Here just bold this part anyone who matters. If you dont know me, youre not one of those people. Secondly it is a decent advantage, similar to the difference between a sega genisis and ps4 controller. Theres just more options for striking in general. Lastly, lets spar rn? I have no problem winning or losing. Its actually fun for me most of the time. Would just like another option like much of the active device sparring community or whats left of it. No still not getting it?

Right, so you can hide the shame on your precious ratio. Also thanks for quoting something i just.. Never said lol. But congratulations on post #100!

Side note for anyone wondering, i was already a decent pc player. By my experience it was blatintly obvious that device was more difficult. Mainly cuz i couldnt 1.<^> 2.<v> 3.v>^ 4.v<^. Personally, i dont belive anything easy to get is worth having.

Most of all i will not apologize for trying to give people a reason to play the game on the device it was intended for.

Short term memory loss??
Look two posts above the post, in which I quoted you.
And also its to not spar actually good sparrers and not noobs/delayers

Ya i said pc's scared of pc's not devices, just about the opposing to what you quoted. Read it again maybe?

Specifically..
So with every argument now running in circles, looks like theres no good reason to not have these rooms? Pc's generally afraid to ruin score facing other pcs, devices generally annoyed of pc's as the controls are computer biased given the unethical 12/8 advatage.

It did not cross my mind tbh but I agree, the pc players are aware that they can get easy wins from most idevice players, which is not even competition. They are against this for this reason

I continue giving you reasons and you just go "first time I've heard of NGS, must be a myth"

That's what staff needs to be focused on, not the complaints of some unknown guy claiming he's from PC graal, and (Male), regardless of whether or not those complaints are spar-skill related or not.

Never did i claim to be in male? People to whom youre explaining my claims, saw me there.. Its that place where we didn't see you lol. Im sure they have a team for that anyways, as ive been staff on every server that you know exists.. Each of the staff groups are split into subdivisions to tackle out content in a timely fashion. They definitely have the resource and players like myself willing to provide help where we can. I could litterally level a room in 30mins or make a custom tileset for the new rooms with 3 days? Its not like thy would have to throw everything aside, it already existed.

& by the repetetive very little info youve given me about NGS still not convinced its doing anything for those of us who play more independently. Sounds like you dont know much about it either tbh.

Aye, my b

for the love of god shut up!!!

No you, the internets a big place brother. I didnt tell you which threads to read.

Equality and freedom didnt give up on you ;D

Active iDev sparrers such as Sarah and Alexx(Examples from #1 and #2 on iDev leaderboard) who you claim "never log off" can just go and dominate the iDevice room anyways. The guys who actually spar PC players all the time will find players who complain like you easy, and you still won't be able to "spar people at a similar level". Those iDevice players are at a much higher level for not being afraid to face any and all opponents.

To sum up, the same skilled iDevice sparrers who spar and beat PC players regularly would dominate an iDevice room, and you'll be in the same exact position.

Gj.. Now, if you sparred or looked at my ratio you would know i clearly dont mind taking a loss or 2.. i dont run away, selective spar or am particular choosy at all.. I walk in and click sword. Being dominated by unskilled pc kids with excess control gets annoying, but like you said i know it teaches me a lot so i take the hits. Instead of running away to pc for a ratio like most did. I would love to have my ass handed to me by someone with the same controllers. So no, i feel exactly the same. Its still not an argument about skill.. Again

If sarah and alexx were smart they would continue dominating the mixed streak room to keep their skill level up. You feel?

lol @ jimbo saying I selective spar. I'm probably the only person who always tries to spar good people for pts.
Saying that I don't log off is crazy or else how am I in my 2nd Master year?

Personally I don't feel a difference between idev and pc players since I've always sparred in mixed but I think you feel all pcs are harder cause 90% of them actually speed like Carly rn.

Are you talking about yourself? You're pretty much irrelevant to spar.

I think the funniest argument from the 'SEGREGATE SPARRERS BY DEVICE!!!' side is that PC players move faster than iDevs. Just goes to show they have absolutely no idea what they're rambling about.

LOL Sarah shut up, please. You told Jarace to IP ban me, Idiot!! Of course you are not pro, your a delayer. I will tell Thall to teach how to spar! I don't know why they r talking about you when you are nobody XD. Keep traveling and get out now! #WeHateDelayers......

For someone who has claimed to been active in the spar community for years you sound really really dumb saying this.

The mixed room was always more popular even while the iDevice room existed.

If it wasn't intended to be played on a PC they would not have a whole site dedicated to hosting it, so this makes no sense.

Already covered, segregate would be to remove mixed room not give another level of opportunity. Youre talking about sarah? Your whole team cant take her most days. What are you talking about, and who is they? All devices lol.

@Colin dude read before typing.. void legit apologized for making me repeat that bs. I said its intended for device.. obviously! Notice how theres a client server exact same place dedicated to pc called Classic this is iClassic as in.. You can figure that out. Right? You act as if iClassic even allowed pc for the first year or was it 2?

...If they're unskilled, why are you getting dominated by them? That makes no sense. You're making a big deal out of these "excessive controls", but in reality it's not a big enough issue to merit them dominating you when they're unskilled as you say. If you're afraid to go head to head with a strafing opponent, then maybe adapt to it, mix up your style? That's what you do when facing different types of opponents, offensive, defensive, delayers, warpers, whatever else, you adapt like an actual skilled sparrer. Keep your distance from strafing opponents, that's all that's to it. Strafing can be easily taken advantage of if you aren't just running blindly at the opponent, letting them combo you. Get better lol.

If you don't mind taking a loss, don't run away, don't selectively spar, aren't choosy, then this thread wouldn't be a thing, now would it?

Then why don't you do that? Are you saying you aren't smart? Or you just don't want to be challenged and want easier wins for your win-loss ratio? It can't be both ways. If you're saying they should stay in the same rooms, despite being iDev, it makes it sound like you want them out of the way too. Just because you say they'd be smart to stay, it doesn't counter my argument that they can and would go dominate the iDev room. Maybe if they continuously gave you your "ass handed to you", you'd be able to see that your problem isn't actually with PC players, it's with losing in general.

Your arguments have been debunked and explained why to you. You don't have any valid reasons for re-adding a room where only certain players are allowed to spar in. That's all that's to it. You've lost the battle.

Im not even that bad at sparring, i probably beat most of those arguing here including you lol. Im just able to see problems outside of myself. This aint about me, never was. I dont have to counter your argument that has nothing to do with the issue. Youre entire argument is based on my skill level as if you even know what that is. Sarah said herself she prefers mixed. I personally am not as good against pc so would feel more fair against my own kind. The reason i keep saying me is because thats the experience i have to offer as a point of reference. There is absolutely plenty enough difference to warrant the reinstatement of these rooms 4 directions worth.

Ill also add again, youre noone whom matters. Not someone that i see spar, guild spar, develop, brand new to forums, infact why are you here making no solid points then just blerting out "i win!!!". Guess youre back to the drawing board.

I did win though.

Also, check what I bolded, that's a contradiction.

Your argument is basically "I want an iDevice room and I should get it because freedom."

People have already countered all of your arguments. The iDevice room was removed for a reason, it wasn't just done on a whim. I can go ahead and say there should be a separate room for Android players instead. Or continental rooms. Or any number of things that separate the playerbase, and no one can prove me wrong because "I should have the freedom to choose what type of players I spar with."

Its not a contradiction, i was makin the point that i can only speak for myself but i know for a fact plenty of devices whether they post here or not want this. Sure say you won all you want. The only plaque youll get is for most illiterate, do some research. Next up, none of those rooms would have any benefit outside of boosting with people that speak the same language? The benfit to device and pc rooms is equality, the freedom taken from us is a perk. But keep tryin, what else you got?

Literally been in arena for hours looking for a 'force' noones heard of him.

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Ive made any point that needs to be made. Refer to the original post if you need further reasoning, i have reworded it for those who dont get the picture. Now im gonna go back to actually playing the game. Thanks for helping me reach this months most responded to thread, when i havent made one for years! Youve all been great for helping me get my point accross positive and negative. Catch me in the arena if youd like to see my progress or hit me with a 'challenge' ;)

I mean I had to ask like 5 people if they knew what ur acc was because I never heard of you either before this, js

Find a better place to rage,

Anyway this thread is just starting to get really cringey

Edit: Paddie is crying her ass off after losing 7-1 in spar against me

That's happen when dumb people like you start posting here. No one wants to read your vomit post lol.

He used to play actively during 2012ish and was a Zanza member iirc. He then became staff, gave hats to his friends (especially the 5k sparring hat) and eventually got fired for it. Additionally, they took around 40-50k of his PKs away due to boosting. He somewhat went inactive, came around 2014 back just to make hat chasers join his guild and reach 1k.

(I might be wrong about his staff removal)

Oh that's all I needed for this, ty

How about you take your own advice????

I'm not addressing anything about iDevices.

You said PC sparrers are afraid to spar each other and that's why they don't want an iDevice room (because then iDevices would use them in your theory), I simply pointed out the fact that while the iDevice room did exist the MIXED room was still always more active because it was and always has been filled with PC sparrers who spar each other.

People don't support this because the difference isn't big enough to warrant the need of separate spar rooms not because they are 'afraid' that's just you being upset and running your mouth because it won't happen.

Two big flaws with iDevice as well:

1) Doesn't allow Android support.
2) You can spar in the iDevice room using a keyboard/controller hooked up to your iDevice.

When you and your VPN buddy Saeed stop whining and lying about Sarah destroying all of you then you can make comments like this.

I agree, Bimbo (sorry I mean Jimbo**) are just here writing arguments based on their feelings.

Who is ashur lol obviously not from client

Although fp4 not gonna change anything but The more attention you give to irrelevant players who don't even spar the worse the thread gets. @ Sarah I rather spar a speeder than sparring a 10s delayer.

You don't need to be a genius to see that she is manipulating the delay. Really, just spar her, win a few times and you will notice what she does when she pauses.

Cool, your opinion is appreciated

LMAO!!!! When did i spar you? I don't spar anymore, big idiot! You are wrong if you think im going to waste my time sparring. From now on, Graal Classic is just a social game.

Note: I just want rekt Thallen's ass at Box Fort when the new guild system start.

Ok I will calm down cause I don't want fulgore to call me bully again! Fulgo bro, don't hurt me with those words.

Kinda weird how Saeed sucks up to Jimbo and devotes so much time into defending him. Considering he scapegoated Saeed for costing him a GST and consequently kicked him from Male (even though I did flaw Saeed lol.) Sounds like a good friend

probably the longest thread about nothing ever, 9 pages of "what the hell am i reading"

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Aww is it because he hurt your feelings

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we all know the story behind those pics man you fool nobody

Pretty sure we've covered this, but I asked in front of my GST members (on that guild chat.) *Posts photo of Jimbo offering me to join*

Whatever lol. I obviously wanted to join Jimbo's team, a team that will never win

sarah working on her masters while jumbo sitting at home leeching off his mother lol why even bother arguing

jimbo and rexx professional world adventurers, which country you two bimbos going to visit next time

Says this kid that stole half my graphics, only wore a hat that i made and oh ya.. Started in 2012. So perfect source to believe, right? About 5% of this story is true, ya i gave out hats, to everyone. Hats that were dissapproved, personal greedy staff hats, never the 6k hat that was matts thing. We did upwards 15 events a day between the 2 of us and xor hated it! I worked many servers post this event including iclassic, again. And try all of my stats were worked for and xor took them out of a child like rage when he knows i didnt have "edit player attributes" powers, never had. Thanks for the input tho. This was literally 5 years ago.

The only reason i took the time to write this is to defend myself from people trying to slander my name yet again. Ive done nothing but contribute to the graal community for half of my life. Im talking events, ganis, heaps of graphics, levels and sparred, pk'd & bk'd as if it were my only goal at times. Everyone makes mistakes.. Get over it. At least i do and have done something productive.

I never did GFX but okay. And if I recall correctly, you gave out hats to your friends only. And your Xor part doesn't even make sense at all.

I just told a player a little bit more about you since he doesn't know you. Oh and it's not slander if it's true.

the only advantage PC players have over idev members is experience. They know how they spar, and they can predict what's coming next, want to get better? Spar more pcs so you are expiereced with there style.

This is the same concept with delay, there is no advantage with delay, delayers have to hit just as early as Americans have too, this just comes down to lack of experience, if you can't spar delayers you will lose and blame there delay as a reason as to why you've lost.

Recap: get good

so you aren't from client graal?

I stated that he started in 2012.. I had already worked for multiple servers and played the game for 8+ years at this point.

Delay is a symptom of a slower or unhealthy connection? Having more controls is actually a physical difference in strategical capability. Therefor giving people with less experience an upperhand. I know youre half decent but ill spar you right now? Once again, im not that bad nor afraid to spar anyone. Lack of experience as in my 13000 non-selective spars? (Still not counting the thousands xor stole)

you just suck in general from what I read, so yea maybe go and spar more and stop complaining.

Dude jump on device, i doubt you can even touch me. The only complaint i made was about equality. 3000-1000 on pc is like 2 weeks and with little effort, maybe you should go spar before talkin.

my quote wasn't directed towards you personally it was meant for the playerbase who thinks being less experienced in the field of spar is a disadvantage.

And thank you for proofing my point saying "therefore giving people with less experience an upper hand" this quote obviously shows you think being less experienced is a disadvantage. so I see no other reason as to why I should continue!

I was not comparing delay and pc sparrers as the same. There obviously different, I was stating that the argument that pc's have an advantage is similar to the argument that delay has an advantage. It comes down to lack of experience.

13k total spars mean nothing, over 200 people easily have over 13k spars yet there are barely 20 sparrers dominating the arena frequently. And to put in account your inactivity in spar (when was the last time you actually sparred actively since 3 weeks ago) is also a reason as to why you need to become more experienced and understand the way people spar. I have that's why I have a solid ratio, not because I delay but because I know where people will generally move around 2-3seconds ahead of time. Which comes from experience

Most of what you said is just repeated bs.

3 weeks? Heres my log from may 1st..
600-248
700-330
800-415
900-498
almost 8k finally!!

No shame, non-selective, all iphone5se, plenty of experience, past few months ive been quite active. Only had quit for 8 months In the first place. Catch me in the main streak room, only place ill be til the rooms are reinstated.

Your GS buddies /friends delay the same???

I love how Ashur keeps telling multiple experienced sparrers that they should spar more because he doesn't see them.

I wonder if the real reason is something else here, since none of us even knew who this was.

:thinking:

Only 3 random idlers claim to not know me, and whats sad is i know 2 of those 3 including you, sitting around most the time. so youre hacks for bsing on the forums instead of offering valid/ debatable material that i can disprove further.

*posts reply explaining how you are wrong* "what you said is just repeated bs"
i explained what the only possible advantage in spar there is, i explained how 13k total spars is no way considered experienced (especially with those wins being spread out for multiple years) and your response is i have just repeated bs?

and for some reason i cant find you on the top 50 spar leader boards for this season? that seems a bit odd for someone who is so experienced at spar.
in addition to that i think i have seen you spar twice, and i was playing very actively these past weeks.

but hey probably a coincidence right???


edit: just checked and you arent even in the top 50 IDEV sparrers....and the #50 idev sparrer has only 145 wins, which means you have less then that?? im gonna assume your active on an alt right? how else would you be so experienced at spar!