry guys:)

Alpho 02-08-2015 10:00 PM

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Posted by Lazerlatte (Post 540146)
I should've just waited anyways. Alpho said his PERSONAL goal was today. Should've took that as "after Saturday" instead. He's a huge perfectionist, which although is a bit annoying (I can just imagine him cringing constantly at his own work) is not a bad thing at all.

That's completely true, ask any member of the Ol'West team - I'm always redoing my work until I personally accept it, which can be annoying but it's worth it. I didn't finish by my personal goal, though I'm doing the polishing alongside finishing everything so it will be done soon, I promise. (Not the soon you guys are used to where it's pushed back months either, don't worry):love::love:

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Posted by Itkitt321 (Post 540166)
Make the oasis a place for peace not war please?

I already plan on making the entire place no-pk

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Posted by Itkitt321 (Post 540166)
Omg looks awesome :O Please stop putting more photo, I or we wanna be suprised! :D :love:

I won't tease anymore since it's so close to release. Just be patient please.

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Posted by Lafez (Post 540193)
Alright please do not ask for realize date in my opinion. Now alpho posted that he's own goal was to get it done at saturday. I bet alpha will realese it really soon. This won't be as country side do not worry guys:)

Yep :)

Alpho 02-09-2015 10:29 PM

Ok ok, I want to share a quick preview because I like this area so much! Say hello to Evergreen Trees!
http://i.imgur.com/My1spKz.jpg
Note:The path on the left that goes under the bridge isn't done being detailed.

Tricxta 02-09-2015 10:35 PM

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Posted by Alpho (Post 540444)
Ok ok, I want to share a quick preview because I like this area so much! Say hello to Evergreen Trees!
http://i.imgur.com/My1spKz.jpg
Note:The path on the left that goes under the bridge isn't done being detailed.

That looks really nice, still a shame about those cliff tiles though. I take it you intend to release with those exact tiles given it's this late in development?

Shiz 02-09-2015 10:38 PM

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Posted by Tricxta (Post 540446)
That looks really nice, still a shame about those cliff tiles though. I take it you intend to release with those exact tiles given it's this late in development?

You know. I really agree with you on the tiles. I was supposed to have these replaced (as well as a few other tiles) But I've been seriously busy the last two weeks and haven't even had time to do anything.

However, I do believe one of our GFX Staff, Merp, made a new cliff tile, but I think they can be improved a bit. Although I'm with you on this. A clean tileset is probably the most important thing for players.

Question about the trees: Since I'm assuming that we're introducing woodcutting, Alpho, does this mean if a player wanted to then they could chop down ALL of those trees and they disappear? Like completely?(They still respawn, I'm just asking if we can clear a path and actually walk through it or something.) Or will they be like the rocks and just look chopped up until they respawn.

Alpho 02-09-2015 10:41 PM

Also, to all of you who saw the hoods Shiz and I were teasing, they'll all be for sale in Oasis :) Already have the shop all set up.

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Posted by Tricxta (Post 540446)
That looks really nice

Thanks :) The tree graphics were made by Doude.

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Posted by Tricxta (Post 540446)
still a shame about those cliff tiles though. I take it you intend to release with those exact tiles given it's this late in development?

If somebody can donate or make us some new cliff tiles, I would be more than happy to add them in and replace the current ones. It would be easy to just use addtiledef2 to overwrite the current ones, so it doesn't matter how late in development Oasis is.

I really would like darker brown rocky cliffs, seems it would suit the area better.

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Posted by ShizGodsu (Post 540447)
However, I do believe one of our GFX Staff, Merp, made a new cliff tile, but I think they can be improved a bit. Although I'm with you on this. A clean tileset is probably the most important thing for players.

Link me those cliff tiles and I'll send them to Doude if someone else can't finish them.

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Posted by ShizGodsu (Post 540447)
Question about the trees: Since I'm assuming that we're introducing woodcutting, Alpho, does this mean if a player wanted to then they could chop down ALL of those trees and they disappear? Like completely? Or will they be like the rocks and just look chopped up until they respawn.

Yeah, all of the trees are able to be cut down. When they're cut, a stump is in it's place. Then, after 20 seconds or so, the tree grows back. (All of this is already coded and ready to go).

Shiz 02-09-2015 10:47 PM

Sweet! Sounds neato'! Actually, @ Alpho I do have a set of cliff tiles on my PC (shown you before.) Not entirely sure how long it will be until my computer is back from repairs. So my idea is pretty much useless until then, sadly. :[

If you want the tiles Merp made then you'd need to contact him. He would need to recolor them as well.

Excited for the update! Props to you man.

Alpho 02-09-2015 10:49 PM

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Posted by ShizGodsu (Post 540455)
Sweet! Sounds neato'! Actually, @ Alpho I do have a set of cliff tiles on my PC (shown you before.) Not entirely sure how long it will be until my computer is back from repairs. So my idea is pretty much useless until then, sadly. :[

If you want the tiles Merp made then you'd need to contact him. He would need to recolor them as well.

Excited for the update! Props to you man.

Ok :D. I'll contact Merp.
BTW, check Skype when you can please (Skype Team chat and Skype PM)

MattKan 02-09-2015 11:59 PM

I think a lot of the graphics are very inconsistent, but I admire the effort

Shiz 02-10-2015 12:03 AM

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Posted by MattKan (Post 540473)
I think a lot of the graphics are very inconsistent, but I admire the effort

Really? Most of the outside things were made by Doude. I think it all fits together nicely. :(

Aside from the cliffs. Gotta throwem' out soon.

Also: Do the trees have mobs that spawn when someone is afk for a certain amount of time? Just like we do in mining @ Alpho.

Belak 02-10-2015 12:46 AM

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Posted by ShizGodsu (Post 540474)
Really? Most of the outside things were made by Doude. I think it all fits together nicely. :(

Aside from the cliffs. Gotta throwem' out soon.

Also: Do the trees have mobs that spawn when someone is afk for a certain amount of time? Just like we do in mining @ Alpho.

Lol Tree ents :) O.o

Lafez 02-10-2015 08:01 AM

Do you need new clifs or a change of the current ones?

Tricxta 02-10-2015 09:29 AM

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Posted by Lafez (Post 540537)
Do you need new clifs or a change of the current ones?

It should be obvious that the style of which are the cliffs are drawn is inconsistent with the rest of the graphics lacking both dimension and stronger outlines.

Alpho 02-10-2015 10:09 AM

How's this for cliffs? :) Made by Doude for Ol'West.
http://i.imgur.com/qBoI7XI.png
Note: Still getting the side + top views made

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Posted by ShizGodsu (Post 540474)
Also: Do the trees have mobs that spawn when someone is afk for a certain amount of time? Just like we do in mining @ Alpho.

They don't currently, but I plan to implement something like that before release yeah.

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Posted by MattKan (Post 540473)
I think a lot of the graphics are very inconsistent, but I admire the effort

Thanks. Hopefully updating these cliffs will make it a lot better. What else could be done?

Lafez 02-10-2015 10:27 AM

The cliffs are nice but i do not like the end of them seems a bit weird when it gets so plain

Will there be rain in the woods sometimes thought it would be a cool effect as it makes it more real and also when the rain stops there should be rainbows around hehe i like rainbows

Alpho 02-10-2015 10:33 AM

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Posted by Lafez (Post 540548)
The cliffs are nice but i do not like the end of them seems a bit weird when it gets so plain

Will there be rain in the woods sometimes thought it would be a cool effect as it makes it more real and also when the rain stops there should be rainbows around hehe i like rainbows

I added a few tests with the cliffs and it looks excellent with everything else, I will post some pictures soon.

That's a great idea:) If this is done, it would be after release. It could be something more detailed too where there's dust storms and sunniness in the sandy areas, more rain in the grass areas, etc.

Shiz 02-10-2015 10:45 AM

Cliffs remind me of the ones on my PC! Perfect! Good job on this. :)

Aside from Grassy Map, don't really see a lot of suggestions for gang points.

Lafez 02-10-2015 11:51 AM

Yeah alpho i like that!!!! Would be really cool!

Belak 02-10-2015 12:55 PM

So you want suggestions O.o

For the gang points well here's a list
1) Gang spar win give you x amount of points depending on how meny vs how meny.( if you beat the odds like 2v4 you get more points)

2)Gang control over bases

3) Should be able to control the train:)

Now the shop

1) The gang shop should sell weapon skins be able get furniture (mainly vanity). Special Gang mounts that hold multiple people like a wagon(holds 4 people)

Alpho 02-10-2015 10:00 PM

http://i.imgur.com/s5XEteQ.png

Railroad through the forest :)

Belak 02-10-2015 10:09 PM

Alpho i think you might need some more evergreen trees cuase you definitly dont have enough..........:p

Shiz 02-10-2015 10:14 PM

That looks amazing. I'm actually glad we have a grassy part of the map now. Gives you time away from all the sand!

Alpho 02-10-2015 10:21 PM

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Posted by Belak (Post 540647)
Alpho i think you might need some more evergreen trees cuase you definitly dont have enough..........:p

I actually have other trees that I haven't even placed on the map yet. Would it be weird if I put crystal and fossil trees in a cave? :o

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Posted by ShizGodsu (Post 540648)
That looks amazing. I'm actually glad we have a grassy part of the map now. Gives you time away from all the sand!

Yeah :D

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Posted by Belak (Post 540571)
So you want suggestions O.o

For the gang points well here's a list
1) Gang spar win give you x amount of points depending on how meny vs how meny.( if you beat the odds like 2v4 you get more points)

2)Gang control over bases

3) Should be able to control the train:)

Now the shop

1) The gang shop should sell weapon skins be able get furniture (mainly vanity). Special Gang mounts that hold multiple people like a wagon(holds 4 people)

Sweet :) Based on everyone's ideas, we'll be adding gang points and the gang shop after the release of Oasis. It'll be in a tent at the top left corner of the map.
Right here:
http://i.imgur.com/hbeL77b.png

John. 02-10-2015 10:38 PM

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Posted by Alpho (Post 540650)
Sweet :) Based on everyone's ideas, we'll be adding gang points and the gang shop after the release of Oasis. It'll be in a tent at the top left corner of the map.
Right here:)
http://i.imgur.com/hbeL77b.png

How will gangs and Gang points work?

Shiz 02-10-2015 10:42 PM

Just a few ideas I came up with.

I was wondering if we could add a "Gang Inventory?"
It could be located where the Hours/Members/and News are. I was thinking it could be just like the player inventory (click the button, and it shows all your items) but for the gang.

So let's say your gang has 500 gang points from basing. When you click the gang inventory, it will show all your items including the 500 gang points you guys have in stock. Now, the leader will be the ONLY one who can purchase items. Once he/she purchases an item from the gang shop, it will then show up in the gang inventory for all members of that gang to temporarily use until the leave the gang. Once you leave the gang then you will not be able to use that item anymore.

Also, to prevent abusing leaders and them spending gang currency, there should be a voting system. Not sure how this would work but it could be something along the line of the leader tapping on the item and clicking a tab that says "Voting!" Once the leader sees what the members want to that item then they can either buy it or move on to the next item.

Another thing we could add is spending gang points for an extra gang hat. Could be like a couple thousand points for one of the PREVIOUS gang hats.

Could also add an extra member slot to your gang. However, this deserves a cap since you don't want a gang with 50 slots for people, they would dominate. I was thinking of a 26 or 27 cap. One member can make a difference for your gang. We don't want this out of control.

Also, an idea for the current gang system. We need gang logs. This should be for any gang to see who has been kicked, who edited the news, changed ranks, or just joined the gang.

Possibly buying gang houses with gang points would be a neat idea too.

Now I don't think Ol' West has had any "gang wars" yet, but in the future I'm pretty sure there will be some. So in order to officially make a gang war with another gang you could spend a few points to do so? War is a pricey thing. ;) War could operate by the amount of time one gang gets compared to the other in a weeks time. So the gang that has the most gang hours in that weeks time (just that week, Sunday - Saturday, 7 days) would win the gang points total. So if a gang payed 500 GP for a war, then the other one would have to do it as well. The victor of the war would receive 1,000 GP.

John. 02-10-2015 11:52 PM

Nice ideas shiz, but I think the max cap for members should be 30. For gang houses, I think that all gang members have access to it. Instead of the leader just being able to decorate the gang house, perhaps the leader can give access to others so that they can move furniture around and decorate, but they can never remove the furniture. For gang houses, there should be a purchasable gang mine rock. You can only have one of each per gang, and it can only be placed it a gang house. The gang can work together to break it, and the whole gang can earn the exp,ores,money. This takes a long time to break though. Once broken, the gang rock will reset in 100 hours. You can change the time and rewards.

LwMark 02-11-2015 12:40 AM

We need secret and hidden areas!!!!!!!

Shiz 02-11-2015 01:05 AM

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Posted by LwMark (Post 540661)
We need secret and hidden areas!!!!!!!

Ooh yes. This would be nice as well. I've noticed that a lot of players like this.

Perhaps a secret area in the trees (like if you grab a certain tree, it warps you into a new level) and in this new level you have to solve a certain amount of riddles. Once passed you can get a cool hat. :P

LwMark 02-11-2015 01:10 AM

Only secret areas in west is the Kurza hideout but u don't really benefit from it just a hideout also the Mexican type place all the way north which has nothin in it. Also alpha should make shrinkable potions that Will shrink u and then u can enter small hidden places to get to secret areas, similar to rat morph in iclassic

Alpho 02-11-2015 02:43 AM

I've added the levels and graphics for Oasis to the main server and it's all visible to the public now. I put a fence around everything and warps all throughout the fenced off area though so you sneaky kids don't glitch in, or whatever magic tricks y'all are using now'a'days!

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Posted by LwMark (Post 540661)
We need secret and hidden areas!!!!!!!

I've already added a few :)

Tricxta 02-11-2015 02:56 AM

Not sure what's up but there seems to be what might perhaps be a layers issue with the fb client with the new area?
http://i.imgur.com/K453Qtx.png

Alpho 02-11-2015 02:58 AM

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Posted by Tricxta (Post 540694)
Not sure what's up but there seems to be what might perhaps be a layers issue with the fb client with the new area?
http://i.imgur.com/K453Qtx.png

Whenever we use addtiledef2 with the Facebook client, that is the result. It's not an Ol'West problem, it's a Facebook/flash client problem. I'm not sure what's causing it. Probably loading the images incorrectly (Thats what tiles look like when you place transparent ones usually).

LwMark 02-11-2015 03:06 AM

When you go through it says "i shouldn't be in here".http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...57472377a1.jpg

Alpho 02-11-2015 03:14 AM

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Posted by LwMark (Post 540698)
When you go through it says "i shouldn't be in here".http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...57472377a1.jpg

Yep. You guys and your magic tricks.

Shiz 02-11-2015 03:17 AM

The map should be updated as well so it's updated to the gmap.

Also, new jobs should be added to the guide.

Vladamir Blackthorne 02-11-2015 04:18 AM

So it's almost done, enough to add it with a big fence around it to tease us eh?

Lol, anyway, does this perhaps mean from this point until the end of the week we can go in?

LwMark 02-11-2015 06:11 AM

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...d9a92f7940.jpg

Lafez 02-11-2015 06:55 AM

Love it alpho amazing job cant wait:)

LwMark 02-11-2015 06:56 AM

I thought we can pick up the bushes

Lafez 02-11-2015 07:09 AM

If you go to right of map you can go on some of the tiles and see the trees:) if you want to feel how its like i love it

Shiz 02-11-2015 11:51 AM

Gypsum cave seems to be bugged when you exit the cave.
Also the Mortuary building is bugged when you exit it. I have a feeling quite a few buildings that were moved are like this.

It also seems that the valentine decorations at start were removed because of the map update.

Gonna post my ideas again:
Spoiler

I was wondering if we could add a "Gang Inventory?"
It could be located where the Hours/Members/and News are. I was thinking it could be just like the player inventory (click the button, and it shows all your items) but for the gang.

So let's say your gang has 500 gang points from basing. When you click the gang inventory, it will show all your items including the 500 gang points you guys have in stock. Now, the leader will be the ONLY one who can purchase items. Once he/she purchases an item from the gang shop, it will then show up in the gang inventory for all members of that gang to temporarily use until the leave the gang. Once you leave the gang then you will not be able to use that item anymore.

Also, to prevent abusing leaders and them spending gang currency, there should be a voting system. Not sure how this would work but it could be something along the line of the leader tapping on the item and clicking a tab that says "Voting!" Once the leader sees what the members want to that item then they can either buy it or move on to the next item.

Another thing we could add is spending gang points for an extra gang hat. Could be like a couple thousand points for one of the PREVIOUS gang hats.

Could also add an extra member slot to your gang. However, this deserves a cap since you don't want a gang with 50 slots for people, they would dominate. I was thinking of a 26 or 27 cap. One member can make a difference for your gang. We don't want this out of control.

Also, an idea for the current gang system. We need gang logs. This should be for any gang to see who has been kicked, who edited the news, changed ranks, or just joined the gang.

Possibly buying gang houses with gang points would be a neat idea too.

Now I don't think Ol' West has had any "gang wars" yet, but in the future I'm pretty sure there will be some. So in order to officially make a gang war with another gang you could spend a few points to do so? War is a pricey thing. ;) War could operate by the amount of time one gang gets compared to the other in a weeks time. So the gang that has the most gang hours in that weeks time (just that week, Sunday - Saturday, 7 days) would win the gang points total. So if a gang payed 500 GP for a war, then the other one would have to do it as well. The victor of the war would receive 1,000 GP.


EDIT: Seems the above was fixed. I've noticed some really plain areas of sand (where it's just sand, no rocks, plants, or anything.) Was thinking this could be fixed last.

Alpho 02-12-2015 03:44 AM

http://i.imgur.com/MBoWzAm.png

Vladamir Blackthorne 02-12-2015 03:56 AM

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Posted by Alpho (Post 540882)

Looks good

And pardon me if this makes me seem impatient, but is Oasis going to release tonight/tomorrow? I'm starting to get burnt out on sparring.

Wolfie 02-12-2015 04:21 AM

Would love it if you add some secret places that takes forever to find the password to enter. Idc if there's a prize or not but I just enjoy searching for passwords and secret places.

Lafez 02-12-2015 05:33 AM

Be patience i can tell very very soon:)


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