I believe Qes thinks that in order to be competitive you must think you're the best and express you're the best no matter if its the truth or not

Everyone who becomes the best always told themselves they were the best, so he wouldn't be far off.

But here's a fun fact for Qes who mentioned Warhawk (WH). Around 2006-2007 WH used to run around UN saying he was the best at sparring in the spar room with a BTK tag on. I begged Hardkore (HK) to let me kick him cause he made us look bad. HK wouldn't let me, so eventually I said if he is going to stay in he had to agree to get trained by me and other leaders on how to spar. Back then ratings were 1100 for the low and 2100 for the high. WH had 1450-1550.

Graal has been around for quite sometime, in fact it's one of the very first mmorpgs that was graphic based, ever. There have been many great and talented people at sparring that none of us might have heard of who are equally or possibly better than some people we think are bests. It's all opinions it doesn't matter, just try hard and spar if you want but remember to try to have fun and enjoy it too, with others. =p

Just what classic needs, more tryhards :D:D:D:D:D:D

#barelytries>all

My thoughts: what is riches and skill with no one to share it with?

Omg this made me die laughing. I was just qes at the time. So Your right I did tell you that, I told everybody that.
In 2009 I played as Spider-Man and I went on to become co leader, then leader of DoT.
My reputation was great as Spider-man I was very young and friendly and just happy to be apart of the spar community sucking up to people who were better than me.
Than in late 2011 I made an account called Qes (secretly) on this account I sparred all day telling people I'm a new (lie, I was Spider-Man, so I've been playing already for over a year) and once I was known for being really good in the spar community, I raged about how I was the greatest because for awhile a lot of people did regard me as one of the greatest in early 2012 when I was 4k-1500 and I was an offensive sparring beast. But I got too cocky, and after awhile my skill declined. In early 2013 Klayton(Ruthless) found out I was qes and Spider-Man and then I admitted it to the sparring community.

So to answer your question with much evidence, I've been here since the week the app came out. And I lied to everybody on my Qes account to troll an start a new guild(ruthless)/ identity(qes)

You ended up kicking everyone, Im surprised you didnt catch on to the fact it was a troll, also everything I said made sense, you were in large denial of it regardless of it being true or not which lead you to say "That makes no sense" But its okay I was trolling, it was successful, bottom line I beat you in a series, it was fun, then you had to say those lines and I was told "yo you should troll him, he gets mad easy". :unsure: I'm pretty sure you of all people wouldn't wait for anyone who was winning to unfreeze, seeing how you hit me twice the two times I froze the first time.

I believe there was a thread based on a new towering system eventually being added.

Enlightenment
((From what i saw, hope theres some OG idev out there to vouch))
2009- short period, no guilds yet, mainly pking with {clans} in our names, everybody was exploring the small graal server because it was entirely new to us.
2010- new things always being released, houses, guild houses, guilds, towers, alliances, spar hats, ect.
everybody was generally so busy that they didn't have time to dwell on anything. SO much fun for us newbies. The spar life in 2010? Was to C-spar and wreck the 60+ noobs in the battle area. Back then it was all about siber, shinta, kevin91, ryo.. ect. 2010 was dominated by Japanese sparrers aswell, slight delay(not bad to rage about) + insane defensive skill. Then there was a whole different community of guild sparrers in 2010 in swamp, like frosty(fro), myself, killman, and ect. Guilds like SiB, Anubis, really dominated spar. While there were guild sparring guilds such as DoT.
2011- Age of Guild Spar and New techniques
People began advancing skills in spar, more prediction skills, a great time for spar where everybody was learning fundamental things.
2012- the Most intense period in my opinion.
2012 was a period where a **** ton of good sparrers really reached their peak at the same time, and comyt lead the leaderboards. He set an example for us, to be competitive and ruthless. SO many good sparrers had balls, and were trying to prove to everybody else that they were the best. Then PCs came which added even more frustration and the spar areana was a huge battle zone of people challenging eachother, and wanting respect. GST added to the crazyness of it all, but on the off seasons everybody still 1vs1'd alot trying to be top dog.
2013- GST became the only thing people cared about.
Many good idev sparrers quit or went inactive. Most of them only to log on for the gst, which was changed to every season, not month, which caused the spar activity to die. And the new players joining graal after 2013, did not show the same interest in the spar community as most players did in 2011/2012.
To me, I've just seen a slow decline in competitive sparrers untill GST time.

No. i wanted to series you, and your VIS click had to come. When i kicked you, i just kicked your click. And i knew you were trolling and i didn't want to argue with a troll any longer so i blocked and kicked u. If u want to re series ill be here, otherwise u can stay trolling idc

If it was my choice, people would be judged by their abilities to consistently win, how badly they want to win, and how often they spar. I think anybody who isn't down to spar should be seen in the community as a 'Graal City Chatting noob'. Instead our reputation is based off of how nice we are, how mature we are(on a video game), how many GSTs we win, and ect. All bs stuff in my eyes. ((not that winning a GST is bs, just thats not a big compliment to the individual, its a compliment to the guild/Team. Unless the team/guild was carried, then its an individual compliment to the people who carried the team))

I like to spar. I like to socialize.

^ + hugs.

^/longdistancehug

haha ilu hmong /longdistancehug

Im not against socializing hmong. Im against people who spend much more time socializing then they do playing the Game (pk, spar, events, ect), Unhealthy to make long distance friends all day on graal and be detached from real life. When instead you could spar for an hour, talk for 15 minutes, then log off.

You created an alternate personality based on an arachnoid superhero so that people would look at you differently. Are you sure you're in a position to judge their health and attachment?

Ha, well I picked the breast super hero xena. :love:

in 2011 i was 12/13. I thought it was cool being able to make a new account and being able to do anything you want on it. o well.

O boy

So you're saying the iDev community pre-"PC players on iClassic" were a bunch of huge assholes? I have a feeling not everyone will appreciate that. If that's not what you're saying, then you haven't answered my question yet.

Good thing It's not up to you then, Graal would be boring if I weren't allowed to use any keys other than '1' and 'v' while my chat bar is opened.

I'd like to take this seriously, but I'm too busy chuckling at how hard you're trying to dictate what people should consider fun in a video game (you've made the point that It's just a video game multiple times yourself). Make sure you PM me when you tell everyone you've been trolling the whole time so I can come read the reaction.

If more competitive, constant ruthless winners, makes them assholes than ok.

Have nothing against Socializing ((about the game)), just think as players, we should play the game by pking, events, and spar rather then sitting around all day and talking. And this is about my opinions. Im hoping to just inspire people to be more competitive in playing the game rather then talking all day. If it was up to me,everybody would have the mental drive to be the greatest in anything they do on graal. Whether its pk ( my opinion- xenthic/EP/ ect)
or Spar ( my opinion- PC: brett, thallen, jack, david, WH, colosus. Idev- Kevin91, comyt, to now.. sarah i guess.)
or guild spar (idev- killman, kentaro, fro, noss, ect)
Just wish people were more active in... competitively doing things. Don't see why its wrong for anybody to say "Hey I'm better than you, series me and I'll show you"

You take this game way too seriously lighten up and have some fun

Right now we are all socializing :D

What are cheap shots exactly

Comparing spar to the real art of the sword we now call fencing ,cheapshots simply do not exist.

Its all about looking for your opponents weakness and striking there making sure you will be well deffended when your opponent strikes back and keeping a good distance from your enemy.
I usualy use a saber so I am unfamiliar with some epei and foil technique but I know that if I was on epei and kept stabbing your arm every time you let it be vulnerable it would be kinda cheap but it is completely your fault for letting it be vulnerable and not protecting yourself.

Spar uses a saberlike sword so cheapness is not a thing , if you are repeating the same moves over again your opponent should not fail to that, they should be able to use a new stradegy and rek u.

How exactly would any hit be cheap and trashy if I am not lagging or delaying alot.

Wow, we're all "Graal City Chat noobs"!!!

sparring has been dead for years and your little poorly structured pep talks aren't going to get anyone into it. two huge problems i see: the leaderboard is god awful, and i suppose there aren't enough incentives to get people interested. the game needs at least a half-decent leaderboard (please lord save us from this one) and the equivalent of a "free pizza" sign to fat kids, whether that be "free hats" or whatever, to attract more casual sparrers (still fat kids) and get them more into it.

60k spars "fat kids" rofl

I think this right here is the root of your problem. You seem to think that anyone and everyone should be required to drop what they're doing and service you immediately when you request a spar or a series... You seem to think that sparrers that you listed, like Brett, Jack, David, Dante, and Sarah, have something to prove to you when it's actually the other way around.

It's like if Jared Cunningham were to jump off of the Cavs bench and say, "PLAY ME 1-ON-1 RIGHT NOW" to LeBron James... If you were worth sparring then people would probably spar you. Work your way up or something. Break the streak record. Win a GST. Consistently beat good sparrers. Force people to spar and acknowledge you by queuing.

At the end of the day, people are going to do what they want. If so few good sparrers are sparring, I don't see how you aren't dominating. Based on what I see on the iDevice leaderboard, it's the exact same people sparring actively and dominantly.

Lord of the badasses, Zeross the unstoppable sparring menace is a force to be reckoned with. This guy acts like he's straight out of an anime. If you have any inclination to think that he might bear the slightest grudge against you, do not even consider sparring him a single time, unless of course you have a sense of humor. If you choose to, be prepared for an onslaught of insults ranging from "wretched cur" to "worthless trash," regardless of who won the spar. For extra fun, try checking UDP and running the whole time. I guarantee it'll be worth your time. Calling this douche bag's ego overinflated does not even begin to express just what an absolute obsession he has with emulating Vegeta from Dragonball Z, except instead of being the Prince of a legendary class of elite fighters, he's playing a ****ing two-dimensional game.

Qes's spar opinions
 

I don't hate u qes but i had to laugh at that one LOL

laugh at what

Qes's spar opinions
 

What mong said just his analogies

who cares how many spars you have, "slx" rofl

Not mine yours rofl

I'd spar more if the old leaderboard was still being used. The current leaderboard is pointless, just shows who plays the most/ who is the biggest no life. The old leaderboard showed more skill and doesn't require you to sit on graal for excessive hours to be in the top 5-10. Rewards would also encourage me to spar actively and so would a leaderboard in which the top 10 qualified you into being registered into a single spar tournament. Also a spar lag cap of 200-250ms (depending on the time of day) would make sparring more enjoyable.

True actually if old leaders are back id spar more

Can you explain how they worked? =o

It was a rating system. You gained and lost points depending on your points and the points of your opponent. So sparing just noobs or people with low score would never get you number 1 but sparing other active top tier sparers would allow u to climb the leader boards and really show ur skill

This is the best post in the thread.

I'd also like to point out Inco as one of the most improved sparrers. I'm impressed.

It worked the exact same as spar rating from PC Graal... The GS leaderboard still uses it.

There was a glitch that allowed players to constantly reset their deviation to /350 and cheat to #1. It was abused a ton. Aside from that, it basically encourages you to selectively spar when you're ranked high. When I was 9000+, I'd get +2 points for beating anyone and -100 for losing to #2.

You could also get ranked high on alternate accounts. It took about 30 spars to get ranked. It took over a week to hide from the leaderboard due to inactivity. After a week, all you had to do was spar a single time and you'd show again... A good player could sit at #1 by sparring probably 100-200 times the entire season. A bad player could do the same if they know the glitches and were selective enough.

I was #1 on the PC side of that leaderboard for probably 90% of the time I actively sparred through 2012-2014. It was clearly more reflective of skill, that's never been the argument, but it came with a ton of other problems.

true but u had 9000+pts

@contego
http://www.graalians.com/forums/atta...1&d=1449598712
if you had over 7000+ pts you gain +30 for winning, -100~150 for losing unless the opponent had higher pts than you.

old leaderboard was very jumpy. one day thallen is #1, the next day eko becomes #1.
u can just tell by screenshots that thallen has and the leaderboard tables i saved on my blog.

september 2013
march 2014
just look at the last person's rating pts. the glitch affected the whole leaderboard and i didn't include some boosted accts that had 700-100 with 7000~8000 pts.

It was good, it just had problems
They could easily bring it back if they dropped the dependency on rating deviation and if the camping rules were a little more severe

Even if they did, it isn't going to do anything, it'll be the same thing as what happened when this leaderboard came out (hype, dies out after first season, back to same ol')

Qes you aren't close to the top 100 of all time let alone top 250-300 (neither am I that is for sure) I feel like you have finally lost your mind after the amount of shrooms and weed you consume on the daily.

People like you is what give sparring, the people posting on this threads favorite activity a bad name.

Going by your logic: Curse everyone who does not spar and didn't spar when 1000 people or less played on the server.

I think comments like yours makes the spar community look worse than Qes' delusional ideas of how players should spar. Respecting is one thing, and idolizing someone like a burger joint noob idolizes adimans is another.

Going by your logic: Robert Horry is a true legend. Nikka got more rings than Kobe, Duncan, and the dream Hakeem.:D:P

He just tryin too get in alumi lol giv him some slack

prove.. what
I mean thallen says I feel like people have something to prove to ME. i never said that, I just think the whole spar community should be Pro-spar rather than Pro-chatt all day until GST. All I really have been saying. New Leaderboards would be nice and so would prizes but with or without them the spar community should spar.. a lot..
Also thallen, I have nothing to prove to anybody like you claim I do. Nobody has anything to prove to anybody but themselves. If somebody wants to be one of the best they need to prove it to themselves.
trololo
And Anybody saying I'm not top 100 must be holding onto long lost friends that quit graal over a year ago, because I'm clearly top 100, and any of the active 100 sparrers who I haven't mentioned can come prove it to me, I'm fair about who's better than me.

When I tell you there aren't 100 active sparers on graal right now that can beat me in a series, i mean there aren't 100. Maybe 50 and thats me being nice to you guys just so you don't say "OMG LOOK WHAT QES SAID ON THE THREAD"

Rather than say that, say "series me" in the game, unless your one of the people who i mentioned being better than me then you don't have to.

In my mind I'm clearly top 100 whether I accept challenges or not. And if I lose to 100 different people I would gladly come back and say "never mind!" but since I posted this thread I've series'd close to 20 people and lost to three people, Skull(hopefully I can tie it, he's allowing me to a rematch, even if he didn't he has me beat as of now ;)) and Hmong(was 10-9 and I've beaten him before in a series so we're even as of now ;))
and Brett(as of now, jk that might take me a few years.

This server should have shield 3 speed and more hearts by now. You can't gain as much of a life and skill advantage as you would in a pc graal spar match. Also, just getting .5 behind on iClassic can be really hard to come back from vs some people with delay here.

As if those matches don't take long enough, you want them to take longer?...

I don't know anyone who would want to play "let's see who can keep more hearts" for hours.

I would like more hearts, speak for yourself.

More hearts would result in a lot of people having way better and way worse ratios. It'd put a lot more separation between sparring records. I hate sparring for 6 hits because it's so inconsistent and random. It seems like there's a buttload of sparrers around the 2-4:1 ratio range.

I sparred on the pc client a while back and I found it a little harder but spars don't really take forever to complete even tho its 13 hearts.

Yeah, then all the matches can take even longer.

This is how it would work out.
Once the delayer gains the advantage, they will stay back, and wait for you to rush them, so they can gain even more advantage.

Whenever I fight a delayer, it's either get the first hit, or pray that they aren't forcing lag too.

Imagine streak room with more hp. No thank you.

Isn't iclassic and client the same speed? I think staff have said this already.

with more hearts you can spar more ballsy and offense knowing if something goes wrong you got more to fall back on and clutch