Hmm i just noticed as well. Back when GST was newer, hats looked awesome, US won every time. Now, US doesnt participate so other guilds win, hats look like garbage.
and they say GST isnt rigged!

was kidding with this post BTW, FP4 generally acts quickly on any suggestion that seems helpful and is presented well

there's a likelihood that he wants this happen but just doesn't have the graphics available for it (I can't speak for him though)

only so many good hats

and theres still a few on pc servers that would be neat, but the new gfx team would rather create masterpieces

...we didn't have people make us fancy hats so we could win and take them. Keep believing it though, I love folks who are convinced there's some kind of conspiracy.

lol

Calm down. It was only joke.
But the part about recent crappy hats is true.

In addition to being in favor of bringing hats for spar and pk back (It's obvious why you should, this coming from someone with less than 2000 spar wins and 20000 pks to fight for the low stat community), I'm also in favor of bringing old hats back as was mentioned. Unsure if this fits in the thread, but it's the closest one that is fitting. Memento Mori hat, many US hats, and other hats I've seen on UN would make for fantastic hat options for both this proposed idea, and as GST hats like before.

I respectfully disagree. I'm not in favor of allowing the prizes of past winners to become prizes for other teams as well. I speak for my team's accomplishments, but I would like to assume that many other GST winners would also feel like they'd be stripped of their medals, or so to speak. The novelty of a hat that only you and your friends sport around Graal is rather priceless, as experienced by many via the 1000 hour tower hats. Its a one-of-a-kind deal upfront, and from my perspective, I think it should stay that way.

GST hats are guild-specific. Not gonna happen.
Scavenging through UN? Not sure if I agree or disagree. I hate seeing Era noobs wearing well-made hats and heads that were made for Classic; Then again, UN is long dead, so idk

Well there's already been a load of hats on iClassic that first appeared on UN, so I guess reaching out and borrowing some more doesn't feel like such a crazy thing to do. I mean its all part of the same game, right? Hell, there are even a bunch of old original Classic hats that haven't been used yet. Maybe someone should put together a folder of possible (existing) hats that would be coveted as prizes.

Just for reference, can someone please post these older hats onto this thread so we can see the kind of hats you guys like? I'm not sure if they can be added as they are, but it would certainly benefit in terms of seeing the kind of hats people like.

I really don't see the point of spar hats. It would just lead to more people qqing, and another example of the more you no-life the more you get rewarded. I'm sorry but this might disappoint some of you guys but we have school/work to go to we don't have time to get 10k spar wins or something like the minority of people that sit in their computer chair all day smashing keys.

I'm being hats should be a reward for something remarkable. 1k Towering takes in team work, and just for you to co-exist with other people on the journey that will take months. Winning GST takes a group of people who build chemistry and team work. Man even 1v1 spar tournament would make more sense out of a hat, but you have people that just no-life and get rewarded? Just sucks.I'm sorry if some of you take this to the heart but this is just my opinion, being a no-life should not be rewarded in my opinion.

"1k towering hat"
>being a no-life should not be rewarded


Why should tower people get rewards while Sparrers don't? We don't no-life or spar all day for wins either, having 10k wins takes hell of a lot more work than 1k hours on a tower as well so sparrers deserve some sort of reward.

also GST occurs once every 3 months where as towers are all year around so only getting hat through GST isn't really fair especially when it's the same people usually

Tower is always competitive. Sparrers you can just boost of an account in PC Room which rarely has people in it (I've seen it been done) and just camp in spar rooms. Yet again Towering you rely on other people so you can do school/work stuff and then it gets contributed if you are still in the guild where as for sparring whoever stays on the most gets rewarded? Just doesn't seem legit. The only thing I agree is with the 1v1 spar tourney the rest is just nonsense (my opinion)

Towering is noob recruiting and people joining guilds with 600+ hours getting hat and repeating the process, boosting on PC room is easily detectable and people rarely ever do it. Anyone who manages to get 10,000 wins is clearly not a booster and if they were they would be known for it, the point is people who spar should be rewarded for doing something they love just like people who tower.

You are comparing an illegal and uncommon activity of sparring to the legal and common activity of tower taking.

Another point being towering is mainly for hats whereas people who are serious about spar could care less about a 10k hat and would never boost to obtain it as they want to have good reputation, the hat is just a nice bonus to represent achieving something not many people do.

give the unchosen GST hats to the #1 players on the respective leaderboards every season

The same few people are always at the top. Besides the fact that the unchosen hat is probably trash, this is a completely different concept from the rest of the thread. Moving from "give everyone with 'x' wins a hat" to "give only #1 at hat every 3mo" is not going to bring more people to the spar community.

we're on page 12, there's nothing left to say that can express why the spar/PK hats is a good idea that hasn't already been said - I just didn't want to bump the new leaderboard thread because it isn't active

and by the way
the worst supporting argument ever on why to or why not to do something
the idea is that incentivizing it might encourage others to get to the top

we already know that in every thread regarding incentivization of sparring, PKing, or towering that you or that other guy is going to post "NO DON'T DO THAT" so I don't even understand why you guys come back to the thread to repeat it over and over

I disagree. I feel like add milestones like this encourages people to go out and participate in something in graal rather than just sit around graal city trying to rp :rolleyes:

Just going to say I'm not a fan of waiting so long to spar (usually in main spar room) because the queues get packed up later on int he day, and when I go to Quick Spar room I wait like 5minutes just to spar a negative rate sparrer who probably afk's alot. I'm sorry I am not prepared to wait x2 the time for the exact same thing just for a Hat. However if we implemented a spar queue which has been asked for many times maybe I won't have to wait 5mins just to spar someone with like 20 wins and 300 losses (just an example not accurate)

If they add this I will play again.
Especially if they add Dave Mercy's giant crown I will do whatever it takes!

I didn't mean old GST hats that were used and given to other teams when I said that, I apologize if it sounded that way. What I meant to say by "old hats" was hats on UN or hats from other servers that havn't been placed in classic yet. I can think of a few from UN that would be nice hats. As far as UN players getting mad, I'm sure many of these hats could be obtained fairly easily (although I'm not sure as I don't play UN or ever really have).

Youre original argument was for more to just participate, not make it to the top of the boards. Or were you expecting graal city's role players to be able to take your spot?

Most noob guilds dont join GSTs for the winners hats, they join for item in the prize room that everyone gets (pays for..) (besides the fact its a fun event that only happens 4x /year).

Conclusion being: the original idea of giving a standard hat to every one that gets 'x' spar/pk/bk is a much better idea than only rewarding #1 for the season; even though i dont agree with either.

hat2012
hat22214
hat943939237
hat50250
hat2017
hat6923
hat182

are ones I found when looking through some hats in graal folders. As for a new hat, I think an animated gif rainbow(or any rotation of colors) nose (like the clown noses) would make for a GST hat that would be chosen. Just a thought I had.

I could literally talk to people like Vaazk, Ashur, Ezio, Kodak, etc. and get 20 hats put together for spar/PK milestones if that's what is preventing this from happening
I'm sure they'd want the hats or some sort of other compensation for their work, but yeah

if I had my way though, it'd be done like this: there is some place that you go to on the map where you can see the spar/PK hats on display, and you can also redeem them by clicking on them when you have the required PKs or wins
each hat comes in 3 different colors that the player can select 1 of, so that it gives players a little bit of customization and variety instead of, "yeah, I got that 20k spar wins hat that everyone else has"

that's me being insanely optimistic though
at this point though, I'd be happy with the bare minimum of getting this done because all I really care about is that more people will participate in sparring/PKing and it'll make the game a bit more fun for a while

I think you should be able to buy pks and spar wins so you can be pro without being skillful like Thallen and FreakyTree and Colin

I have no idea what other issue they're working on that could possibly be more productive than this.

He's an noob

I dont think my choice will be the right but i think thallen have right, i was not for this idea but the new hat system of tower was uptated and some people Will stop tower because they just do it for hats, also they Will just afk at graalcity because they dont got motivation

If people quit towering because they cant compromise for a .png hat, the towering community must be more sad and pathetic than I thought.

it's not even the hat, it's anything
even if it was a little number in your profile that incremented and said "TOWER GUILDS COMPLETED: 1"

it's just human nature, at least for gamers, to want some sort of badge for things that they've achieved
I don't even wear my hats from tower guilds and I have 4 of them, but it's cool for me to have just to show off and remember the guild by

you and I both know that if they added hats for sparring and PKing, it'd bring more activity to both
the PKing part would indirectly affect towering as well, maybe it'd make towers a little more of a challenge by spawning a few new tower/PK guilds

Not sure exactly how to put/explain this idea but...

Milestones: every 1k spar, 10k pk, uhhhh 15k bk? And whatever other stat ya want to add.

Rewards: you get a token for each milestone you get

Rewards uses: make a new shop that can only be entered with a token. Inside the shop will be old/ new items, hats, mounts, etc. They can be sold at 500-2500 each(seems like a fair price?). limit 10-15 items to the shop and change the inventory every other week(or weekly?). All items should be allowed in the shop with the exception of certain guild(nal, com, cxe, hk, etc.) and gst hats.

In regards to spar hats of any sort (non-customized):

It is obvious that many players would like to see well-made, older, existing hats from PC servers (UN, namely) as prizes for iClassic, and I agree to a point, but I think it is also important to remember that the GFX team on this server is given a job of creating individual masterpieces to use as prizes. Sure, older hats may be really neat rewards, but why take that opportunity away from players that were literally hired to fulfill that commitment? Any argument past there will need to shed light on higher administration. (Are you not a fan of the current images produced by staff? Be vocal to those who matter.)

Again, not taking a side, but rather attempting to do justice for both sides. Very thankful for all staff members who take the time to create something for others to enjoy.

NO. They are not bringing back the token shop. And you cant change the inventory for milestone stuff. If theres going to be a reward, it will be standardized.

Wow. That was out there.And why aren't they bringing it back? Why shouldn't they?

you greedy bastard, why can't you just spar4fun!

i didnt think it was possible to go any lower than what they already are :D:P

There should be a hall of fame like Pokemon and it shows the guild and the people in the guild when it hits a certain milestone as well as the subs because hall of fames B)

is that supposed to be caps is it a noun if it doesnt exist per se

He's already made it quite clear he has no interest in the hats for himself.He, like many others, just want to make pk and spar more active to bring in some new competition because the same old same old gets boring.

bored of Graal, but someone Kik/Skype me if this ends up happening

They already have that in the library basically, just has a more organized than what you portrayed.. there.

Loving how true this is

Haven't heard word from Anyone about this. Is it actually being worked on or a forgotten cause?

I'm pretty sure if they were planning on adding this it would've been done by now...

I haven't forgot, I'd just rather have it be part of a bigger update.

I love you fp4

Could this "bigger update" include a town release? :smile:

We all know "big" Graal updates have happened about 8 times in 5 years. So put the kettle on, switch on the TV and wait.
Really want this to be added sooner rather than later, as small things at a time make more fun than everything at once. Please reconsider fp4!