lol why? school this young igraalian


What is US known for? Besides UN sparring and iClassic GST?

and for the 2000 part

I remember reading a comment from a current US member saying how he used to troll US because they were lame, prior to Rufus taking over. If I can find it I will post it.



Here's my post that the ****** deleted, but you can find it in crono's post. I brought it up to help mr warhawk understand that this is not PC graal. If I was obsessed with something I would bring it up myself. Just like what I replied to aero. I help people understand things not obsess over small stuff.



Edit: So qes goat and warhawks posts were deleted and david crono and thallens posts were left alone. Beautiful bias moderation at its best. GJ ****** lol

Gst isn't only about individual skill but also about teamwork ... If you believe you will win gst with that sort of mentality then I'm afraid you will be greatly disappointed .

You guys do realize if Alumni wins one of these Gsts they will have 9 wins... US has 11 wins... Alumni needs to win both or lose both this season, otherwise all of Classic is screwed.

Mixed- 1st GTEAM, heard leader is pro so he could carry em all the way.
2nd Enguard, have alot of former Alumni so they can do it. Thallen is sub from what I heard.
3rd Mother, apparently Crimewatcher is on it so he could 1v5.

iDev- 1st Iron Banner, bet GRVTY idk who could beat these guys.
2nd US, heard Shiden and Juggs will be coming back to 2v5 but not good enough to beat Iron Banner.
3rd Focus, full of old legends, very talented.

Mix:
1. BTK
2. Blackout
3. SLX

iDevice:
1. Rebellious
2. VIS

Qes the first man to hate on pc players then move into a different shell where he loves UN users and believes he is still the best idev player to live

Spoiler tag because this is off-topic and irrelevant in the year 2016:

Sorry but these newcomers (prodigys) seem like a pretty tight team, they beat alumni,Elysian, and silver up at belle...the leader is scar and I think they got a good chance

Then again not all of alumni/Elysian cores were all on but most of them were on for sure

Whatever guild im in

(Serious question: Do you have to win to grt the taunt twerking ?)

Wtf lol that's so irrelevant bud

And no u don't have to win lmfao u get a something even by losing the first round

Thanks lol sorry about randomness just wanted to ask

oh red this is your forum account? makes sense now. I don't believe I'm the best I think I'm pretty good though, i believe a lot in series sparring compared to most people. I haven't hated on people using a pc since 2013 back when i complained about EVERYTHING because i hated losing so bad. you gotta chill out with talking about things you don't know. atlas when i talk about things i don't know, like client sparring, i reference other people.

Idev:1stAlumni
2nd:Elysian
3rd:Silver/prodigys






Mixed:1st:alumni
2nd:entity
3rd:blackout

US was very relevant on Classic well before UN. Once Classic was basically dead, other members moved to UN. It had pretty good sparring potential after some folks from Cherry joined, but sparring was never the main focus of the guild. It def had a different level of recognition on iClassic, but its impact (well, impact from its members) goes beyond just sparring both on PC and iServers.


Someone linked me to your post.

This is just another off topic discussion about something that is all based on biased opinions. Not to mention I think asking people from that/my timeline would make the most sense but probably still be biased too.

To be clear, sparring was actually a real thing we did before 2001 too, not just C style, and to anyone who suggests otherwise was either inactive in '99 or didn't play then.

I guess for some reason people think using arrows can actually evolve tremendously. Most notable discovery of sparring was the ability to strife.

A lot of people left Graal when it went pay to play (p2p). We lost a lot of amazing sparrers around that time PLUS when me and my incredible team (especially James205) made Shaded Legend in 2001 we took the majority of the active sparrers to that server and the others spread out to all the other server choices.

Fun fact too, Baddies was one of the original Guilds on Graal in the 1st year of release. Venture vamps (my good friend Goth made it) came out in late '99 i believe maybe early 2000, and US I want to say 2001 to 2003 sometime. Looking at the guild creations on the global guild list is useless as we used to have a local Guild Admin who would manually upload names and create tags directly on the server. Finally, the guild site changed 2-3 times too so the guilds had to be remade as we remade the url to Graal.

Winter 2016 GST Predictions
 

If you're saying my opinion is biased then I don't see how considering I was in 0 of those 3 guilds...

That is not the only way it could make someone biased.

I thought Gorthaur was the original leader of US for years, I barely remember him though. But I did more recently find a US guild page that showed a guild leader before Gorthaur. I'll look for it again sometime.

If you take GST wins and UN sparring out of the equation would what you posted make them worth mentioning today? I probably made a bad choice of words by using relevant since PC graal has always been a small community and thus making it easier for a guild to be relevant on a server with less than 10 active guilds.


Don't really know how to reply since I'm reading it and what I'm getting is basically what I said. If you ask anyone PC or idevice about US I would almost guarantee that the only thing they would bring up is those 2 things. To the impact thing, whatever (for example) your impact was as a level guy is not going to be credited to the guild, or at least I wouldn't credited to the guild.

I don't get what GOAT is expecting out of a guild. If they're best at something they're good. Do they need to be a charity who support Graal orphans? What are you expecting out of a video game guild?

I didn't mention them, that was you
But they have been one of the most relevant guilds on the game

He's a sub, if we ever had to use him and he was lagging like that then I'd ask to use someone else

Don't see what the problem is. Sure it's annoying but it's not like they're impossible to beat.

ffs.

Not to throw gas on the fire but I think experienced sparrers who know how to play with delay and skipping bring so much randomness to the fighting. Ghosting through people, hitting people from yards away. I'm aware that these things are simply because the person did hit or dodge you and it just shows up weird for the other players, but there you have it.

Arguable if its an advantage, in my opinion its ridiculous though, but I'm not the best sparrer or guildsparrer so not a big authority on the subject.

Don't agree that they should be banned, at least in the cases where it seems legit, like Sarah. Haven't seen a single person from Europe, even on iDev, behave like Dae does in game, but maybe its just one of those things.

EDIT: Side note: those were some good spars vs Alumni, I liked it except the endgame.

Agreed to an extend... Also they're pretty useless for the start of the GS since they're so laggy that they can't even help their team mates out if they're getting teamed... So you guys should use that to your advantage...Also if they're laggy on your screen that means you're lagggy on theirs.

But I wouldn't mind seeing a lag cap because I think the way Kosma and Clops describe it is that it was teleporting...which is like crazy as hell and insanely hard to hit.

In regards to Sarah I think she delays more than lag because her movements are normal...just predict her.

I wish I recorded. I am not complaining but it was pretty terrible today, it wasn't even sparring. I had fun sparring them but to say you don't see the problem is a pretty ridiculous statement.

Yeah I editted my post before you posted your reply because I didn't read what Kosma said. But yeah there should be a lag limit...I thought it was just minor lag similar to aboods...but you guys describe it like it's a lot worse so idk i guess i'd have to be there to judge. But #LagLimitPlease

Usually they aren't that bad, today was just like epic bad. Still had fun though and hopefully in GST it's not like that.

Best way I can describe it was they both moved like this (along with ghost hits) -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJyIvVPS0eI

Oohh if it's like that then I think they'd be DQ'd at GST. The rule is if you are frozen and cannot be hit then you get DQ'd I think (well that's what one of the admins told me).

Yeah if it's like that you can't really predict...my bad I misunderstood the scale of the lag you guys were referring to.

Literally the first time he's lagged that bad lol, you're acting as if you've never had a day where you're lagging bad

Wtf you are complaining about that rare time I'm lag spiking when there are 4K+ on?? I'm sure I'm not the only one lagging when 4k are on and you are talking as if I lag 24/7. Spar me when less are on I don't even lag, wish I could record but I'm not jail broken anymore though I uploaded plenty of videos of myself sparring and I wasn't lagging. Btw if you see someone lagging it's reciprocal. If it wasn't a practice spar I wouldn't have joined if I lagged.

elaborate on this if possible, just curious.

No one is complaining people are saying if its like that at gst it shouldnt be allowed. You were lagging really really bad and people have the right to be vocal about it. It becomes a game where you dont know how you won or how you lost which isnt even sparring at that point.

For me he's been skipping for weeks, but yeah the server itself been real ****ty the past day or two, I'm not basing my comment on one practice spar. I was just answering the question Striken asked. Whether it's me or Dae skipping was beside my point.

Everyone who says they know how to hit Sarah loses to her.
On paper lag should make hitting difficult for laggers and their opponents, but some laggers can tank with almost full health through matches and hit everyone else around like they're ping pong balls.

No one is going to be dq'd, it'd just be really anti-climactic to have an unhittable lagger team in finals. They've always taken some fun out of tournaments.

I've sparred Sarah countless times ... She does not lag.
Unless there is like 4k plus people in which case everyone lags and that's the servers fault not the players

No not everyone lags like some people. That is completely false and you weren't even around when we were sparring.

Also the 4k comment isn't fully true.

Had Sarah and Dae known that there would be 10 forum posts criticizing them if they were laggy, I'm sure they'd have tested their ping before the spars
If the conspiracy theory is that they were intentionally lagging, I don't understand why you think they'd do that in these random practice spars

Other than that:

1. Admins can see the ping of each player during GST spars
2. There is a rule against excessive lagging so no one wants to do it
3. I've subbed out people for their lag before

She does lag, just not a **** ton.

I had fun sparring but people take offense when someone comments on how bad someones lag is. Is that was going on during GST then it would be a problem for sure. To what I have seen those rules arent 100% enforced.

So you are assuming that someone is a full time over powered lager because you've seen them lag once?

What the **** are you even talking about?

I delay but I don't lag and I'm sure of that. I do spike sometimes but everyone does and once again you are complaining about that rare time I was spiking a lot yet I still had 250-350 ms with 4K on.

I have never seen someone warp across the gs ring multiple times and not get dq for it

They were both fine with you guys leaving the pub when everyone acknowledged they were lagging, but I don't see the point of it being a forum topic

It wasn't the GST though, which is why I don't understand there being nearly a full page of discussion on it

Ok but what the hell do you even mean by previous comment?

People talk about stuff, that's how things work. If SL lagged like that people would do the same thing.

It also doesn't help Alumni = GST champs

Also I only chipped in when someone said they don't see the problem in it. Like I have said I had fun sparring but I had to be honest about how bad the lagging was.

You stated that I was not there when you was gsing a team with Sarah and she was lagging , and I said you can't base your judgement is someone is a full time lager from one experience

When did I say one experience? Again I have no idea what you are talking about.

I stated you weren't there to see how bad it was, that has nothing to do with 'one experience' or whatever you are trying to say

I wasn't there to see it , that's one time , one experience ...