Posted by Count (Post 693834)

Wow, so you have to have 10k spar wins to actually be a graal player? you're so full of yourself it disgusts me.

I wonder why you aren't being hired when you constantly berate staff members on the forums?? Maybe because it shows how much of an asshole you are? food for thought to everyone who has nothing to say but how awful it is they aren't staff and how awful the staff team with no actual basing other than "lol they play the game they want to, they don't actually count as people, let me throw in some guilds that only like 4 of the staff members were actually in"

zanza has been dead for ages. most of the staff members in it now are just friends who became friends after they became staff. Wow, isn't it weird that they are in the same guild??

If you can't put two and two together, no, it isn't.

edit: I've put more thought into your post and realized a few things. I'm glad you think that staff members aren't the same as you. It would be a catastrophe if they were.



You can't seriously be this blind, can you? Do you not see all the people in Graal City asking for 13 year olds to trade nudes with and ****? "rp ;) girls only" has no place on a kids game, or really any game that isn't made specifically for it. There are places for that, and, wow, big surprise, it isn't Graal. Try one of those stupid roleplay apps or forums or whatever they are, I know they exist, I don't care to find them. take it to kik or something even, if you do that on a game rated 4+ or 8+ or whatever unixmad decided it was this month, you deserve to be banned for being that stupid.

And maybe, just maybe, they were reported? Think about it. How else would a GP just happen to find this particular player who was doing inappropriate things in PM out of the 4,000 that are online?

ffs



it's no wonder that so many of the competent staff quit, I don't know how they put up with this bull****.

Posted by ReD s. (Post 693967)

Not once did I say you needed 10000 spar wins to moderate the arena, otherwise fulgore wouldn't have been hired right? Don't jump to conclusions I don't wish to be a gp because I have no time to fulfill that sort of jobs requirements.

You should actually read the posts before you find one you think is right to quote and rant on.



You tell me off for "abusing" these gps then you say this lol

Posted by Dusty (Post 693857)

Wait, are you expecting staff to do some sort of extensive background history check on every single report? They looked at your PMs and saw you were swearing at someone else who had reported you, and then dealt with it accordingly. Do you expect them to just know that the person you're swearing at had an alternate account, and that you had blocked that entirely different account?

Don't break the rules, even if someone else does it.

Posted by CM (Post 693700)

I'll take dumbest GP over dumbest player any dayalso not even GP

Posted by CM (Post 693700)

Why are you all so instigative? Literally when someone doesn't agree with your almighty 100% opinion, you attack them. Calm down, this thread is meant for discussion, not for attacking each other.

Posted by Dusty (Post 693857)

Wait, are you expecting staff to do some sort of extensive background history check on every single report? They looked at your PMs and saw you were swearing at someone else who had reported you, and then dealt with it accordingly. Do you expect them to just know that the person you're swearing at had an alternate account, and that you had blocked that entirely different account?

Don't break the rules, even if someone else does it.

Posted by CM (Post 694204)

Yup, I now know everyone's phone number, address, favorite food, where they work/go to school, how tall they are, their grandmother's phone number, and so much more.

Posted by CM (Post 694204)

Yup, I now know everyone's phone number, address, favorite food, where they work/go to school, how tall they are, their grandmother's phone number, and so much more.

Posted by CM (Post 693700)

I'll take dumbest GP over dumbest player any day

Posted by Thallen (Post 694375)

Sarcasm doesn't help justify that there's a reason for low-ranking staff to be able to see private conversations

Posted by Striken (Post 694376)

Both are the same ya ****ing twat. Only difference is one has powers, while the other doesn't.

Posted by Count (Post 694381)

Who said low-ranking staff had access to them? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Posted by Bryan* (Post 694386)

I've lost count upon how long you've been worshipping staff members. That was a vacuous question to ask.

Kiss-Ass Counter: 135 and counting.

Posted by Yog (Post 694383)

Well it's also a much smaller group of people. I assume someone like you wouldn't understand how that works though.

Posted by Striken (Post 694393)

Are you missing the point? Both players are dumb as CM said, however there's a slight difference. It wasn't about a group of people, it was 2 individuals but hey steer the topic away.

Posted by Count (Post 694381)

Who said low-ranking staff had access to them? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Posted by CM (Post 693700)

Why are you all so instigative? Literally when someone doesn't agree with your almighty 100% opinion, you attack them. Calm down, this thread is meant for discussion, not for attacking each other.

Posted by Thallen (Post 694411)

I think it's more you not knowing something that the rest of us do... Either that, or pretending like you don't to try and validate some argument

Posted by Bryan* (Post 694386)

I've lost count upon how long you've been worshipping staff members. That was a vacuous question to ask.

Kiss-Ass Counter: 135 and counting.

Posted by Bryan* (Post 694458)

Posted by Bryan* (Post 694458)

Posted by Yog (Post 694461)

Posted by Bryan* (Post 694463)

That has nothing to do with moderating the game. I don't like it either.

Posted by Yog (Post 694461)

Posted by Count (Post 694431)

No, seriously, what constitutes a low-ranking staff member in your mind?

Posted by Thallen (Post 694375)

Sarcasm doesn't help justify that there's a reason for low-ranking staff to be able to see private conversations

Posted by Striken (Post 694376)

Both are the same ya ****ing twat.

Posted by CM (Post 694517)

If I, for example, wanted to look at Thallen's PM history because I was bored and curious, I'm pretty sure that would be considered abuse to some degree.

Posted by CM (Post 694517)

Staff will only look at your PM history if you are reported for something (i.e. sexual messages over PM). Other than that, unless a staff has a legitimate reason for checking PMs, they won't be doing it. If I, for example, wanted to look at Thallen's PM history because I was bored and curious, I'm pretty sure that would be considered abuse to some degree.

Posted by Areo (Post 694543)

In response to Yog's post. I think that while that helps, if you all are certain that no adminisator would abuse their power, then that adds to the problem. If you aren't suspicious of other GP's, then who can check to make sure they're doing their job justly and honestly?

Posted by Thallen (Post 694483)

Anyone who doesn't play an active role in the development of the game or anyone who gets hired based on an application that reflects nothing more than an ability to answer fourth-grade level question

In other words, GPs

Posted by Thallen (Post 694483)

Anyone who doesn't play an active role in the development of the game or anyone who gets hired based on an application that reflects nothing more than an ability to answer fourth-grade level question

In other words, GPs

Posted by Areo (Post 694543)

I think the issue people have is that their aren't many checks for this power. I'm not saying it's abused by adminisators, don't take this the wrong way, but you could easily view Thallen's message history, and no one would be the wiser(I saw what yog said above, I'll address it). That's the abuse of power people are worried about.

In response to Yog's post. I think that while that helps, if you all are certain that no adminisator would abuse their power, then that adds to the problem. If you aren't suspicious of other GP's, then who can check to make sure they're doing their job justly and honestly?

That brings us to a couple questions that might help the situation a bit.

- Do administrators actions get reviewed by anyone?

- If someone isn't reported, is it possible to check their pm history? As in if someone was trying to abuse it, could they?

- is there some sort of protocol for checking pm history, like do you have to cite a reason or report for checking it, or does it just appear in said log as "(adminisators name) checked player1's pm history"?

I understand that you need to trust an adminisator when you hire them, but absolute trust can be a dangerous thing. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, either. I understand most GP's won't abuse the power, im more wondering how possible it is for them to do so.

Posted by Bryan* (Post 694458)

Posted by Milo (Post 694590)

I see your point which is basically the purpose of the last question in the application. If we do have suspicions of someone possibly abusing their power, people are informed and of course it is looked into. players play some sort of a role in this as well.

Posted by Milo (Post 694590)

If you think someone is abusing their power then you should email [email protected] or let one of the other administrators know. For example, if someone were to ban you because they don't like you or something then it's pretty obvious you should inform someone.

Posted by Yog (Post 694549)

Sure it's possible you could get away with it, but it's gonna look a little fishy when CM pulls up Thallen's PM history when there were no reports that would've warranted it.

Posted by Areo (Post 694638)

What I mean is, if you saw, say, CM checking a bunch of players history without reports, would you question it/inform someone about it?(not saying you do that CM, just an example). That's the question, overall is doesn't really have a straightforward answer, seeing that the true answer would differ between people.

Posted by Areo (Post 694638)

again, the issue isn't really about suspicious activity. It's more do administrators keep an eye out for their cohorts doing things they shouldn't? What I mean is, if you saw, say, CM checking a bunch of players history without reports, would you question it/inform someone about it?(not saying you do that CM, just an example). That's the question, overall is doesn't really have a straightforward answer, seeing that the true answer would differ between people.

Posted by CM (Post 694656)

Doing that is really risky because it is all stored in logs, so when any higher up is monitoring your activity they easily see that you did that.

Posted by CM (Post 694656)

I think most GPs would either tell them to stop or to be careful, although I haven't seen anything like that happen before

Posted by CM (Post 694656)

Doing that is really risky because it is all stored in logs, so when any higher up is monitoring your activity they easily see that you did that.

I think most GPs would either tell them to stop or to be careful, although I haven't seen anything like that happen before

Posted by Areo (Post 694543)

I think the issue people have is that their aren't many checks for this power. I'm not saying it's abused by adminisators, don't take this the wrong way, but you could easily view Thallen's message history, and no one would be the wiser(I saw what yog said above, I'll address it). That's the abuse of power people are worried about.

In response to Yog's post. I think that while that helps, if you all are certain that no adminisator would abuse their power, then that adds to the problem. If you aren't suspicious of other GP's, then who can check to make sure they're doing their job justly and honestly?

That brings us to a couple questions that might help the situation a bit.

- Do administrators actions get reviewed by anyone?

- If someone isn't reported, is it possible to check their pm history? As in if someone was trying to abuse it, could they?

- is there some sort of protocol for checking pm history, like do you have to cite a reason or report for checking it, or does it just appear in said log as "(adminisators name) checked player1's pm history"?

I understand that you need to trust an adminisator when you hire them, but absolute trust can be a dangerous thing. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, either. I understand most GP's won't abuse the power, im more wondering how possible it is for them to do so.

Posted by Areo (Post 694638)

again, the issue isn't really about suspicious activity. It's more do administrators keep an eye out for their cohorts doing things they shouldn't? What I mean is, if you saw, say, CM checking a bunch of players history without reports, would you question it/inform someone about it?(not saying you do that CM, just an example). That's the question, overall is doesn't really have a straightforward answer, seeing that the true answer would differ between people.


Of course if you're banned this would work, but since you don't even know they viewed your pm history you would have no idea.



I understand that as an administrator you can't do all of your work while monitoring everyone else, more just putting it out there as a possible problem.

Posted by Striken (Post 694662)

I think they do this but I never seen that happen!

Posted by Alex R (Post 694857)

On a side note , where are the admins that "patrol" anymore , back in the day towers /pk areas used to get checked regularly and people lagging would be warped out etc. Rarely happens now. And where is the list of admins names lol , if you need Real help u won't get it immediately cuz they are seemingly focused on other things (like reports and checking pms)

BTW I apologise for any rudeness or indecency I have shown towards any admins in regards to my ban. I know you were just doing your job I just think the system is a little flawed

Posted by Alex R (Post 694857)

On a side note , where are the admins that "patrol" anymore , back in the day towers /pk areas used to get checked regularly and people lagging would be warped out etc. Rarely happens now. And where is the list of admins names lol , if you need Real help u won't get it immediately cuz they are seemingly focused on other things (like reports and checking pms)

Posted by Kosiris (Post 694950)

my friend got a warning for joining a guild then kicking everyone off of it, I didn't know this was punishable lol. thoughts @GPs?