Reading spar threads is like watching Maury without the DNA testing and the babies. We need like someone to come out from behind stage carrying a giant yellow envelope then going up to people all like: You...are NOT the lagger! Then everyone will lose their ****, and it'll be over. Close thread.

Lol at Sarah being one of the "top 5 best sparrers recently" and I agree with all the things Comyt said.

Sarah, Abood and Jack Sparrow needs to realize that their delay isn't fair for the sparring community

tried explaining this numerous times but all logic in spar threads is pretty much overlooked
probably because only 10% of the people in these threads actually understand sparring

I didn't know if you were saying, "blink always behaves the same, every time", as something that is widely misunderstood, or if you were saying it as a fact (if that makes sense). Anyways, Dusty's statement says that delay (blink) is indeed not the same for everyone. However, Winter, I do agree at the point where you say that dealing with delay can be a matter of trial and error. It would be nice if hit delay would not be such an issue on Classic, of course. Especially guild spar when there are multiple opponents delaying.

dude
delay is not blink
you guys are hopeless

gonna torture myself and explain this **** one more time to you guys
blink: a term sparrers use to describe the period of invincibility after you are hit, can be manipulated and made use of in many different ways so that you are effectively unhittable for up to 2 seconds (if your framerate is stable) if you know what you're doing
delay: someone who has a consistently high ping to the server and thus sends/receives data to the server slower, when you spar them you have to basically attempt to hit them where you think they'll be after some certain amount of time based on how high their ping is

Dusty will certainly verify that any players who live in Japan, or delay for any other reason, see every other sparrer they spar against as if they delay
not going to explain to anyone why that is because I'm honestly bored of repeating myself and I'm essentially helping a bunch of people understand something when all they do is rage at me afterwards

I'd love to see you guys play a game that actually requires a significant account of mechanical skill like LoL or Dota 2
understanding Graal's hit detection really isn't even a fifth of how complicated you guys are making it
imagine these guys trying to do animation cancelling or orb walk

Can't say I've read every post in this thread, but some people seem to be saying that players manipulate their device/browser/whatever they play on to lower their framerate while sparring so that they blink longer? That would be pretty amusing if true, as lowering framerate also means you move slower. Having 4 seconds of blink but also moving half the speed of your opponent isn't going to lead to good things for you.

You misunderstood me. Dusty pointed out that having a decreased framerate can affect the length of time it takes for your client to register your character being hit by a sword. I explained that every blink acts the same after the hit is already registered. That is, it is caused by the same input, has a given length of time before it wears off, and is affected by the same exceptions that end blink early or lengthen it due to a framerate drop.

Although, the length of time the blink lasts may very well be linked to Dusty's explanation of chat blocking. We may measure this time span in seconds, but it doesn't matter to the computer because it measures the length of time in frames. I haven't really noticed this because I don't really get around Graal often enough to see any chat blocking anymore. But this is a very good point. So, if a computer is dropping frames for some reason, the hit detection recovery will seem to be lengthened in seconds, but like I said, the computer will carry out the same command every time, and actually just take longer for the frames to show up. The frames take longer on a slower machine, so the game will think everything is running correctly while human beings see an expanded time frame for the blink.

This is very good to know when you spar someone who skips frames, which can be caused by a number of things, but still can achieve a similar reaction from the computer. We just see it differently. Good knowledge to know that a player like that may have a frame issue that causes irregularities. Shouldn't be too hard to make amends.

It may also do some good to make sure people know that latency and framerate drops can seem similar, but they are not the same thing. Sometimes they are not even related.

yes
exactly
therefore, being able to blink longer than 2 seconds is literally a disadvantage
that **** is only helpful when you're blocking at towers or trying to win Fallout

No, you only ever rant about the theory behind lag because "lag" is often overused for the term "blink,--"

-- which you claim is equal for everyone, which Dusty (whom you are agreeing with) has just disproved.

I think you may have slightly misunderstood Dusty's evaluation. He's speaking in terms of the computer, of course.

Technically speaking, the number number of frames the blink lasts stays the same for everyone. It just depends on how well the data is sent to the server, and that controls how we see it.

It's not uncommon for people to be confused/lead astray because of the vagueness the term "lag" has taken on nowadays. It's used interchangeably for framerate drops and connection latency, which causes issues when you're specifically trying to discuss one or the other.

The laggers just want an excuse lol. Man I know some people can't control it, but get over it. It's pretty idiotic to say lag is the same on both sides lol.

I think we should have a new form of transportation on Graal. A short bus that drives all the Enguard Tards to the battle arena!

I hope at this point you're just trying to troll and aren't serious. Or can you seriously not comprehend what other people have to say?

Want to be the bus driver for the short bus?

I think everyone missed his post. i Made it bigger yo. I think we can all learn from this guy.

Yet another spar thread that is going in circles. I think people just like arguing with each other.

This loser named Thallen Enguard is gonna brag so much. But he's a epic loser that boosted 20000 times.

please quit hurting my feeling like this
but nah, I started playing actively after boosting stopped being a real thing
props to all of those guys who pause-boosted for days at Sardon's and Angel Clan and still have weak ratios though
we don't have to name names

no need to really
everyone knows which sparrers slowed down when you could no longer pause-boost on the same IP at obscure spars like at Sardon's then transfer accounts
check the books at the library in the Battle Arena sometime and you'll find a lot of them, it's not really a secret

people can just look at numbers and do the math if they want
is it even realistic that someone is going to spar 80 times per day for 2 years straight before a streak room existed and when queues would more frequently reach 10+

it's definitely possible, but the funny thing is those same people would try to come into this thread and call other people losers
draw your own conclusions and keep in mind that it's usually the people who pretend to care the least that care the most

forget what i said, the app got removed from the appstore. Continue this thread...
To be honest im not really bothered by boosters. I'm more upset at the people who stalk noobs or the non-experienced population for easy wins. I know quite a few "pros" who rely on this...pretty much every night i see the same people sparring noobs and ****.

i can only think of one booster. I'm sure he doesn't deny or confirm his boosting reputation and im pretty sure that im one of the few who knows about it. He's the only one who annoys me because he always pretends that he's the ****. He's good but primarily only because he laggs. This is factual proof btw, everyone knows he laggs.

edit:

he boosts so smoothly. I've seen him do it with 4-5 people in the same room. It's kind of hard to explain by word but if someone is really keen on learning just feel free to ask for my Skype name. He's like the Heisenberg of Graal.

incorrect
the truth is that you have no idea how blink works and how to use it to your advantage
just being honest, it's not by the grace of some higher power that people can blink longer than you

This.

aw @ Aran's post being deleted
did a great job of putting the "my life is so great because I don't spar" thing into perspective
very sad that people are so insecure that they drag the thread down that path

who would check someones profile everyday and write down the persons spar wins for two years (you're not being counted)?

Wow. Just wow.

Okay, I didn't feel like reading the whole thread because **** that, so let that be a warning if I say anything that's already been said.

It sounds like you newbs are getting lag and blink mixed up. The term blink refers to the intended moment of invulnerability after being hit. Blink lasts longer if you stand still after being hit. You can run in a single direction while invulnerable, but for a shorter duration of invulnerability than standing still. If standing still, changing gani will end blink. If moving, changing directions or changing gani will end blink. Learn how to use blink and you'll probably win more often and have ******s call you a lagger.

On the right track, but incorrect. :)

wtf my whole life has been a lie

its okay i'm here for you

yeah
how is it actually possible for someone to be that stupid

not everything in there is 100% accurate but at least it explains the mechanics to some degree, and it's the best explanation anyone here is going to get
I've lost all motivation to explain things and give tips regarding sparring on this forum because of the attitudes, not a big fan of helping people who don't deserve it

Spirited Away<33

I was never a sparrer and my understanding of how blink works is from a brief explanation I was given several years ago. Either of you care to explain?

Blink is when your eye balls get stressed out because it's been open for so long and then your eye lids close which is called "blink". Normally your brain would normally blink for you so your eyes would never get stressed out and sting unless purposely you keep your eye lids open

yours was better than 99% of what other players seem to be able to grasp
Shannon can hand out free spar tips if she wants, I've lost interest in that

Why would anyone ask Shannon for anything? And I don't want sparring tip; I don't spar. I want to know for the sake of knowing.

wow rude

Fine. I'll ask Shannon, get an "IDFK," and continue to not know.

that's me tho

Oh, I apologize for the misunderstanding. Forgot that your name was Shannon. Thought he was referring to this'n.

aw i love her its cool cool

Cant we all just get along?

that's impossible for mostly every online game. since there is a competition, people will always rage, cry or look for excuses.

I have never seen so much rage contained into just 1 thread. argueing over what the different types of lag are and who lags/spar cheats the most. kinda silly imo

this thread became really stupid really quick as new people came in. but yeah, still, i think sparring is pretty dead when ijesus' status is asking "wheres all the real sparrers at" and people are able to streak 48 in the "main streak room" off of negative ratios before i had to end it in one quick spar. not naming any names. you shouldnt be able to spar over 40 times without a positive ratio noticing you boosting off of noobs, but that is what it has come to. sparring is dead. the end.

I'll clarify since Comyt is shy when it comes to taking credit for one of his greatest accomplishments: he queued and beat me in a spar by 0.5, immediately unqueued afterwards and sat and watched me spar for 30 minutes while chatting and gossiping like a high school girl, then made a status and bumped an already-dead forum thread bragging about it

I'm about 99% sure none of you care at all, but make sure you guys congratulate him because that's the premise of that desperate post
I'm truly convinced that he may actually be the greatest sparrer of all-time after witnessing this, and in my 2495 other losses I've never experienced such defeat

But then I remember beating him 15-3 in a series and realize that he'll never be stupid enough to series me again and I come back to my senses and continue having fun while sparring

Come spar if you're reading this on Saturday morning because the arena is active right now
If there are any new sparrers who are active and have a cool personality, you can send me an in-game PM (or probably even David) and I can help you understand some stuff, overcome the initial learning curve, and maybe become a good sparrer

hey didnt brag when i beat you by 2.5 the other day but well there it is now. and dont lie to the negative ratios on this forum to get more of them to spar you, the arena is not active unless you consider a boosting paradise active.

by the way, i would unqueue during a streak if everyone left in the room was negative, but go ahead and write statuses calling me a booster when you keep going and you haven't been here long enough to know that i've been legitimate.

if you really want to turn the thread into a "I am the best sparrer on the planet" contest then that's really boring to me

if it makes you stop spamming this thread searching for praise and validation though, you can log on right now, I'll find someone who can record it, we'll series, and we'll post the resulting video here

it's more of a "you're overrated by yourself with a basic head-on strategy and should stop lying to people that sparring is active when it is only you sparring a bunch of negative ratios" thread that i'm going for. i'm on topic. sparring is dead. you're off topic even after complaining with "that's not what this thread is about" spam earlier when you were losing arguments to people you're calling stupid in your signature.