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Colin 06-09-2017 07:08 AM
God damn you are ignorant, ISLAM IS A PROBLEM.

We aren't attacking it we are pointing out FACTS.

Islam dominated countries treat women like slaves and kill homosexuals and non-believers (yes Saudi will execute atheists and those who dismiss Islam) because that's what Islam TEACHES. That's a PROBLEM.

The holy texts of Islam preach to KILL non-believers, that's a PROBLEM, and there's no wrong interpretations when it very clearly says to kill non-believers several times.

It's FACT not opinion, which is why, yes, criticizing Islam is OKAY because it DESERVES TO BE CRITICIZED.

Do research before you try to claim Islam is actually acceptable.

Hundreds of millions of Muslims (even those in countries like the US) have stated they support Sharia law, which is HORRIBLE.

Don't sit here and tell me there isn't anything wrong with Islam when my friend in Saudi Arabia could be executed for THREE different things that are normal and widely accepted because Islam says it's a problem.

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Posted by PigParty (Post 786133)
illogically interpreting it literally?
How is it illogical to interpret something how it was meant to be interpreted? Especially when it comes to a religious belief, what are you even trying to say?

Saeed 06-09-2017 04:01 PM
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Posted by Colin (Post 786135)
God damn you are ignorant, ISLAM IS A PROBLEM.

We aren't attacking it we are pointing out FACTS.

Islam dominated countries treat women like slaves and kill homosexuals and non-believers (yes Saudi will execute atheists and those who dismiss Islam) because that's what Islam TEACHES. That's a PROBLEM.

The holy texts of Islam preach to KILL non-believers, that's a PROBLEM, and there's no wrong interpretations when it very clearly says to kill non-believers several times.

It's FACT not opinion, which is why, yes, criticizing Islam is OKAY because it DESERVES TO BE CRITICIZED.

Do research before you try to claim Islam is actually acceptable.

Hundreds of millions of Muslims (even those in countries like the US) have stated they support Sharia law, which is HORRIBLE.

Don't sit here and tell me there isn't anything wrong with Islam when my friend in Saudi Arabia could be executed for THREE different things that are normal and widely accepted because Islam says it's a problem.



How is it illogical to interpret something how it was meant to be interpreted? Especially when it comes to a religious belief, what are you even trying to say?
Never thought you would be that stupid

Colin 06-09-2017 04:05 PM
Good reply Saeed, go back to VPNing on an alt trying to get admin to ban all the players you can't beat, especially Sarah after she 10'0'd you

Everything I said is fact and Islam should not teach those, no one can deny it and you're only saying that because you're upset over completely unrelated things.

Saeed 06-09-2017 04:22 PM
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Posted by Colin (Post 786156)
Good reply Saeed, go back to VPNing on an alt trying to get admin to ban all the players you can't beat, especially Sarah after she 10'0'd you

Everything I said is fact and Islam should not teach those, no one can deny it and you're only saying that because you're upset over completely unrelated things.
The reason why I called you stupid because i'm muslim myself, I have also read the Quran several times. The quran doesn't tell us to "kill non-believers" We neither been taught to kill non-believers. You're making assumptions and accusations when you don't know anything aboht Islam. It's like me saying Christians are told to force others to join their religion, which isn't true. The non-muslims people who are defending us, has probably read translated quotes of Quran or, have an innocent muslim friend. The only Islamic book that came directly from god is the Quran and there is nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive. Your assumptions are based on what your ears heard. Isis has no link or connection with Islam, if you ever studied RE in your school you'll understand why those people are defending muslims. Now stop with your childishness and save your racist opinion to yourself.

Kosiris 06-09-2017 04:28 PM
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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
The reason why I called you stupid because i'm muslim myself, I have also read the Quran several times. The quran doesn't tell us to "kill non-believers" We neither been taught to kill non-believers. You're making assumptions and accusations when you don't know anything aboht Islam. It's like me saying Christians are told to force others to join their religion, which isn't true. The non-muslims people who are defending us, has probably read translated quotes of Quran or, have an innocent muslim friend. The only Islamic book that came directly from god is the Quran and there is nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive. Your assumptions are based on what your ears heard. Isis has no link or connection with Islam, if you ever studied RE in your school you'll understand why those people are defending muslims. Now stop with your childishness and save your racist opinion to yourself.
criticism of religion isn't racist. the quran also states that everything that the prophet preached was from allah himself, emphasizing the importance of hadiths.

Colin 06-09-2017 04:31 PM
Criticizing a religion doesn't make you racist bimbo

You should learn to read buddy, let me give you a few examples:

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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.
“They ask you about fighting during the sacred months. Tell them, fighting therein is a great sin but a greater sin is to prevent mankind from following the way of Allah, to disbelieve in him.” 2:217

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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.
“Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out. Persecution is worse than slaughter.” 2:191

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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.
“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” 47:4

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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.
“When your Lord revealed to the angels, ‘Truly I am with you. So, keep firm those who have believed. I will strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. So, strike them at the necks and cut off their fingers.’” 8:12

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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one superior to the other and because they spend to support them from their means. Therefore, righteous women are obedient and they guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard. And, as to those women from whom you fear disobedience, give them a warning, send them to separate beds, and beat them.” 4:34

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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.
“Oh you who believe, fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you and let them find harshness in you.” 9:123

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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.
“Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow Him are merciful to one another but harsh to the disbeliever.” 48:29

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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.
“They wish that you would reject faith as they have rejected faith unless that you would all be equal. So, don’t take protectors from them unless they emigrate in the way of Allah but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them.” 4:89

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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.
"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority" 3:151

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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" 5:33

Should I keep going? These are just a few of the violent versus, haven't even gotten to the aggressive stuff regarding women/homosexuals and others aside from the quote in there about beating women who don't obey you.

Saeed 06-09-2017 04:37 PM
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Posted by Kosiris (Post 786161)
criticism of religion isn't racist. the quran also states that everything that the prophet preached was from allah himself, emphasizing the importance of hadiths.
True but this means nothing because non of the hadiths contains any information related to killing non believers. Like there is absolutely no prove of an Islamic original quotation that encourages any muslim to kill non-believers. Unless if you're talking about "the right"(not even a commandment) to kill people who left the islamic religion. If so, non of the purposes of the terrorist attacks been made because of "the right to kill people who left the islamic religion".

Colin 06-09-2017 04:38 PM
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Posted by Saeed (Post 786164)
absolutely no prove of an Islamic original quotation that encourages any muslim to kill non-believers.
you blind??????

just gave you a whole list (that is a short collection of a lot more violent and aggressive versus)

Saeed 06-09-2017 04:46 PM
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Yes, we're allowed to literally kill any person in-battle. As defenderswho are protecting their own country. Which is pretty normal?????
We're also allowed to kill non-believere who gets in our way using physical/violence movments (The non-believers) while we're trying to spread our religion around the world. I can google quotes from the bible and post them here too without know their meanings/without reading what it said before this quote.

5hift 06-09-2017 04:49 PM
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Posted by Saeed (Post 786166)
Yes, we're allowed to literally kill any person in-battle. As defenderswho are protecting their own country. Which is pretty normal?????
This is pretty ironic considering the bodyguards of Erdogan literally beat up American citizens on American soil and they pretty much got off scott-free.



Off with their heads! Or not considering Trump and Erdogan are buddies now I guess...

Colin 06-09-2017 04:49 PM
“Oh you who believe, fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you and let them find harshness in you.” 9:123

“Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow Him are merciful to one another but harsh to the disbeliever.” 48:29

“They wish that you would reject faith as they have rejected faith unless that you would all be equal. So, don’t take protectors from them unless they emigrate in the way of Allah but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them.” 4:89

None of those versus are based on defending or protecting yourself, and the last verse is literally calling to kill all non-believers just for rejecting the faith.

I also like how you completely avoided the fact women are treated subhuman and LGBT are executed in Islam-dominated countries because of religious teachings.

Saeed 06-09-2017 04:54 PM
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True but this means nothing because non of the hadiths contains any information related to killing non believers. Like there is absolutely no prove of an Islamic original quotation that encourages any muslim to kill non-believers. Unless if you're talking about "the right"(not even a commandment) to kill people who left the islamic religion. If so, non of the purposes of the terrorist attacks been made because of "the right to kill people who left the islamic religion".
I have all day to explain every single quotation

Colin 06-09-2017 04:55 PM
https://i.gyazo.com/5c1c398ceaa6c318...5388e24b17.png
https://i.gyazo.com/96b70db88ea2c111...d505d48c0a.png

okay so explain why that says to kill someone just for not following Islam??

Saeed 06-09-2017 05:02 PM
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Posted by Colin (Post 786170)
https://i.gyazo.com/5c1c398ceaa6c318...5388e24b17.png

okay so explain why that says to kill someone just for not following Islam??
"If they turn back from islam" I never denied the fact you have the right to kill people who left Islam after being a muslim. I literally showed you the meaning of the quote and you still missed understood it. I gave you the chance to show how muslims are taught to kill non-believers. Although you used several quotes from google, non of them emphasize that muslims must kill non-believers.
If so, howcome Muslims are also dying in almost every terrorist attack? If Isis were truly linked to Islam, they wouldn't have killed their own in the sake of killing non-believers. Muslims victims and Isis suicide bombers are two great examples.

Colin 06-09-2017 05:06 PM
They are non-believers to begin with, and if they do follow Islam and leave that makes non-believers, therefore you are being told to kill non-believers.

Every quote I posted was about killing non-believers, and quit focusing your argument on this one topic while completely avoiding everything else I mentioned.

They kill for several reasons outside of people being non-believers but all their killings stem from religious beliefs, such as the time they executed two young boys for eating during Ramadan when it was forbidden.

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Posted by Saeed (Post 786173)
I never denied the fact you have the right to kill people who left Islam after being a muslim.
How can you say this and still get bothered by people that criticize the religion? Do you think that's acceptable or what???

Saeed 06-09-2017 05:12 PM
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Posted by Colin (Post 786174)

They kill for several reasons outside of people being non-believers but all their killings stem from religious beliefs, such as the time they executed two young boys for eating during Ramadan when it was forbidden.
Ignorant people, I ate during Ramadan myself when it was necessary or when I just cannot continue which is wrong (the second part). Still doesn't mean they have the right to kill me, there is also no prove of Allah commanding us to kill people who eat during Ramadan. If you're going to say "you obviously live in the uk so no they wont kill you" I used to live in an arabic country, some and people eats in public during Ramadan.I'm not bothered anymore to explain every single quote you have listed because there is no point.

Colin 06-09-2017 05:18 PM
Saeed the guy to claim the Quran has no violence then try to justify it when proven wrong lmao

https://i.gyazo.com/5c1c398ceaa6c318...5388e24b17.png

That whole verse and several others like it are about killing non-believers, quit trying to act like Islam never preaches it.

It also does not indicate they are talking about Muslims who drop their faith, you could apply turning back from Islam to anyone who chooses not to believe, Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries will execute those who dismiss the Islamic religion, and you don't think that's a problem? Even if it is purely Muslims who quit believing that's still killing non-believers and a major issue.

Islam has problematic teaching, as does the Bible, it's fair to criticize both and both need reforming, Islam just happens to be much worse.

PigParty 06-09-2017 05:19 PM
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Posted by Colin (Post 786135)
God damn you are ignorant, ISLAM IS A PROBLEM.

We aren't attacking it we are pointing out FACTS.

Islam dominated countries treat women like slaves and kill homosexuals and non-believers (yes Saudi will execute atheists and those who dismiss Islam) because that's what Islam TEACHES. That's a PROBLEM.

The holy texts of Islam preach to KILL non-believers, that's a PROBLEM, and there's no wrong interpretations when it very clearly says to kill non-believers several times.

It's FACT not opinion, which is why, yes, criticizing Islam is OKAY because it DESERVES TO BE CRITICIZED.

Do research before you try to claim Islam is actually acceptable.

Hundreds of millions of Muslims (even those in countries like the US) have stated they support Sharia law, which is HORRIBLE.

Don't sit here and tell me there isn't anything wrong with Islam when my friend in Saudi Arabia could be executed for THREE different things that are normal and widely accepted because Islam says it's a problem.

How is it illogical to interpret something how it was meant to be interpreted? Especially when it comes to a religious belief, what are you even trying to say?
When you flat out say it's bad, you're attacking it. Maybe it's valid. Racism is bad, but by saying so, you're attacking the racist ideology. Criticism is respectfully pointing out specifically why racism is wrong. Criticism is more influential and better to use in an argument. Rather than petty attacks like "god damn you are ignorant" as all credibility is thrown out the window at that point because you proved you can't have a respectful, substantive discussion, so you attack the person, rather than argue against them.

I also never said you couldn't or shouldn't attack, criticize, or argue in any way in favor of your opinion. I did, however, say that you shouldn't mistake your opinion as fact. That must have been lost on you, though. You were too busy being offended by my pointing out of your dismissal of the other side's viewpoint, rather than substantively arguing against it.

I also think it's a poor idea to mistake culture with religion. It's hard to distinguish between the two when religion is intertwined in government, which I fully agree is problematic. But they are different.

For probably the third time, I'll post this again:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...und-the-world/

Most Christians in the U.S., for example, would favor the banning of abortion nation-wide. They base that belief on their religious beliefs. But to ban abortion nationwide, many would argue would be to violate the rights of women. I disagree with that argument, but I understand it. The point is, based on that argument, Christianity wants to control womens' bodies. And Christians don't just favor the banning of abortion, they are actively working to get to that point by trying to impose laws based on their religious beliefs. I'm not even going to comment on sharia law itself. The point is that religious people from all religions and across every country try to create legislation in accordance to their religion.

Kosiris 06-09-2017 05:23 PM
I'll post a hadith in Arabic, don't feel like finding translations:

عن البراء بن عازب قال مر بي خالي سماه هشيم وقد عقد له النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لواء فقلت له أين تريد فقال بعثني رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إلى رجل تزوج امرأة أبيه من بعده فأمرني أن أضرب عنقه ( أخرجه أحمد 4 – 292، وأبو داود: 4456، وابن ماجة حديث رقم: 2607- 2608، وصححه الإمام الألباني في إرواء الغليل 8 – 18).

basically the prophet ordered the killing of an apostate here. Are you saying it's still not a law? Also not all Arabic countries apply Sharia law (???) only a select few do.

Moving on, if Islam isn't the problem, you are saying that the legal murder of homosexuals, apostates, the stoning of married adulterers, I can go on and on... is not a problem too.

Colin 06-09-2017 05:27 PM
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Posted by PigParty (Post 786179)
When you flat out say it's bad, you're attacking it. Maybe it's valid. Racism is bad, but by saying so, you're attacking the racist ideology.
What?????????????

"What you say is valid but it's bad!!!" oh who cares, why should we be polite about a religion responsible for killing people who do nothing wrong and treating women like they are subhuman???

" Racism is bad, but by saying so, you're attacking the racist ideology."

No, by saying racism is bad I'm pointing out something that's common sense not 'attacking' it.

I'm not stating my opinion, I'm stating facts.

Islam, and racism (IDK why you brought it up) are bad, FACT not opinion, and it's not attacking them it's pointing out common sense and a major problem.

There is no need for me to have to explain why racist ideology is bad, nor should I have to explain why Islam is bad to get it through your thick skull, just look at some of the Islamic-dominated countries like Saudi Arabia.

edit: you edited your post to be blabbering about how to respectively argue, Islam being bad isn't an argument it's a widely known fact, and I already said the Bible has bad teachings as well, don't try to use Christianity to try and defend Islam or make it seem less worse

Saeed 06-09-2017 05:33 PM
Not even one post/quote explains how the Islam beliefs are responsible for the Isis terrorists attacks, which is the topic of this thread. Are you telling me Isis were targeting non-believers who left the Islam religion? I doubt that there is any victim who is a non-believer and was once a muslim.

Colin 06-09-2017 05:38 PM
Saeed you bimbo, the quote about killing non-believers who turn back on Islam applies to everyone who refuses to believe not just ex-Muslims

I bet you haven't researched a thing into ISIS besides just headlines.

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Posted by Colin (Post 786124)
ISIS is very Islamic, the religion preached by its followers derives from learned interpretations of Islam and all their actions are based on it.

They label them selves as following “the Prophetic methodology”, following the prophecy and example of Muhammad that is taught in the holy books of Islam which is very very violent.

They also believe the end of the world is near, and are under going actions that deems them 'worthy' for Mahdi ( Mahdi is the prophesied redeemer of Islam who will rule for five, seven, nine, or nineteen years before the Day of Judgement and will rid the world of evil).

They are following literal teachings of Islam, which has many many versus about killing non-believers which is also represented in the brutality of Middle-East early age civilizations.
You can say those versus only apply to 'war', but the invasion of Western societies into the Middle-East has create a very long ongoing war for years, and ISIS believes them selves to be at war with all non-believers regardless because they are taught everyone should follow Allah therefore those who do not are considered their enemy.

Mahdi explains a lot into their actions about killing other Muslims who do not follow the Islamic teachings or violate something that's forbidden (I.E eating when it's forbidden during Ramadan), none of these people would be deemed worthy under judgement of Mahdi so ISIS feels right to murder them as they want to cleanse the world of evil (non-believers and those who do not follow the word of Allah/Mohammed).

Darkk 06-09-2017 05:44 PM
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Posted by Saeed (Post 785787)
Simple explanation, either those "muslims" suffer from mental issues or they're using the Islam religion as a cover for their doings. There is nowhere in the Islam religious book that tells you to murder others in the sake of "revenge"
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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
The reason why I called you stupid because i'm muslim myself, I have also read the Quran several times.
You didn't know it was called the Quran a few days ago...


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PigParty 06-09-2017 05:59 PM
I just wanna say that if anyone has informative articles that help their side, share them. I'm always willing to learn more because I know I'll never ever fully understand Islam and especially the Middle-East. Just don't share garbage like Breitbart or blog posts from people with names even remotely similar to ninjatoad282

Colin 06-09-2017 06:04 PM
Maybe you guys think I'm hating on Islam, but I don't mind the religion or that people follow it, but there are definitely horrible teachings in it that needs to be addressed and not excused as with all religions at some point.

I don't think anyone can deny this, and it's made very clear in countries like Saudi Arabia that allow religion to influence law.

Yes, it has peaceful versus, but it also has violent versus, a lot of it seems to contradict its self but it makes a lot of sense that groups like ISIS could base their actions off Islamic teachings.

I'm not going to link ISIS related sites and information here for obvious reason, but anyone can easily research into the group on their own and easily tell how Islam has influenced them (especially Mahdi which is not widely accepted to my knowledge but is an Islamic belief that justifies a lot of ISIS's actions in their eyes).

Another thing we have to consider, just because Muslims in countries like U.S are peaceful does not mean they don't follow the poor teachings of Islam, I.E wanting death to homosexuals would not be tolerated at all, so they simply don't act on it (not saying they all believe it). The same is applied to Catholics/Christians, I do not believe in any of these religions and think it's fair to both criticize and attack any outrageous teachings they have.

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Posted by Señor Albonio (Post 785656)
Posting this video again. People need to realize what they're getting themselves into.

Señor Albonio 06-09-2017 06:18 PM
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Posted by Colin (Post 786188)

I'm not going to link ISIS related sites and information here for obvious reason, but anyone can easily research into the group on their own and easily tell how Islam has influenced them
Hey dad reposted my post with my favorite jew. also, the bold part is fantaSTIC.

PigParty 06-09-2017 06:22 PM
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Posted by Colin (Post 786188)
Maybe you guys think I'm hating on Islam, but I don't mind the religion or that people follow it, but there are definitely horrible teachings in it that needs to be addressed and not excused as with all religions at some point.

I don't think anyone can deny this, and it's made very clear in countries like Saudi Arabia that allow religion to influence law.

Yes, it has peaceful versus, but it also has violent versus, a lot of it seems to contradict its self but it makes a lot of sense that groups like ISIS could base their actions off Islamic teachings.

I'm not going to link ISIS related sites and information here for obvious reason, but anyone can easily research into the group on their own and easily tell how Islam has influenced them (especially Mahdi which is not widely accepted to my knowledge but is an Islamic belief that justifies a lot of ISIS's actions in their eyes).

Another thing we have to consider, just because Muslims in countries like U.S are peaceful does not mean they don't follow the poor teachings of Islam, I.E wanting death to homosexuals would not be tolerated at all, so they simply don't act on it (not saying they all believe it). The same is applied to Catholics/Christians, I do not believe in any of these religions and think it's fair to both criticize and attack any outrageous teachings they have.
This is something I agree with fully. I don't deny that they justify their actions based on Islamic teachings, but I guess the reason I separate them so much is because as a Christian, I believe there is only one interpretation of the Bible. There is only what Christianity believes in, and anyone who twists, manipulates, or takes passages out of context to fit their agenda is wrong. That's why I focus the blame on the people, rather than Islam. I'm not trying to argue with anything right now; just explaining why I believe what I do. Another peice of information I learned a while back that made me think about this topic the way I do is that ISIS recruits from Western countries many times may not even be Muslim, or they claimed to be, but don't know hardly anything about Islam. They're the disenfranchised people looking for somewhere to belong. It just made me believe that ISIS' appeal comes from more than just Islamic teachings or alternate interpretations. I also separate terrorism from human rights violations, mistreatment of women, and even the oppression of Christianity and other religions. Those to me seem more like power grabs and attempts to retain control for the Muslim men currently in power. Religious freedom threatens their control, as does gender equality, and more. Religion being involved in government is always bad. Government is run by self-serving, power hungry people. Anyways, that's why I feel the way I do about Islam and the Middle-East in general.

Chase* 06-09-2017 08:51 PM
The attacks that ISIS claims that they did it is pretty much fake.

I have no proof but I do know what I'm saying..

You can't go attack another country to take it over, you got to make a war INSIDE the country, then you go to the country and say you will help them and you basically take over the country and all resources.

ISIS are a group getting paid a lot, like a lot to do these terror attacks.

Why do you think they attacked UK? Do you think it's just because they wanted Ariana grandes concert to be stopped?

If so, you're dumb.

It's because of brexit. Other countries might not like what UK is doing, they're leaving Europe, they want war inside the country so they can take over UK..

America could give cash and weapons to ISIS to attack North Korea , but North Korea is just way to strict, terrorists aren't getting there, which means America will never be able to win the war against North Korea.

ISIS = Bounty hunters.

MrSimons 06-09-2017 10:40 PM
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Posted by Chase* (Post 786210)
The attacks that ISIS claims that they did it is pretty much fake.

I have no proof but I do know what I'm saying..
Good thing you started off by telling us you will be talking out of your ass.

5hift 06-09-2017 10:44 PM
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Posted by Chase* (Post 786210)
The attacks that ISIS claims that they did it is pretty much fake.

I have no proof but I do know what I'm saying..

You can't go attack another country to take it over, you got to make a war INSIDE the country, then you go to the country and say you will help them and you basically take over the country and all resources.

ISIS are a group getting paid a lot, like a lot to do these terror attacks.

Why do you think they attacked UK? Do you think it's just because they wanted Ariana grandes concert to be stopped?

If so, you're dumb.

It's because of brexit. Other countries might not like what UK is doing, they're leaving Europe, they want war inside the country so they can take over UK..

America could give cash and weapons to ISIS to attack North Korea , but North Korea is just way to strict, terrorists aren't getting there, which means America will never be able to win the war against North Korea.

ISIS = Bounty hunters.
Prove it.

Señor Albonio 06-09-2017 11:28 PM
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Posted by 5hift (Post 786228)
Prove it.
lol but he said
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I have no proof

G Fatal 06-10-2017 12:07 AM
Since Colin’s stepping off being a mod? he’s firing blanks man; keep going man you’ll maybe hit something:giggle:

now @all
I think it’s kinda waste of words if y’all don’t actually see that we created terrorist to begin with, if you have the mindset of ‘Blow them all up’ blahblahblah then you’re completely missing the point.

Thallen 06-10-2017 03:17 AM

Señor Albonio 06-10-2017 10:36 AM
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Posted by Thallen (Post 786272)
iconic

Vic 06-10-2017 03:43 PM
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Posted by Thallen (Post 786272)
hahaha

Wick 06-19-2017 09:32 PM
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Posted by Colin (Post 786162)
Criticizing a religion doesn't make you racist bimbo

You should learn to read buddy, let me give you a few examples:



“They ask you about fighting during the sacred months. Tell them, fighting therein is a great sin but a greater sin is to prevent mankind from following the way of Allah, to disbelieve in him.” 2:217



“Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out. Persecution is worse than slaughter.” 2:191



“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” 47:4



“When your Lord revealed to the angels, ‘Truly I am with you. So, keep firm those who have believed. I will strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. So, strike them at the necks and cut off their fingers.’” 8:12



“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one superior to the other and because they spend to support them from their means. Therefore, righteous women are obedient and they guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard. And, as to those women from whom you fear disobedience, give them a warning, send them to separate beds, and beat them.” 4:34



“Oh you who believe, fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you and let them find harshness in you.” 9:123



“Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow Him are merciful to one another but harsh to the disbeliever.” 48:29



“They wish that you would reject faith as they have rejected faith unless that you would all be equal. So, don’t take protectors from them unless they emigrate in the way of Allah but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them.” 4:89



"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority" 3:151



"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" 5:33

Should I keep going? These are just a few of the violent versus, haven't even gotten to the aggressive stuff regarding women/homosexuals and others aside from the quote in there about beating women who don't obey you.
If they leave you alone and offer to make peace with you, God does not allow you to harm them.” (4:90)

Force 06-19-2017 10:19 PM
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Posted by Wick (Post 787353)
If they leave you alone and offer to make peace with you, God does not allow you to harm them.” (4:90)
Is that supposed to counter all of those quotes? That's the equivalent to a school shooter telling his friend who was nice to him not to go to school tomorrow. His ideals are still f*cked up, but it's supposed to be alright because he's sparing people who were particularly nice to him?

It basically means "leave us to do whatever the hell we please, and we won't have a problem with you. Interfere, and you'll regret it." There's already this anyways, which pretty much counters your quote:

“They wish that you would reject faith as they have rejected faith unless that you would all be equal. So, don’t take protectors from them unless they emigrate in the way of Allah but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them.” 4:89

Red 06-20-2017 01:21 AM
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Posted by Wick (Post 787353)
If they leave you alone and offer to make peace with you, God does not allow you to harm them.” (4:90)
Wick, you're the same person who called me racist when I criticised some of islams core beliefs and still seem to have that ideology that "anyone who says bad things about my religion is racist"


Islam isn't a race first of all, Second of all I encourage Colin and anyone else to avoid arguing with both wick and saeed because both of these ignorant morons will get upset and continue to reply saying "you're wrong" without any context.

It's the same as jimbo vs sarah/dark if they're wrong in the fact department they will just say "you're wrong" without context.



TO BE VERY CLEAR, Nobody here is an "islamaphobe" you're just sensitive and ignorant and refuse to bring any factual or true information to an argument.


Kosiris himself lives in Saudi Arabia and hes not tossing out the race card or criticizing others, hes contributing to the conversation which is what saeed refuses to do.


Pigparty is also somebody I wouldn't waste time on, besides the whole ignorant banter he spits out he also refuses to value your opinion and hits the quote button without actually reading what you've said and understanding it. It's the same as saeed. They fail to read or even bother trying to interpret what anyone here is trying to say and just want to start drama.


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Posted by Chase* (Post 786210)
I have no proof but I do know what I'm saying..
You basically summed up everything anyone could reply to you with:
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Posted by Chase* (Post 786210)
I have no proof but I do know what I'm saying..
The problem with islam is that todays "sjw" group just refuses to read up on what they're actually "defending"

As I said 3 times over, you are replying randomly without actually trying to read or understand what colin is saying, you just have that ****ty mentality you display on iclassic and on the iclassic subforum where if you don't like what someone is saying you'll quickly whip something up and post it without thinking.

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Posted by Darkk (Post 786184)
You didn't know it was called the Quran a few days ago...
"I don't fast" - saeed

Basically lying about being muslim, or he just isn't informed into what his religion states he must do.

Pokki 06-20-2017 04:44 AM
how is this thread not closed yet my god

PigParty 06-20-2017 05:02 AM
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Posted by Red (Post 787367)

Pigparty is also somebody I wouldn't waste time on, besides the whole ignorant banter he spits out he also refuses to value your opinion and hits the quote button without actually reading what you've said and understanding it. It's the same as saeed. They fail to read or even bother trying to interpret what anyone here is trying to say and just want to start drama.
You're sorely mistaken.

I simply don't value your opinion. I don't value advice from fourth graders, so I surely won't value your thoughts.

Also, I read what I quote. However, uneducated nards like yourself are often rambling random bull****. That's the reason I don't always understand what you have to say.

Please, as I have argued before: don't overgeneralize. It's not me; it's you.

Red 06-20-2017 05:21 AM
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Posted by PigParty (Post 787399)
You're sorely mistaken.

I simply don't value your opinion. I don't value advice from fourth graders, so I surely won't value your thoughts.

Also, I read what I quote. However, uneducated nards like yourself are often rambling random bull****. That's the reason I don't always understand what you have to say.

Please, as I have argued before: don't overgeneralize. It's not me; it's you.
hahaha **** you're such a joke.

I'm sure constantly saying kosiris's opinion is wrong will help you win this argument, the dude lives in Saudi Arabia and according to you "its not that bad" please **** off back to tumblr with your level of sensitivity.

you're the definition of emotionally weak, gotta water down the truth so "oh but muh feelings" aren't hurt aye?

Ryan 06-20-2017 08:01 AM
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Posted by Pokki (Post 787396)
how is this thread not closed yet my god
another attack happens just before the thread is truly dead

Adrian 06-20-2017 08:58 AM
Humans in the air boooom booooooooom party

Wick 06-20-2017 09:05 AM
Idk why red gotta drag this old **** up even tho red had harrashed me coz of being in middle east.Anyways for those who say islam is violence just read their holy book bible there are some "Jihadi" verses there.

PigParty 06-20-2017 12:23 PM
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Posted by Red (Post 787400)
hahaha **** you're such a joke.

I'm sure constantly saying kosiris's opinion is wrong will help you win this argument, the dude lives in Saudi Arabia and according to you "its not that bad" please **** off back to tumblr with your level of sensitivity.

you're the definition of emotionally weak, gotta water down the truth so "oh but muh feelings" aren't hurt aye?
you know that paraphrasing someone (even if it's wrongly paraphrased, like it is with you) should not be in quotations. Quotations are kind of for... quotes.

But hey! You learn something new every day.

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Posted by Wick (Post 787407)
Idk why red gotta drag this old **** up even tho red had harrashed me coz of being in middle east.Anyways for those who say islam is violence just read their holy book bible there are some "Jihadi" verses there.
the fact that 2 people now have tried to get involved in this argument but don't know the name of their holy book doesn't help your argument...

But yea, just don't pay attention to red. He deserves as many seconds of your attention as he has IQ.

Saeed 06-20-2017 04:23 PM
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Posted by Red (Post 787367)
Wick, you're the same person who called me racist when I criticised some of islams core beliefs and still seem to have that ideology that "anyone who says bad things about my religion is racist"


Islam isn't a race first of all, Second of all I encourage Colin and anyone else to avoid arguing with both wick and saeed because both of these ignorant morons will get upset and continue to reply saying "you're wrong" without any context.

It's the same as jimbo vs sarah/dark if they're wrong in the fact department they will just say "you're wrong" without context.



TO BE VERY CLEAR, Nobody here is an "islamaphobe" you're just sensitive and ignorant and refuse to bring any factual or true information to an argument.


Kosiris himself lives in Saudi Arabia and hes not tossing out the race card or criticizing others, hes contributing to the conversation which is what saeed refuses to do.


Pigparty is also somebody I wouldn't waste time on, besides the whole ignorant banter he spits out he also refuses to value your opinion and hits the quote button without actually reading what you've said and understanding it. It's the same as saeed. They fail to read or even bother trying to interpret what anyone here is trying to say and just want to start drama.




You basically summed up everything anyone could reply to you with:


The problem with islam is that todays "sjw" group just refuses to read up on what they're actually "defending"

As I said 3 times over, you are replying randomly without actually trying to read or understand what colin is saying, you just have that ****ty mentality you display on iclassic and on the iclassic subforum where if you don't like what someone is saying you'll quickly whip something up and post it without thinking.



"I don't fast" - saeed

Basically lying about being muslim, or he just isn't informed into what his religion states he must do.
Why would I say they're correct when just copy paste from google after typing in the search engine 'bad quotes from the Quran' and of course google shows them what they want by taking a part from a quote which makes them miss -understood the actual meaning of the quote. I backed up my point with different quotes and I proved them wrong by showing them the actual meaning of the quotes they listed but, they decide to stick to the small part of the whole quotation which emphasises a different meaning of the original quote. Anyone in this thread can type in the search engine 'bad quotes from (e.g bible) and google will show them what they asked for but in-fact google only shows them a part of a quotation to emphasises a different meaning. I explained my religion to them, now it's their choice if they want to do further researches about the quotes they got from google.
If you search my name 'saeed' in google you'll find out it's a muslim name. I'm originally from syria but moved to the uk 5 years ago because: my dad works in the uk and staying in syria wasn't/isn't a wise decision.
I never said I don't fast? I just said I break my fasting when it's really hot on that day and If I had to go outside my house in a hot weather. If you want to increase the number of your posts without reading the previous pages, you're in the wrong thread. There is no need for me to post here anymore since both sides expressed their opinions and decided to stick to them.
'states what he must do' Again you're not doing any researches, You can break your fasting if it's harmful to you (it was very hot in that day which made me feel sick) (the other day I had exams and didn't want my fasting to effect it) But, after Ramadan finishes you have to fast the day you missed later on the year.

Hadi 06-20-2017 04:34 PM
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Posted by Ryan (Post 787404)
another terror attack happens just before the thread is truly dead
fixed

Colin 06-20-2017 04:55 PM
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Posted by Saeed (Post 78743)
staying in syria wasn't/isn't a wise decision.
Same with all other Islam dominated countries, I wonder why?

You're either stupid or extremely blind, I quote the Quran killing non-believers and you just try to justify it by saying it only applies to Muslims who leave the religion like that's ok (you"re sick and delusional)

"They wish that you would reject faith as they have rejected faith unless that you would all be equal. So, don’t take protectors from them unless they emigrate in the way of Allah but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them.” 4:89

How is this being misunderstood?

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one superior to the other and because they spend to support them from their means. Therefore, righteous women are obedient and they guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard. And, as to those women from whom you fear disobedience, give them a warning, send them to separate beds, and beat them.” 4:34

RELIGION. OF. PEACE.

Wick 06-20-2017 07:38 PM
This is being misunderstood coz you are writting those verses out of context.What it actually say is

As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).” (Quran 4:34)

They wish that you would reject faith as they have rejected faith unless that you would all be equal. So, dont take protectors from them unless they emigrate in the way of Allah but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them.(4 89)If they leave you alone and offer to make peace with you, God does not allow you to harm them.” (4:90)

Colin 06-20-2017 07:46 PM
"beat them(lightly)" yah the (lightly) part makes it completely acceptable

Still waiting for you guys to explain why Islam dominated countries are filled with apes who stone gays and treat women subhuman and breed terrorism based off Islamic belief


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