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Rozen S 04-09-2015 02:21 AM

what happened to just being a guy or a girl :(

MrSimons 04-09-2015 02:37 AM

Lets be serious guys, a person's gender is not something to joke about and it can take years for them to find their true gender, and not whatever meaningless garbage the patriarchy assigned to them at birth. Let me repeat this, just because you have the biological and physical features of a male does not mean you are a male, and to imply such things would be very ignorant. While I think it is great to finally see websites and games introducing the "other" option for gender, it is a very small step in the right direction. I mean seriously, that would be like when selecting your country it just said "United States" and "Other", which is incredibly discriminatory to people who do not live in the US.

Take a look at the list of country's google supplies you when selecting your country...
http://gyazo.com/8f9c6ae7acfa71d803c4baf6a599cb6c.png
Now take a look at your gender options...
http://gyazo.com/163c8bed309ce3e8c6e058941a87446e.png
Not only is this offensive because it just throws everyone who does not identify by the two options the patriarchy has created into one big category, but it shows that no one has really taken the time to take a stand for those who do not identify by the "normal" genders laid out by society.

What I am suggesting is that more REAL genders should be shoved down the throats of the public, to open their eyes and enlighten them to the beauty that is the human mind, and how it is not simply made up by two obscure genders.

I want you to imagine a list like the one I showed you for selecting your country, where you can scroll for hours, selecting things like demigirl, agender, pangender, aliagender, cismale, dfeb, genderfluid, genderplasma, gendergas, gendersolid, nuerotrois. This is just a short list of genders, and I am sorry if I didn't list yours, I meant not to discriminate.


What I am asking, is for all you cishet ****lords out there to pull your heads out of your collective asses and open your eyes to the oppression you are causing those like us. If you are not petitioning to make a change, or wouldn't kill someone to allow us otherkin more options when selecting our gender, you should seriously die.

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Posted by Rozen S (Post 552830)
what happened to just being a guy or a girl :(

Some "disfunctionals" (as labelled by the patriarchy) opened their eyes to the madness and oppression going on in our western societies.

fsh 04-09-2015 02:43 AM

http://i.imgur.com/izmyZPU.png

Vivid 04-09-2015 02:43 AM

This is like Graal supporting the 2% of the world that's allergic to water.

Fulgore 04-09-2015 02:44 AM

There isn't any oppression, anyone who identifies as anything you listed and more has no loss of rights on this game. The reason why it's not an option is because those who identify as such are an EXTREME minority. It's the same reason why I can't list that I'm from Antarctica in many of those dropdown lists, because people who are are an extreme minority. Regardless of whether or not it's added, it's not oppression by any means. I'm fine with people doing as they please (aside from those who identify as a tree or something ridiculous like that, sorry but if that's you then you're an idiot) but those who claim they're oppressed when they clearly aren't are the people that irk me. Now in many places of the world these people may very well be oppressed, but for the most part they are not in the west, and certainly not on a game server.

Draenin 04-09-2015 02:49 AM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 552764)
Due to possible hormonal imbalances in the brain while developing in the womb, it is possible to develop GID/Gender Dysphoria.

Your body is male but your brain is messed up due to something going wrong in the process and you develop GID/Gender Dysphoria.

You seem to be in the camp that believes anything non-heteronormative should be classified as a disorder, and I'm not even going to waste time responding to that nonsense.

Kay9 04-09-2015 05:04 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 552834)
Lets be serious guys, a person's gender is not something to joke about and it can take years for them to find their true gender, and not whatever meaningless garbage the patriarchy assigned to them at birth. Let me repeat this, just because you have the biological and physical features of a male does not mean you are a male, and to imply such things would be very ignorant. While I think it is great to finally see websites and games introducing the "other" option for gender, it is a very small step in the right direction. I mean seriously, that would be like when selecting your country it just said "United States" and "Other", which is incredibly discriminatory to people who do not live in the US.

Take a look at the list of country's google supplies you when selecting your country...
http://gyazo.com/8f9c6ae7acfa71d803c4baf6a599cb6c.png
Now take a look at your gender options...
http://gyazo.com/163c8bed309ce3e8c6e058941a87446e.png
Not only is this offensive because it just throws everyone who does not identify by the two options the patriarchy has created into one big category, but it shows that no one has really taken the time to take a stand for those who do not identify by the "normal" genders laid out by society.

What I am suggesting is that more REAL genders should be shoved down the throats of the public, to open their eyes and enlighten them to the beauty that is the human mind, and how it is not simply made up by two obscure genders.

I want you to imagine a list like the one I showed you for selecting your country, where you can scroll for hours, selecting things like demigirl, agender, pangender, aliagender, cismale, dfeb, genderfluid, genderplasma, gendergas, gendersolid, nuerotrois. This is just a short list of genders, and I am sorry if I didn't list yours, I meant not to discriminate.


What I am asking, is for all you cishet ****lords out there to pull your heads out of your collective asses and open your eyes to the oppression you are causing those like us. If you are not petitioning to make a change, or wouldn't kill someone to allow us otherkin more options when selecting our gender, you should seriously die.



Some "disfunctionals" (as labelled by the patriarchy) opened their eyes to the madness and oppression going on in our western societies.

The prompt should ask about "Sex" rather than gender really lol...
The difference between countries and "Gender" is there is a significant population for each country. There is only a small percentage of people total who fit into that other category. Not sure how that equates to oppression..

MrSimons 04-09-2015 05:20 AM

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Posted by Kay9 (Post 552870)
The prompt should ask about "Sex" rather than gender really lol...
The difference between countries and "Gender" is there is a significant population for each country. There is only a small percentage of people total who fit into that other category. Not sure how that equates to oppression..

Of course you don't, you are probably a cithet male who only benefits from the oppression going on amongst those who do not identify by a binary gender.

Also yes, the US Outlying islands have a roaring population of 300 as of the 2009 census, lets not forget Tuvalu either, a large booming nation with a massive effect on the global economy. Both of these places obviously have a very large and important population, that I am absolutely sure would not match that of those who do not identify as their birth gender. So yes, go ahead and keep on oppressing others because they are a negligible statistic to you.

Kay9 04-09-2015 05:38 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 552874)
Of course you don't, you are probably a cithet male who only benefits from the oppression going on amongst those who do not identify by a binary gender.

Also yes, the US Outlying islands have a roaring population of 300 as of the 2009 census, lets not forget Tuvalu either, a large booming nation with a massive effect on the global economy. Both of these places obviously have a very large and important population, that I am absolutely sure would not match that of those who do not identify as their birth gender. So yes, go ahead and keep on oppressing others because they are a negligible statistic to you.

Still not sure how I've oppressed anyone.If you think you are something other than male or female you have the option of "Other" simple as that. A whole category for them. They are being recognized, it's a joke to call this oppression. It's not ignorance it's truth.

MrSimons 04-09-2015 05:43 AM

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Posted by Kay9 (Post 552878)
Still not sure how I've oppressed anyone.If you think you are something other than male or female you have the option of "Other" simple as that. A whole category for them. They are being recognized, it's a joke to call this oppression. It's not ignorance it's truth.

Like I said, how would you understand, you are privileged and couldn't comprehend the problems that otherkin and nonbinarys face. The level of oppression that someone suffers from having to select "other" as their gender is seriously on par with slavery.

Kay9 04-09-2015 05:44 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 552879)
Like I said, how would you understand, you are privileged and couldn't comprehend the problems that otherkin and nonbinarys face. The level of oppression that someone suffers from having to select "other" as their gender is seriously on par with slavery.

How do you know if I am privileged?
Also you are a complete buffoon if you think selecting other is anywhere near slavery.

Draenin 04-09-2015 05:56 AM

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Posted by MrSimons
The level of oppression that someone suffers from having to select "other" as their gender is seriously on par with slavery.

http://replygif.net/i/234.gif

MrSimons 04-09-2015 06:22 AM

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Posted by Kay9 (Post 552880)
How do you know if I am privileged?
Also you are a complete buffoon if you think selecting other is anywhere near slavery.

Oh I see, so this argument has come to you mindlessly assaulting me. Guess I win, oppressor. brb drinking your male tears

Sardon 04-09-2015 06:53 AM

this thread

Vivid 04-09-2015 11:50 AM

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Posted by Kay9 (Post 552880)
How do you know if I am privileged?
Also you are a complete buffoon if you think selecting other is anywhere near slavery.

i selected other and my master beat me i blame this on you.

Kay9 04-09-2015 01:37 PM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 552887)
Oh I see, so this argument has come to you mindlessly assaulting me. Guess I win, oppressor. brb drinking your male tears

k den.. Guess I will continue to oppress by adding an other button to everything.

Nabu Lapse 04-09-2015 02:27 PM

I've never seen people take such a silly and ridiculous topic so seriously.

Ghettoicedtea 04-09-2015 03:00 PM

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Posted by Nabu Lapse (Post 552948)
I've never seen people take such a silly and ridiculous topic so seriously.

Lmao go on tumblr. This type of stuff everywhere.

Admiral 04-09-2015 04:15 PM

probably will bite me later but am I only the one that finds the situation of 'what gender are you?' 'I'm genderplasma' kinda funny

Sardon 04-09-2015 05:59 PM

This threads about people who think were in the early 20th century
and think they need to fight for rights they already have
Gawd chill
U got a make organs or female ones
If you find someone with another kind of thing Tell me and maybe I might put a rock,teacup and bird Type aswell

Cookie Xanadu 04-09-2015 06:33 PM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 552879)
Like I said, how would you understand, you are privileged and couldn't comprehend the problems that otherkin and nonbinarys face. The level of oppression that someone suffers from having to select "other" as their gender is seriously on par with slavery.

I feel like Simons is just messing with everybody.

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Posted by Draenin (Post 552841)
You seem to be in the camp that believes anything non-heteronormative should be classified as a disorder, and I'm not even going to waste time responding to that nonsense.

Well I'm sorry that I think a small number of isolated cases in the span of a good century or more is grounds for a disorder.

MrSimons 04-10-2015 02:47 AM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 552990)
I feel like Simons is just messing with everybody.

I am not. I take the topic of gender very seriously and I expect all the other preteen delinquents here to do the same, maybe they will open their eyes to their true non binary gender like I did. Through the enlightenment process I discovered I was not male, but a demigirl agender (half girl, half nothing. for you filthy arrogant cishet ****lords out there).

Draenin 04-10-2015 02:49 AM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 552990)
Well I'm sorry that I think a small number of isolated cases in the span of a good century or more is grounds for a disorder.

If you've been to certain websites on the internet, you'll know that there's more than just a few people who fit into these categories.

Thinking someone else has a disorder if they're not just like you has led to a lot of really sad and terrible situations for a lot of people. And really, it's just going to make you angry and bitter about something that you can't change and isn't your business to begin with. None of this is going away, so deal with it.

5hift 04-10-2015 04:13 AM

How is this crap still burning?

Multipas* 04-10-2015 08:03 AM

Please implement the stuff I wanted on the very first post. Just a lil gray circle with the word Other underneath in the gender options. And add darker skinned heads than there are now in the basic head choices in the free version of olwest

Cookie Xanadu 04-10-2015 08:00 PM

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Posted by Draenin (Post 553104)
If you've been to certain websites on the internet, you'll know that there's more than just a few people who fit into these categories.

Thinking someone else has a disorder if they're not just like you has led to a lot of really sad and terrible situations for a lot of people. And really, it's just going to make you angry and bitter about something that you can't change and isn't your business to begin with. None of this is going away, so deal with it.

It's still a staggeringly small minority compared to the populace with normal mental health, even when compared to the past century or beyond. There's no point in doing extra work to cater to the small batch of people it'd affect.

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Please implement the stuff I wanted on the very first post. Just a lil gray circle with the word Other underneath in the gender options. And add darker skinned heads than there are now in the basic head choices in the free version of olwest
There aren't many black heads to begin and from what I've seen, they're all heads that have been on Graal for years, so you're going to have to make your own or get someone to make them, because the majority of people that do make heads seem to prefer white, peach, yellow or animal heads

MrSimons 04-11-2015 04:58 AM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 553228)
It's still a staggeringly small minority compared to the populace with normal mental health, even when compared to the past century or beyond. There's no point in doing extra work to cater to the small batch of people it'd affect.

If by extra work do you mean, include the option "other" in gender selections. Because that sounds like something that could take months to add to a site. I seriously do not know where any organization to could find the manpower to get that done. I absolutely agree, it is best we don't waste our time attempting to find ways that a third option could be added to a list of genders, that could require redesigning the entire website, or maybe even reworking how computers even function. What brave soul would even attempt such a feat, do these people here realize that the word "other" includes five letters, we might as well just include a hand written copy of the Holy Bible with every gender selection if we are going to be doing all that work.

I do not believe we could ever find the time or recourses to add an "other" option to gender selections.

Also, as OP requested, I have made a darker skinned head so that People of Color are able to play graal now. I don't understand how we went so long not realizing that we hadn't made any black heads, its no wonder there are so few People of Color on Graal, how were they supposed to play if they can't have a black head.

http://gyazo.com/cc1697bf028d051e30de8587c40bbeaf.png

Multipas* 04-11-2015 05:45 AM

It's about representation and accessability. Two things that have been distorted twisted manipulated and conspired on for a long time

Seņor Albonio 04-11-2015 08:34 AM

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Posted by Multipas* (Post 553325)
It's about representation and accessability. Two things that have been distorted twisted manipulated and conspired on for a long time

Up until like a 100 years ago.

Matthew 04-11-2015 12:08 PM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 553228)
There's no point in doing extra work to cater to the small batch of people it'd affect.

I think this is by far the most cogent point here. The development team are already so incredibly overworked that they can't take any time to focus on something like this. Does anyone have ANY idea the amount of effort it takes to add one single solitary string of code to add one more option to a drop down menu?

Besides, PC-Graal had a third option in profiles. Some of you who played will remember the uproar that used to cause. For ages there were threads on the OGCC demanding the third option to be removed. It created such an unnecessary divide in the community as well. Those who chose the ''unknown'' option in their profile were routinely shamed as being mentally ill. I think two players committed suicide over it. So yes, a 3rd option is not worth the effort or headaches that would arise. It wouldn't be the same game anymore.

xXziroXx 04-11-2015 01:08 PM

Such trolling, much wow.

Crono 04-11-2015 05:03 PM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 553316)
I don't understand how we went so long not realizing that we hadn't made any black heads, its no wonder there are so few People of Color on Graal, how were they supposed to play if they can't have a black head.

I know you're joking around but there's actually a pretty neat history behind black Graalians and how they represented themselves early on vs mid 2000s. Neo Jenova is a ****ing legend.

Zetectic 04-11-2015 05:39 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 553386)
I know you're joking around but there's actually a pretty neat history behind black Graalians and how they represented themselves early on vs mid 2000s. Neo Jenova is a ****ing legend.

****!! I wanna see that Neo Jenova dude so bad. How is he so well respected among every pc sparrers and became a legend? Its like as almost if you guys are all worshipping him.

$tatic 04-11-2015 06:16 PM

the other gender option= holocaust+slavery+pushing a bus full of toddlers and kittens off a bridge

GOAT 04-12-2015 12:19 AM

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 553391)
****!! I wanna see that Neo Jenova dude so bad. How is he so well respected among every pc sparrers and became a legend? Its like as almost if you guys are all worshipping him.

lol

Zetectic 04-12-2015 01:55 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 553463)
lol

dude srsly. he doesnt even play iclassic and i think thallen told me that he quitted 3 years ago and he's mentioned by sparrers every month.
hes like a kim jung un figure in this game. why dont u put a npc of neojenova in iclassic then?

Sir 04-12-2015 02:55 AM

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

GOAT 04-14-2015 07:33 AM

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 553480)
dude srsly. he doesnt even play iclassic and i think thallen told me that he quitted 3 years ago and he's mentioned by sparrers every month.
hes like a kim jung un figure in this game. why dont u put a npc of neojenova in iclassic then?

I think he won a mix tournament in iClassic with Demigod(pretty much the US team minus rufus), but I'm not sure. Thallen idolizes Brett, so I would say seeing him is almost like seeing neojenova.

Vivid 04-16-2015 02:17 PM

I have a solution to all this. Don't online date.

Taru 04-16-2015 08:58 PM

who says you need to display yourself in graal?
if that would be true there should be wheelchairs for people that are handicapped
and u should demand customs for free since u dont look like a dude with only a stripe of hair on ur head when u know what i mean.
No one ever demanded to show what u are in RL and if ur "other" gender then just put it in your status.

Cookie Xanadu 04-16-2015 10:02 PM

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Posted by Vivid (Post 554418)
I have a solution to all this. Don't online date.

So... Hitler was right?

Taru 04-16-2015 10:17 PM

how you relate this with hitler ?

as i know internet is up since 2000 or smthing

5hift 04-17-2015 12:12 AM

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Posted by Taru (Post 554502)
who says you need to display yourself in graal?
if that would be true there should be wheelchairs for people that are handicapped
and u should demand customs for free since u dont look like a dude with only a stripe of hair on ur head when u know what i mean.
No one ever demanded to show what u are in RL and if ur "other" gender then just put it in your status.

BINGO, WE'VE GOT A WINNER FOLKS.

This is exactly what I was trying to say.

There is no need to go overboard and create more stupid personal options, this isn't Facebook for ****s sake.

Ironically, you can play Graal from Facebook.

So I guess the solution to this ******ed problem would be to play Graal on Facebook.

MrSimons 04-17-2015 12:14 AM

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Posted by Vivid (Post 554418)
I have a solution to all this. Don't online date.

what does dating have to do with gender?

Common Sense 04-17-2015 01:35 AM

The oligarchy is forcing us to choose a gender how could we have not seen it ??? Please make this ASAP I need it??! wtf?!

Multiplas, you are giving so much "reasoning" as to why you want this added, I'm pretty sure you just want it so you can catfish a bunch of people and you don't want to always have to change your gender to male/female in order to do so.

Status: "My gender is "other" because I'm still trying to find myself...oh yeah KIK me if you want dirty chat but you have to tell me what gender you are first"

Asaiki 04-17-2015 12:56 PM

I really wished the Nazi won the battle, why? no stupidity.
sarcasma dahwdjashdaf

5hift 04-17-2015 02:02 PM

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Posted by Asaiki (Post 554650)
I really wished the Nazi won the battle, why? no stupidity.
sarcasma dahwdjashdaf

Spoken with true stupidity.

sarcasma dahwdjashdaf

Taru 04-17-2015 02:17 PM

the Nazi doesnt have anything to do with it i think its more the catholic religion or the jewish they were the ppl that were against these stuff , the muslims are a pretty new religion and they are against it also.

and as my expierence is most ppl attempt to be against the rules or being something Special even when its not really there just look at these 13-15 years old kids and saying there Homosexual ? like how the tf they wanna know which sexuality they have even when they never had any sexual expierence. They're mostly just seeking attention or wanna go with a flow in my opinion.

and tbh im against this homosexual stuff or genderbender thing like God has choosen u be a boy so love a girl that is what u made for and nothing else.

Seņor Albonio 04-17-2015 03:09 PM

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Posted by Taru (Post 554657)
the Nazi doesnt have anything to do with it i think its more the catholic religion or the jewish they were the ppl that were against these stuff , the muslims are a pretty new religion and they are against it also.

and as my expierence is most ppl attempt to be against the rules or being something Special even when its not really there just look at these 13-15 years old kids and saying there Homosexual ? like how the tf they wanna know which sexuality they have even when they never had any sexual expierence. They're mostly just seeking attention or wanna go with a flow in my opinion.

and tbh im against this homosexual stuff or genderbender thing like God has choosen u be a boy so love a girl that is what u made for and nothing else.

If we still had -rep I would've done that to you.
1. Blaming jews
2. Believing there's a magic man in the sky
3. Against homosexuality (which you brought up, I might add.)

Grow up.

Taru 04-17-2015 03:21 PM

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Posted by Seņor Albonio (Post 554670)
If we still had -rep I would've done that to you.
1. Blaming jews
2. Believing there's a magic man in the sky
3. Against homosexuality (which you brought up, I might add.)

Grow up.

Right away i would have u -rep too

1.i listed all abraham based religions dont focus on jews

2.isnt it up to me what i belive? (who also says he lives in the sky?)

3.Im not allowed to have my own opinion?
(dont come with arent homos allowed to have their own opinion, yes they are but its really against the nature imo well people like being against the rules and that its why )


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